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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 5, 2022 14:48:49 GMT
No poll.
Just think it's poor management to publicly hang players out to dry, defacto sack them, and then at a later date come to rely on their services.
DC done similar with Mildy, whom remained calm and stoic through being publicly humiliated only to return because DC made a mistake.
I believe JAB has made the same mistake and could have handled this much better, yet as much as I loan my trust to him in new signings, I think he's played a stinker on this one and could have counter productive off field issues by the way he's handled TC affair.
I agreed with what he done, just not how he done it.
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Post by pucklegas on Sept 5, 2022 14:52:17 GMT
Rumours nothing to do with footballing ability, poorly handled, but worse things happening so we have to move on!
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Post by dudelebowski on Sept 5, 2022 14:54:54 GMT
Not a DC bash by any means, but I recall the time he sent Ellis out on loan to Hartlepool 10mins after scoring the winner away to Oxford. Very bizarre. In the middle of a promotion season as well😄
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 5, 2022 14:56:50 GMT
Not a DC bash by any means, but I recall the time he sent Ellis out on loan to Hartlepool 10mins after scoring the winner away to Oxford. Very bizarre. In the middle of a promotion season as well😄 No wonder they appear to hate us! 🤭
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Post by The Equaliser on Sept 5, 2022 14:58:44 GMT
Let managers manage. Their way. They are the ones who live or die by the results. 👍🏾
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Post by calcio on Sept 5, 2022 15:26:25 GMT
Let managers manage. Their way. They are the ones who live or die by the results. 👍🏾 And the 2 parties know how it was handled in reality, not just based on a press interview. They know who said what, when, to who, and how. And situations develop and change. Fans know nothing of this. Trevor was fine on Saturday, but not much cop on his last home performance.
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Post by socrates on Sept 5, 2022 15:42:32 GMT
No poll. Just think it's poor management to publicly hang players out to dry, defacto sack them, and then at a later date come to rely on their services. DC done similar with Mildy, whom remained calm and stoic through being publicly humiliated only to return because DC made a mistake. I believe JAB has made the same mistake and could have handled this much better, yet as much as I loan my trust to him in new signings, I think he's played a stinker on this one and could have counter productive off field issues by the way he's handled TC affair. I agreed with what he done, just not how he done it. Without being there i don’t know what has happened or what was said between them so I’ve got no opinion of whether is was handled badly by either or them , one of them or neither.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Sept 5, 2022 15:50:38 GMT
Mildy was in awful form at the time. It’s not a mistake to drop a player who’s not performing at the level you would expect from them
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 5, 2022 16:13:40 GMT
Mildy was in awful form at the time. It’s not a mistake to drop a player who’s not performing at the level you would expect from them Very true but that’s not what o2o2 is saying is it? (Of course he doesn’t need me to make it clear, he can do that) Unless I’m mistaken he’s talking about the manner in which it's been done and how it was done so publicly. If players are not performing then managers drop them but don’t always call them out so blatantly. Perhaps JB was hoping to get a result similar to what happened with Luke Thomas last year. I suspect that players will know that JB has his very ‘individual’ way of dealing with certain situations which isn’t the norm and not always like everyone’s else’s way of doing it. Perhaps some raised eyebrows and a shake of the head but then move on. I don’t like it as a way of treating people but I’ve never been a professional football player or manager. UTG!
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Post by toggsy2 on Sept 5, 2022 17:01:30 GMT
When does the loan market shut for the Nationals leagues. Wouldn't it be better to send Westbrooke and Clarke (if he doesn't improve ) on loan to non league even if we have to cover wages . Least by doing that they are getting regular game time which makes them more of an attractive signing for other clubs if they are playing regularly plus they will be match fit if they need to be recalled.
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Post by basel on Sept 5, 2022 17:07:51 GMT
Joe and Clarkey had a disagreement/arguement.
That's history.
Clarkey back in the fold.
Joe happy to have Clarkey back.
Clarkey,after failing to find a new fc,is we can assume, happy to be considered for selection again at Rovers.
A two way thing.
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Post by drawnandquartered on Sept 5, 2022 17:37:34 GMT
I thought Clarke was fantastic against forest green, really high quality first touch and just seemed to me to be on another level. I hated the Luke Thomas shenanigans last season, this had me deeply dismayed as well but maybe we get the same or a better end result?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 5, 2022 17:38:29 GMT
Let managers manage. Their way. They are the ones who live or die by the results. 👍🏾 Kinda agree. Although GC was much maligned by not his results, but how he accrued them. Attendances dropped because it was boring (apparently). It's not so much results full stop nothing else, it's about how you manage and how you endear with team spirit, uniting fan base and club, and attainment with effort. I saw the sacking of the 3, as publicly as it was conducted as potentially a bad move. Have some humility FFS, help the players and move on with dignity. They have families to support too, we're not a charity but we do have a duty of care to help players that might not quite be quality or fit into our way of transition up the league..
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 5, 2022 17:51:56 GMT
Let managers manage. Their way. They are the ones who live or die by the results. 👍🏾 Kinda agree. Although GC was much maligned by not his results, but how he accrued them. Attendances dropped because it was boring (apparently). It's not so much results full stop nothing else, it's about how you manage and how you endear with team spirit, uniting fan base and club, and attainment with effort. I saw the sacking of the 3, as publicly as it was conducted as potentially a bad move. Have some humility FFS, help the players and move on with dignity. They have families to support too, we're not a charity but we do have a duty of care to help players that might not quite be quality or fit into our way of transition up the league.. Unless we know the reasons which led to the fall out it's impossible to comment, perhaps Clarke knows he overstepped the mark? Not sure what having families to support as to do with anything, as I'd imagine Westbrooke and Rodman have no trouble supporting their families on the L1 wages they are presently getting each month from Rovers?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 5, 2022 18:02:40 GMT
Kinda agree. Although GC was much maligned by not his results, but how he accrued them. Attendances dropped because it was boring (apparently). It's not so much results full stop nothing else, it's about how you manage and how you endear with team spirit, uniting fan base and club, and attainment with effort. I saw the sacking of the 3, as publicly as it was conducted as potentially a bad move. Have some humility FFS, help the players and move on with dignity. They have families to support too, we're not a charity but we do have a duty of care to help players that might not quite be quality or fit into our way of transition up the league.. Unless we know the reasons which led to the fall out it's impossible to comment, perhaps Clarke knows he overstepped the mark? Not sure what having families to support as to do with anything, as I'd imagine Westbrooke and Rodman have no trouble supporting their families on the L1 wages they are presently getting each month from Rovers? Um because you're dealing with human beings, not commodities. Agree supporting families on L1 wages appear to be higher than average living wage....but how this has been handled, creating instability in a public way, that was unilaterally declared as a sacking. The reasons appear nonchalant as TC was as instantly called up for first team inclusion v Plymouth and league match sub v Morecambe without subsequent public redress. It just appears crass.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 5, 2022 18:11:41 GMT
Unless we know the reasons which led to the fall out it's impossible to comment, perhaps Clarke knows he overstepped the mark? Not sure what having families to support as to do with anything, as I'd imagine Westbrooke and Rodman have no trouble supporting their families on the L1 wages they are presently getting each month from Rovers? Um because you're dealing with human beings, not commodities. Agree supporting families on L1 wages appear to be higher than average living wage....but how this has been handled, creating instability in a public way, that was unilaterally declared as a sacking. The reasons appear nonchalant as TC was as instantly called up for first team inclusion v Plymouth and league match sub v Morecambe without subsequent public redress. It just appears crass. As I said unless we know the full reasons behind the TC bust up it's impossible to comment, although not sure what you expect fans to do, demand that Wael now sacks JB and then employs another clown like Garner or Tisadale?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 6, 2022 8:26:13 GMT
We don’t know the full story.
If he ends up playing his socks off but his manner wasn’t what Joe wanted before his kick up the arse then whatever has been done has been effective.
Sometimes, like with LT, you need to give people a kick up the arse to effectively be cruel to be kind. Some people need that.
And sometimes being harsh is actually being fair on someone to give them the best chance of them performing and succeeding.
Being mean to Trevor Clarke and Luke Thomas are not necessarily evidence of JB being a poor man manager. For all we know, it could be a sign that Joey knows how to motivate a man in the way that most fits them and their circumstances.
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Post by hollyhillgas on Sept 6, 2022 15:10:46 GMT
Pity it doesn't seem to have worked with Zain Westbrooke
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Post by Colyton Gas on Sept 6, 2022 16:47:42 GMT
I thought Clarke was fantastic against forest green, really high quality first touch and just seemed to me to be on another level. I hated the Luke Thomas shenanigans last season, this had me deeply dismayed as well but maybe we get the same or a better end result? Totally agree.He never stopped and had a great game.
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Post by gashead4ever on Sept 6, 2022 20:02:11 GMT
Some players need kick up the ass every so often it might be that Joey did it with Luke Thomas and he said it helped him bit of revers psychology
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