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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2022 8:39:36 GMT
Your right he wasn’t I actually thought he did ok. He just seems to run too quick with the ball for his ability and tends to overrun it and gets it nicked off him often which is dangerous. This is it, bombing forward is fine when passes are accurate, but too often today the players weren't on the same wavelength and possession was lost with Clarke in advanced positions. Gibbons was also guilty of leaving a lot of space at times, there was one instance in the 2nd half where the FGR player was in acres on the left side and they should have scored from it. When the FGR wingbacks pushed on they stayed very wide, however full backs are taught not to go and stand on that winger whos furthest away from the ball, why... because if he does that then he leaves a big gap between himself and the centre half for the opposition midfielders to run into. Its something that drilled into fullbacks from academy level. They would rather defend a potential cross than leave a huge hole between the full back and centre half. Thats why you'll see wingers hugging the touchline and then they have a bit more space when the ball eventually gets switched to them. One thing I've noticed with our tactics at the back in pre-season and yesterday wad that when we get the ball both full backs peel off and go high and wide, but when the opposition have the ball the full backs tuck in and go very narrow with the centre halves, and because of that its another factor why we could also leave wingers with a bit more space out wide. But that defensive shape without the ball must be whats drilled in to them at training. I said at half time that our left hand side lacked any kind of relationship, for the first 20 minutes Clarke was trying to do it on his own without any real link up play with Collins. Hes a much more direct kind of full back and after that opening 30 mins I felt like we faded as a creative outlet down that side. But no way was he as bad as JB was making out. I thought it was a big contrast in style to the other side of the pitch though, Gibbons looks like the kind of player who likes to link up with his winger and make little runs to try and get into space or release others into space too. It didn't come off all the time but you can see what him and Anderson are trying to do. I personally thought it was a good debut from him, made a couple of chances second half with balls in to the box and he linked well with the players around him, he also put in a couple of vital blocks where he was following up their shots. So I agree with other posters who think he looks like a good signing. Out of the 2 centre halves I thought that Connoly had a worse game than Hoole, but didn't someone say he was supposedly ill? Matt was targeting Hoole all game and I'd say won the majority of their battles, but Hoole did alright considering. The biggest concern was midfield, I know we down to bare bones but Westbrooke was anonymous all game, Rossiter looked like a player who hadn't played much as he seemed off the pace and was getting caught on the ball. Evans also struggled to get in to it and didn't really offer what we know he can. We got a bit overrun and its unusual to see teams being able to run at our back 4 unopposed, but hopefully when Finlay and Coutts are back that will be rectified. I must admit though when JB made the subs I thought we were going to go with wing backs to match them. Saunders made a big difference with his pace, I think super sub will be his role this season. Marquis didn't really do a lot, but then again didn't get much service either. Overall very disappointing to lose it. I thought we'd hang on for a point or maybe nick a winner with the pressure we had late on. But no way was their winner a shot, I thought he was just swinging it in to the box. Some positives to take, but it definitely reinforces JB's comments that we need more bodies in.
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Jul 31, 2022 8:40:23 GMT
6/7 new players
CB - O’brian and/or Tizzard LB - ? CM - McCormick LW - Thomas RW - ? ST - ?
Hopefully with our success of developing Anderson, Taylor and Connolly, clubs will look favourably on us and we’ll pick up some other gems nobody has heard of again.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jul 31, 2022 8:47:11 GMT
I will say re Westbrooke, I was at Stoke friendly and thought he had a good game. Mainly because of his off the ball performance.... tackling, tracking simple and then, ball to feet....I know it's only a friendly, but it appears he has had a decent pre season, and that's what friendlies are for. Kinda earned back his position.
I don't blame JAB turning to him in absence of others, and as he reiterated in his interview, it gives opportunity to someone else....last season hoole, Connor Taylor, even Spence took their opportunities well .... It appears unanimously Westy didn't, but that's football. Others didn't too...
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jul 31, 2022 9:48:06 GMT
I do think their winner was a bit of a fluke (i.e a cross) but FGR fully deserved their three points, for me.
In the first half alone they could and probably should have had 3 or 4. They had two one-on-ones, hit the inside of the post and had one cleared off the line. They were much more effective and threatening with their possession than we were IMO.
Lots to work on and lots to do in the window, but better to see these flaws now when there’s still 6/7 incomings to go rather than once the window’s shut and all business is done.
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Post by playtowin on Jul 31, 2022 10:34:37 GMT
I think criticism of Trevor Clarke is harsh to be honest, as others said was only just given a new contract. Nowhere near worst player in the 11 today,. For me the midfield was all over the place and reason for the defeat, they were unable to get the ball down and take control of the game and offered very little. Rossiter, Westbrooke and Evans JB may have had the idea Nick Anderton would have been his first choice with TC complimenting the position. (?) Therefore,he wasnt expecting TC to be starting this game .
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 31, 2022 10:47:35 GMT
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Post by playtowin on Jul 31, 2022 10:55:55 GMT
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 31, 2022 11:39:11 GMT
Some guy called for Westbrooke to be arrested 🤣 That’s a reasoned post tho. No it's not,we're one game in and what last year should have taught us it ain't over til the last kick of the season.
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Post by dragonfly on Jul 31, 2022 12:05:22 GMT
What a complete farce these two jerks and many other so called Men have ruined the Game with their petulant and infantile behaviour. I have long since grown sick of it all. The true Game of football now belongs to the Ladies and they deserve it.
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Post by dudelebowski on Jul 31, 2022 12:14:45 GMT
What a complete farce these two jerks and many other so called Men have ruined the Game with their petulant and infantile behaviour. I have long since grown sick of it all. The true Game of football now belongs to the Ladies and they deserve it. Having watched majority of the Womens Euro it’s hard to disagree.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jul 31, 2022 12:28:55 GMT
I said the same thing last night, the obvious one was to bring on Whelan for Marquis, I sense we'd all now be content with a point. Next week now becomes a game we can't afford to lose.No it doesn't, suck it in, buy your ticket tomorrow for Barnsley at Oakwell, get behind the boys, Joey knows what is needed, and has already said he will bring in probably 5/6 more players before the end of August, and we will be competitive. Put Coutts and Finley back in the side and its already a different team.
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Post by peterparker on Jul 31, 2022 12:33:46 GMT
I think criticism of Trevor Clarke is harsh to be honest, as others said was only just given a new contract. Nowhere near worst player in the 11 today,. For me the midfield was all over the place and reason for the defeat, they were unable to get the ball down and take control of the game and offered very little. Rossiter, Westbrooke and Evans JB may have had the idea Nick Anderton would have been his first choice with TC complimenting the position. (?) Therefore,he wasnt expecting TC to be starting this game . If he doesnt think TC isnt good enough to cover, than he should t have given him a contract. Now maybe Barton wont want him to be 1st choice all season and may want a signing, but if he cant trust him to cover for a game or two that is on the manager
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Post by oldie on Jul 31, 2022 12:45:48 GMT
JB may have had the idea Nick Anderton would have been his first choice with TC complimenting the position. (?) Therefore,he wasnt expecting TC to be starting this game . If he doesnt think TC isnt good enough to cover, than he should t have given him a contract. Now maybe Barton wont want him to be 1st choice all season and may want a signing, but if he cant trust him to cover for a game or two that is on the manager Precisely
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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 31, 2022 12:51:59 GMT
Absolutely deserved and correct reffing here. All this pathetic simulation needs to be stamped out.
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Post by Big Jock on Jul 31, 2022 13:06:42 GMT
Absolutely deserved and correct reffing here. All this pathetic simulation needs to be stamped out. Agreed 81, an talking of pussies, Did ye know th clitoris has 8,000 nerve endings an still isn't as sensitive as Mo Salah's legs in a penalty box!
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Post by playtowin on Jul 31, 2022 13:21:10 GMT
JB may have had the idea Nick Anderton would have been his first choice with TC complimenting the position. (?) Therefore,he wasnt expecting TC to be starting this game . If he doesnt think TC isnt good enough to cover, than he should t have given him a contract. Now maybe Barton wont want him to be 1st choice all season and may want a signing, but if he cant trust him to cover for a game or two that is on the manager You aim to start with your best 11. TC isnt covering though is he. He is the only choice. Which JB said meant they had a bad summer signing window. As the context was if he had been told at the end of last season...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2022 13:42:54 GMT
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Post by oldie on Jul 31, 2022 13:48:11 GMT
If he doesnt think TC isnt good enough to cover, than he should t have given him a contract. Now maybe Barton wont want him to be 1st choice all season and may want a signing, but if he cant trust him to cover for a game or two that is on the manager You aim to start with your best 11. TC isnt covering though is he. He is the only choice. Which JB said meant they had a bad summer signing window. As the context was if he had been told at the end of last season... Translation?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 31, 2022 13:49:41 GMT
JB may have had the idea Nick Anderton would have been his first choice with TC complimenting the position. (?) Therefore,he wasnt expecting TC to be starting this game . If he doesnt think TC isnt good enough to cover, than he should t have given him a contract. Now maybe Barton wont want him to be 1st choice all season and may want a signing, but if he cant trust him to cover for a game or two that is on the manager How can any club have a full squad of first team starters all on first team contracts, other than the likes of Man C and Liverpool, I assume TC's accepted a lower contract than, say Gibbons, as he knows he's mainly going to be back up LB.
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Post by oldie on Jul 31, 2022 13:52:10 GMT
If he doesnt think TC isnt good enough to cover, than he should t have given him a contract. Now maybe Barton wont want him to be 1st choice all season and may want a signing, but if he cant trust him to cover for a game or two that is on the manager How can any club have a full squad of first team starters all on first team contracts, other than the likes of Man C and Liverpool, I assume TC's accepted a lower contract than, say Gibbons, as he knows he's mainly going to be back up LB. Does that make any sense? Are you suggesting we run a part time squad?
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