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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2022 13:14:23 GMT
It is an embarrassment though when 3 players are shown the door and the CEO, Manager and the man who cant say good morning without using a four letter word don't know the PFA contract rules or even bother to ring the PFA to find out where they stand. Everybody raves about the new professionalism at the club but its been found wanting on this one. Who is going to eat humble pie now, probably all blaming each other. Theres no such thing as professionalism or loyalty at any football club when they want a player out, they will use any means necessary to make it happen, all kinds of underhand tactics to make things uncomfortable. Just like we've done with the 3 lads shown the door. Saw this article yesterday, suggesting banishing a player from the first team squad could fall foul of FIFA regulations and UK employment law... theathletic.com/3549567/2022/08/31/transfers-bomb-squads/ [Paywall] " This transfer window ought to have been different. This is the first summer since FIFA clarified its regulations on the “status and transfer of players” (RSTP) in November. New commentaries of Article 14 (2) found that forcing a player to train on their own may result in a club engaging in “abusive conduct”. Footballers, the rules argue, do not warrant such degradation.
There will be readers who roll their eyes at that. How can a player, often well-remunerated, command sympathy when all they are being asked to do is train away from their senior team-mates?
Well, it is entering dangerous territory with UK employment laws. The Professional Footballers’ Association (PFA), the players’ union, has been advising some of their impacted members this summer and continues to actively work with “two or three” players as this transfer window reaches its close.
“We see this tactic used now because there is this opportunity to move players on before the deadline,” James King, general counsel of the PFA, tells The Athletic.
“Managers change and they make an assessment of their squad, deciding that some players are not in their plans. But a player still has an employment contract and that is for a fixed term. The player is an employee and they have rights and protections like anyone else.
“This isn’t keeping a player’s skills up to the level they should be. These are professional footballers and the employer is obliged to train them at the highest possible level." The club were told by the PFA that they had to let them train with the first team squad, or they would be in breach of contract. Hence they were "welcomed back" on Tuesday, last week. I presume that an experienced CEO would have known this, a bit of on the job learning for Tom. They had to let them back in, but I don't think those players have been training much with the first team lads.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Sept 2, 2022 13:44:42 GMT
It is an embarrassment though when 3 players are shown the door and the CEO, Manager and the man who cant say good morning without using a four letter word don't know the PFA contract rules or even bother to ring the PFA to find out where they stand. Everybody raves about the new professionalism at the club but its been found wanting on this one. Who is going to eat humble pie now, probably all blaming each other. I'm guessing it's a lesson learned, happens in all walks of life, at least it was rectified before it cost the club any money.
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Post by toggsy2 on Sept 2, 2022 14:26:21 GMT
There us a positive to this they are useful for the Pizza Cup why risk first teamers on a tinpot cup when we can use fringe players with experience.. Gives them some game time to promote themselves to other clubs at the same time they win the gas win everyone's happy.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 2, 2022 14:35:35 GMT
It is an embarrassment though when 3 players are shown the door and the CEO, Manager and the man who cant say good morning without using a four letter word don't know the PFA contract rules or even bother to ring the PFA to find out where they stand. Everybody raves about the new professionalism at the club but its been found wanting on this one. Who is going to eat humble pie now, probably all blaming each other. Theres no such thing as professionalism or loyalty at any football club when they want a player out, they will use any means necessary to make it happen, all kinds of underhand tactics to make things uncomfortable. Just like we've done with the 3 lads shown the door. The club were told by the PFA that they had to let them train with the first team squad, or they would be in breach of contract. Hence they were "welcomed back" on Tuesday, last week. I presume that an experienced CEO would have known this, a bit of on the job learning for Tom. They had to let them back in, but I don't think those players have been training much with the first team lads.What would be the point if Joey has no interest in playing them?
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 2, 2022 15:03:03 GMT
Or good man management? Guess we'll wait and see Imo, a very good strategy, Joey was clear, neither player having being given a number of opportunities, were currently capable of doing what he wanted them to do on the pitch during game time, he told them / their agents, to look for a new club; unfortunately, neither has been able to drum up any interest. Subsequently, rather than isolate the players from the first team squad, Joey has quite rightly allowed both players to stay and train, while they sort out there futures. All very unambiguous, and I would have thought, in the short term at least (until the end of January 23), mutually acceptable. Out of interest how do you know for certain no club was interested in signing Clarke? Although given the comments made by JB why on earth would any club be interested in signing him.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 2, 2022 15:07:42 GMT
My guess is he probably has club's interested, but noone prepared to match the likely crazy money we're paying him. He belongs in amateur football and should be earning a living on the side IMO. One of the worst ever to wear the quarters. He knows he wont ever get a contract like this one every again, so (as is his right) he will wait it out. Shows a lack of ambition though as he has no chance here It's hardly lacking ambition pocketing £100K+ a season? When you look at Westbrooke's playing career he's only had one good season with Coventry, before that he even struggled to get game time when on loan at Solihull and Orient.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 2, 2022 16:07:17 GMT
He knows he wont ever get a contract like this one every again, so (as is his right) he will wait it out. Shows a lack of ambition though as he has no chance here It's hardly lacking ambition pocketing £100K+ a season? When you look at Westbrooke's playing career he's only had one good season with Coventry, before that he even struggled to get game time when on loan at Solihull and Orient. I was referring more to his footballing ambition to get as far as he can in the game
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 2, 2022 18:51:00 GMT
It's hardly lacking ambition pocketing £100K+ a season? When you look at Westbrooke's playing career he's only had one good season with Coventry, before that he even struggled to get game time when on loan at Solihull and Orient. I was referring more to his footballing ambition to get as far as he can in the game pound for pound the worst player ever in my 40 years and I have seen some dross. The only player who you can sell his kit as brand new after a game. Maybe a nice guy but a professional footballer he never is and probably can't believe his luck on the contract he has been given
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2022 20:01:33 GMT
You do wonder where Zain will end up at the end of his contract if he is unable to currently find a new club. Southend united ? My guess is he probably has club's interested, but noone prepared to match the likely crazy money we're paying him. He belongs in amateur football and should be earning a living on the side IMO. One of the worst ever to wear the quarters. That can always be sorted. The new club takes on the player at what they are willing to pay and the releasing club pays up the difference. It's how football works.
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Post by bidefordgas on Sept 2, 2022 20:02:11 GMT
I was referring more to his footballing ambition to get as far as he can in the game pound for pound the worst player ever in my 40 years and I have seen some dross. The only player who you can sell his kit as brand new after a game. Maybe a nice guy but a professional footballer he never is and probably can't believe his luck on the contract he has been given The first game of the season against FGR summed him up. No wonder we could not beat them with ten men.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2022 20:04:53 GMT
'Good' is four letters long. The arrogant unpleasant well pleased with himself scouser who I had the misfortune to sit near at a game last season who masquerades sometimes as director of football or sometimes football consultant, it all depends what day of the week it is. Of course apparently he's not employed by the club. Oh, the minder.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 2, 2022 20:07:55 GMT
My guess is he probably has club's interested, but noone prepared to match the likely crazy money we're paying him. He belongs in amateur football and should be earning a living on the side IMO. One of the worst ever to wear the quarters. That can always be sorted. The new club takes on the player at what they are willing to pay and the releasing club pays up the difference. It's how football works. What league club will want Westbrooke or the injury prone Rodman taking up one of the spaces in their squads, plus are either even worth paying just a % of their wages when they can probably get loaned players in for less £'s?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2022 20:25:45 GMT
That can always be sorted. The new club takes on the player at what they are willing to pay and the releasing club pays up the difference. It's how football works. What league club will want Westbrooke or the injury prone Rodman taking up one of the spaces in their squads, plus are either even worth paying just a % of their wages when they can probably get loaned players in for less £'s? I was talking about how you move players on by working the contract not the quality of the players. If they can't get a club then Wael will have to pay them in full until their contracts expire.
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