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Post by playtowin on Sept 25, 2022 10:01:49 GMT
JB's view is he doesn't need an experienced CB after his success at Fleetwood and with Connolly last season, although it could be he just got lucky signing two very good youngsters, I can't see Thomas is in the same bracket and Gibbons seems injury prone. Barton also signed 34-year-old CB Charlie Mulgrew for a loan spell at Fleetwood. The thing is ,if we are all saying Kilgour is too slow to play in a back 3 what 34 year olds have pace to replace him ?
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Post by pirate on Sept 25, 2022 10:03:49 GMT
Barton also signed 34-year-old CB Charlie Mulgrew for a loan spell at Fleetwood. The thing is ,if we are all saying Kilgour is too slow to play in a back 3 what 34 year olds have pace to replace him ? I'm not saying that, just pointing out he also signed an experienced centre half.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 25, 2022 10:38:47 GMT
JB's view is he doesn't need an experienced CB after his success at Fleetwood and with Connolly last season, although it could be he just got lucky signing two very good youngsters, I can't see Thomas is in the same bracket and Gibbons seems injury prone. Barton also signed 34-year-old CB Charlie Mulgrew for a loan spell at Fleetwood. He also signed Hughes last summer, perhaps he's just talking his usual nonsense, last week he was apparently keen to sign this unknown player, this week he's seemingly not even bothered to pick up the phone to speak to him/his agent.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 25, 2022 12:08:59 GMT
Full back Jon Flanagan is still available after leaving the Danish league in June. More importantantly is another scouser
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 25, 2022 12:30:23 GMT
Its not all about pace- it is also about experience and the ability to position correctly and guide others. Craig wasn't quick and he was not as tall as Kilgour but compare the two and Alfie is a headless chicken. Kilgour is not capable of organising himself to position himself correctly let alone other players. Not that many good centre halves are actually very quick.
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Post by playtowin on Sept 25, 2022 12:48:53 GMT
The thing is ,if we are all saying Kilgour is too slow to play in a back 3 what 34 year olds have pace to replace him ? I'm not saying that, just pointing out he also signed an experienced centre half. Sorry, didnt mean to imply you were, just adding that even if he did sign an older player (mark hughes) people would then say not fast enough.
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Post by lavalamp on Sept 25, 2022 13:09:49 GMT
Full back Jon Flanagan is still available after leaving the Danish league in June. More importantantly is another scouser Just to pour some coal on the fire - previously been charged for assault, also played one game for England and spent time at Rangers.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 25, 2022 15:03:04 GMT
Its not all about pace- it is also about experience and the ability to position correctly and guide others. Craig wasn't quick and he was not as tall as Kilgour but compare the two and Alfie is a headless chicken. Kilgour is not capable of organising himself to position himself correctly let alone other players. Not that many good centre halves are actually very quick. What's your thoughts on Thomas'performance yesterday, or doesn't his count as he's not an home grown player?
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Post by toggsy2 on Sept 25, 2022 15:23:59 GMT
Its not all about pace- it is also about experience and the ability to position correctly and guide others. Craig wasn't quick and he was not as tall as Kilgour but compare the two and Alfie is a headless chicken. Kilgour is not capable of organising himself to position himself correctly let alone other players. Not that many good centre halves are actually very quick. Kilgour hasn't been the same player since Craig departed it seems he's taken one step forward and two steps back since Craig left. Craig's tutor ledge that season was a key part of Kilgours development would have him back at Rovers in a heart beat even if it's just in a coaching capacity.
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Post by lavalamp on Sept 25, 2022 16:20:59 GMT
Its not all about pace- it is also about experience and the ability to position correctly and guide others. Craig wasn't quick and he was not as tall as Kilgour but compare the two and Alfie is a headless chicken. Kilgour is not capable of organising himself to position himself correctly let alone other players. Not that many good centre halves are actually very quick. Kilgour hasn't been the same player since Craig departed it seems he's taken one step forward and two steps back since Craig left. Craig's tutor ledge that season was a key part of Kilgours development would have him back at Rovers in a heart beat even if it's just in a coaching capacity. More coals on the fire - as it appears Kevin Bond has departed we do need a defensive coach.
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 26, 2022 14:33:27 GMT
Its not all about pace- it is also about experience and the ability to position correctly and guide others. Craig wasn't quick and he was not as tall as Kilgour but compare the two and Alfie is a headless chicken. Kilgour is not capable of organising himself to position himself correctly let alone other players. Not that many good centre halves are actually very quick. What's your thoughts on Thomas'performance yesterday, or doesn't his count as he's not an home grown player? Topper Gas , Thought Thomas's performance was very much a mixed bag on Saturday. Some very good moments and some very poor ones. Not convinced he is the answer but prepared to give him time the same as all new signings. I have nothing against home players if they are performing well. Many years ago and I mean many we had a very good youth scheme that produced MANY players good enough to not only play in the first team but went on to have good careers. It seems to me that these days unfortunately the lot from over the river pick up all the decent youngsters to the extent that my feeling is we may as well go after free transfers as it seems most of the young players we pick up are better than any of our own young playersLast season with JB was probably the best example of this and maybe it should be the way forward.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 26, 2022 14:53:42 GMT
Full back Jon Flanagan is still available after leaving the Danish league in June. More importantantly is another scouser Just to pour some coal on the fire - previously been charged for assault, also played one game for England and spent time at Rangers. Sounds like management material
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 26, 2022 14:57:54 GMT
What's your thoughts on Thomas'performance yesterday, or doesn't his count as he's not an home grown player? Topper Gas , Thought Thomas's performance was very much a mixed bag on Saturday. Some very good moments and some very poor ones. Not convinced he is the answer but prepared to give him time the same as all new signings. I have nothing against home players if they are performing well. Many years ago and I mean many we had a very good youth scheme that produced MANY players good enough to not only play in the first team but went on to have good careers. It seems to me that these days unfortunately the lot from over the river pick up all the decent youngsters to the extent that my feeling is we may as well go after free transfers as it seems most of the young players we pick up are better than any of our own young playersLast season with JB was probably the best example of this and maybe it should be the way forward. Apart from Connolly we had little chance of signing any of the youngsters JB signed on loan, so it's hardly surprising they performed better than our own youngsters. Hoole seems a good prospect if JB doesn't ruin him by playing him at CB, and Ryan Jones has always looked good whenever he's played.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 26, 2022 15:04:40 GMT
Topper Gas , Thought Thomas's performance was very much a mixed bag on Saturday. Some very good moments and some very poor ones. Not convinced he is the answer but prepared to give him time the same as all new signings. I have nothing against home players if they are performing well. Many years ago and I mean many we had a very good youth scheme that produced MANY players good enough to not only play in the first team but went on to have good careers. It seems to me that these days unfortunately the lot from over the river pick up all the decent youngsters to the extent that my feeling is we may as well go after free transfers as it seems most of the young players we pick up are better than any of our own young playersLast season with JB was probably the best example of this and maybe it should be the way forward. Apart from Connolly we had little chance of signing any of the youngsters JB signed on loan, so it's hardly surprising they performed better than our own youngsters. Hoole seems a good prospect if JB doesn't ruin him by playing him at CB, and Ryan Jones has always looked good whenever he's played. I think Barton already said that he sees Hoole as a CB long term. Hoole's passing has gone to pot this season and hasnt looked great in either position.
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 26, 2022 15:32:55 GMT
Whether Hoole becomes from a good prospect to a regular in either position will not be down to JB but to himself. I do not see him as a "great" prospect at the moment. His passing is absolutely terrible whether he plays full back or centre half and this could well see him on the bench when injured players return and to be honest if we had the players available that would be where I see him at present but of course you would say that was because he is home grown. The whole reason we are going for free transfers and loans is because our home grown players just arent good enough and I would say that is because City are these days taking all the decent ones and we are left with the scraps.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Sept 26, 2022 16:15:31 GMT
Its not all about pace- it is also about experience and the ability to position correctly and guide others. Craig wasn't quick and he was not as tall as Kilgour but compare the two and Alfie is a headless chicken. Kilgour is not capable of organising himself to position himself correctly let alone other players. Not that many good centre halves are actually very quick. Poor Alfie, I sooo hope he doesn’t read this forum ! 💙utg
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 26, 2022 17:53:17 GMT
Apart from Connolly we had little chance of signing any of the youngsters JB signed on loan, so it's hardly surprising they performed better than our own youngsters. Hoole seems a good prospect if JB doesn't ruin him by playing him at CB, and Ryan Jones has always looked good whenever he's played. I think Barton already said that he sees Hoole as a CB long term. Hoole's passing has gone to pot this season and hasnt looked great in either position. JB just seems to say what fits at the time, if Hoole's no longer needed as a CB then no doubt he'll just say he's now decided RB is best position.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 26, 2022 17:55:45 GMT
Whether Hoole becomes from a good prospect to a regular in either position will not be down to JB but to himself. I do not see him as a "great" prospect at the moment. His passing is absolutely terrible whether he plays full back or centre half and this could well see him on the bench when injured players return and to be honest if we had the players available that would be where I see him at present but of course you would say that was because he is home grown. The whole reason we are going for free transfers and loans is because our home grown players just arent good enough and I would say that is because City are these days taking all the decent ones and we are left with the scraps. You talk as if in the past we've been producing 1st team players on a regular basis, given that Locks & OC were the last Academy players to make the grade we haven't been producing any for well over a decade. We even sold Zamora when he was looking a decent prospect.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Sept 26, 2022 18:30:06 GMT
Whether Hoole becomes from a good prospect to a regular in either position will not be down to JB but to himself. I do not see him as a "great" prospect at the moment. His passing is absolutely terrible whether he plays full back or centre half and this could well see him on the bench when injured players return and to be honest if we had the players available that would be where I see him at present but of course you would say that was because he is home grown. The whole reason we are going for free transfers and loans is because our home grown players just arent good enough and I would say that is because City are these days taking all the decent ones and we are left with the scraps. You talk as if in the past we've been producing 1st team players on a regular basis, given that Locks & OC were the last Academy players to make the grade we haven't been producing any for well over a decade. We even sold Zamora when he was looking a decent prospect. Ellis.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 26, 2022 19:51:25 GMT
You talk as if in the past we've been producing 1st team players on a regular basis, given that Locks & OC were the last Academy players to make the grade we haven't been producing any for well over a decade. We even sold Zamora when he was looking a decent prospect. Ellis. Ellis is a year old than Locks!
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