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Post by eastgas on Sept 3, 2022 20:33:55 GMT
I’m surprised so many people are so negative about Marquis. His work rate is excellent and his movement and tenacity create holes for others when he draws them in. He does moan at teammates as a few have pointed out, but service has been pretty poor to be fair. For me, without trying to add to the negativity, I don’t think Marquis has hit the ground running. I feel that he works hard, but him being in the team has a negative impact on the way we want play as a team. Having Marquis upfront means we are pushing Collins out of that spot, which in turn is forcing other players out of their positions to shoe horn them all in. I have heard a few people say he hasn’t had the service, but for me he’s just not getting in the right positions. Others seem to be scoring, including recently Loft, who has the same service. I genuinely am not knocking Marquis, he’s proven at this level, but I just feel some time out of the team and a place on the bench may be best. We may find that we have a good impact player from the bench also
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Post by dudelebowski on Sept 3, 2022 20:43:36 GMT
I actually think Marquis has been bought in to do all the untidy scrappy stuff up top, dragging the big b***ard centre backs into a battle, leaving the chances/goals to Collins, Loft etc… from what I’ve seen so far I’d not be shocked at all if this was JB’s plan working out as he’d hoped.
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Post by Gaswood on Sept 3, 2022 20:56:53 GMT
I actually think Marquis has been bought in to do all the untidy scrappy stuff up top, dragging the big b***ard centre backs into a battle, leaving the chances/goals to Collins, Loft etc… from what I’ve seen so far I’d not be shocked at all if this was JB’s plan working out as he’d hoped. This is pretty much how I’ve seen it too, with him being a general pest and annoying defences to allow others the opportunities, so it’s interesting how so many of us see it so very differently - the joy of football!
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 3, 2022 21:12:52 GMT
I actually think Marquis has been bought in to do all the untidy scrappy stuff up top, dragging the big b***ard centre backs into a battle, leaving the chances/goals to Collins, Loft etc… from what I’ve seen so far I’d not be shocked at all if this was JB’s plan working out as he’d hoped. But isn't that what Loft does? the difference being Loft is also adding goals. We signed Marquis undoubtably on a decent wedge to score goals as he was a proven goalscorer in this league which we didn't have. He can run around and make a nuisence of himself sure, but we can sign a Kenyan long distance runner to do that.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 3, 2022 21:14:43 GMT
I actually think Marquis has been bought in to do all the untidy scrappy stuff up top, dragging the big b***ard centre backs into a battle, leaving the chances/goals to Collins, Loft etc… from what I’ve seen so far I’d not be shocked at all if this was JB’s plan working out as he’d hoped. A bit odd if that was the case given that today was Loft's first start of the season, after last season I doubt JB was confident Loft would score more than a handful of goals, the fact he's scoring goals seems a bonus for JB. Unless LM is going to spend all season on the bench then either Evans or Marquis/Loft will have to make way for him.
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Post by dudelebowski on Sept 3, 2022 21:24:50 GMT
I actually think Marquis has been bought in to do all the untidy scrappy stuff up top, dragging the big b***ard centre backs into a battle, leaving the chances/goals to Collins, Loft etc… from what I’ve seen so far I’d not be shocked at all if this was JB’s plan working out as he’d hoped. A bit odd if that was the case given that today was Loft's first start of the season, after last season I doubt JB was confident Loft would score more than a handful of goals, the fact he's scoring goals seems a bonus for JB. Unless LM is going to spend all season on the bench then either Evans or Marquis/Loft will have to make way for him. At this moment in time, that’ll be Evans! For me anyway.
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Post by singupgas on Sept 3, 2022 22:26:26 GMT
Marquis does a hell of a lot of running and puts his effort into being a nuisance.
Doing so though he is not in position to necessarily score.
However as of right now..our midfield aren't really creating many chances for our strikers.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Sept 3, 2022 23:05:18 GMT
For all the negativity about Evans, he was still by far the most likely to create something today. His set-piece delivery was a bit patchy but quality at times and he put an unbelievable defence splitting ball through near the end that Jasper should have controlled. I think if there is an issue you want him with the ball a bit further forward and you want some other creative midfield presence to share the responsibility. Hoole played really well in the first half but looked wobbly in the second. He’s a real prospect though. I thought Gordon did well today and Loft really put himself about. I’m not sure it worked with him and Marquis on the pitch and I’m fairly sure we’ll see the latter drop to the bench. Thomas did pretty well and obviously the goal was a bonus. We have some good defenders but are missing too many of them and don’t have anything like a settled back line. We’ll get there. Lots of promising signs.
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Post by onedaygas83 on Sept 4, 2022 0:29:41 GMT
My biggest worry is the defence. If I look at everything bad over the last 3 seasons and they are all when Kilgour was in the team. He is just a liabilty in that he lacks pace and he cannot mark a player. Then alongside him we have Houle who ruins all his good contributions with an inability to pass the ball. If these two play we will be in a relegation battle. Kilgour hasn't been in the team for over a year and we were still bad until Taylor arrived, with Gibson out injured Kilgour had to start today and whilst he may have played his part in conceding the second goal he wasn't at fault for the first goal. If Hoole could cross the ball I doubt he'd still be a Rovers player, but Gordon and Clarke were no better on the other wing, with Clarke in particularly wasting a good move late in the second half. Hoole has it all and I'm convinced he will be the next player this club will receive a million pound fee! The boy has it all! Joeys messed his head up early doors this season by playing him CB but he is the complete package as a wing back/ future attacking winger IMO. Reminds me of a raw Kyle Naughton/Kyle walker when they were both at Sheffield United
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Post by Gassy on Sept 4, 2022 5:52:28 GMT
Marquis does a hell of a lot of running and puts his effort into being a nuisance. Doing so though he is not in position to necessarily score. However as of right now..our midfield aren't really creating many chances for our strikers. True, but on your last sentence - Loft & Collins are still able to score/create goal scoring chances. Marquis doesn’t. If I look back to Marquis at Oxford, he was superb. Forget the goal he scored, just being involved in every incident really got us going. But it’s only been the one performance so far unfortunately
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Post by pucklegas on Sept 4, 2022 6:15:30 GMT
Marquis does a hell of a lot of running and puts his effort into being a nuisance. Doing so though he is not in position to necessarily score. However as of right now..our midfield aren't really creating many chances for our strikers. Totally agree, if you look at his Donny Rovers goals they created a lot of chances for him, he is a class finisher, and I was excited by his arrival. He will score goals but no one can fault his effort. None of our players are up to their peak performances yet.
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Post by percy on Sept 4, 2022 6:50:39 GMT
Welll we looked like what we are. Not quite yet a team with too many players injured or not quite fit. BUT like last season, the signs are there things will improve and we have a very decent squad. Evans needs to be dropped (and coutts when we can), not sure what is up with him (although he started the great move for the first) and I’d drop Marquis for an extra midfielder. Pluses. Thomas looks like just what we need. Loft is going to have a great season. Collins on another day would have had a hat trick.
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Post by yattongas on Sept 4, 2022 7:51:24 GMT
For context, we dominated the game . 61% possession. 23 shots of which 7 on target ( Morecambe 8/4 ) & 11 corners v 2 .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2022 8:01:44 GMT
Joe is experimenting with the team still and new players finding their feet etc.
Once all bedded in,we'll be okay imo.
Marquis gets pushed and kicked,he runs hard and I think he's been an asset.
Super pace upfront these days.One of these days Harvey will recieve a pass just infront of him,rather than 10 metres.
Aaron's shot that struck the post was absolute class.
New striker will add competition,never know,it might encourage Lofty to head the ball.He's fine with the ball at his feet,but his poor heading ability remains and it'll see him dropped and moved on eventually.Unless he sorts it.
Anyone get a good view of the Shrimps GK and Aaron's clash in the first half. A penalty?
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Post by miltongas on Sept 4, 2022 8:08:10 GMT
I agree with a number of comments on here but fwiw there are some things I think we need to sort. Evans set piece delivery is currently patchy. It’s also always him, I’d like to see some variety to our set prices - especially corners from the right side where I’d like to see a left footer take one occasionally. For all Collins excellent play yesterday I wonder if we need to see Loft and Marquis as an old fashioned front 2 with Aaron supporting behind. Although yesterday I thought Marquis had an off day for whatever reason. And why can’t we find someone who can take a long throw? Yesterday was disappointing and a game I thought we’d win, but we didn’t lose and that resilience matters.
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Post by TAGas on Sept 4, 2022 8:11:41 GMT
Was a tough watch yesterday and very frustrating also. I think people on here are correct about Marquis regarding his work rate and to bring the defender away as the guy is never in the 6/12 yard box is always too deep.
I hope Gordon improves as I don't see him being better than Clarke at this moment in time.
The quicker JB works out his best 11 the better
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Post by northridinggas on Sept 4, 2022 8:14:34 GMT
I agree with a number of comments on here but fwiw there are some things I think we need to sort. Evans set piece delivery is currently patchy. It’s also always him, I’d like to see some variety to our set prices - especially corners from the right side where I’d like to see a left footer take one occasionally. For all Collins excellent play yesterday I wonder if we need to see Loft and Marquis as an old fashioned front 2 with Aaron supporting behind. Although yesterday I thought Marquis had an off day for whatever reason. And why can’t we find someone who can take a long throw? Yesterday was disappointing and a game I thought we’d win, but we didn’t lose and that resilience matters. Bobby Thomas has a long throw I understand so hopefully we see this in future matches
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 4, 2022 9:30:05 GMT
Components are certainly there. just now need a few games with a settled defence which I think is hampering the descion making from belshaw who seems to be hesitant in coming for the ball or distribution to the defence when he has it at in possession
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 4, 2022 9:36:08 GMT
I actually think Marquis has been bought in to do all the untidy scrappy stuff up top, dragging the big b***ard centre backs into a battle, leaving the chances/goals to Collins, Loft etc… from what I’ve seen so far I’d not be shocked at all if this was JB’s plan working out as he’d hoped. A bit odd if that was the case given that today was Loft's first start of the season, after last season I doubt JB was confident Loft would score more than a handful of goals, the fact he's scoring goals seems a bonus for JB. Unless LM is going to spend all season on the bench then either Evans or Marquis/Loft will have to make way for him. It wasn't Lofts first start of the season. It's good to have options in the forward positions, so we can play different formations.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 4, 2022 9:54:01 GMT
A bit odd if that was the case given that today was Loft's first start of the season, after last season I doubt JB was confident Loft would score more than a handful of goals, the fact he's scoring goals seems a bonus for JB. Unless LM is going to spend all season on the bench then either Evans or Marquis/Loft will have to make way for him. It wasn't Lofts first start of the season. It's good to have options in the forward positions, so we can play different formations. What's that got to do with finding a place for LM in the starting 11?
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