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Post by Somersetgas on Sept 19, 2022 18:26:19 GMT
Could it be a jealousy fact? Local boy done good? Chris Lines first time around, exactly the same as the Alfie situation, “doesn’t tackle, doesn’t do this oh and had a bottle of Corona.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 19, 2022 18:29:26 GMT
Could it be a jealousy fact? Local boy done good? Chris Lines first time around, exactly the same as the Alfie situation, “doesn’t tackle, doesn’t do this oh and had a bottle of Corona. To be fair to Gasheads it was during our relegation season. the move away seemed to have worked out well for Lines and Rovers.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 19, 2022 18:31:46 GMT
Why do we not rate our own local players? Alfie has played over 100 first team games, under several managers and like Ollie Clarke gets a lot of unfair criticism (in my opinion). Both have had terrible injuries that would have caused them to retire in the 70s and 80s - think Wayne Jones, Alan Evans, Lee Portch and Wayne Noble but they have both several operations and fought hard to get fit and force their way back into the side. I think Whelan gave away possession more times on Saturday than in the whole of his Rovers career. Add to that the fact that Hoole and Gordon looked totally lost as he took up strange positions and they didn't know if they were meant to stay with their own men, or cover the gaps that Whelan created. I know Whelan has been outstanding for us, but if Alfie had played equally as badly, the forum would have been on meltdown. It seems that it is incredibly hard for local youngsters to make it. Since the (first) John Ward days we cannot have had more than 3 or 4 local lads come through to play 100 games. (ie not Ellis or Locks). Yet in that time at least 2 of our released youngsters have played over 100 premier games (Mings and Barnes). Maybe just my age but football (and footballers) seemed happier in the days of Stewie, Archie (Lee), Gravy and Maddison. Alan Evans, did you mean Andrew Evans? Assuming the OP means Andy Evans he never played again for Rovers following his serious injury and even still had a bad limp when he was forced to retire which hardly comparable to players requiring knee ops.
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Post by Somersetgas on Sept 19, 2022 19:01:06 GMT
Could it be a jealousy fact? Local boy done good? Chris Lines first time around, exactly the same as the Alfie situation, “doesn’t tackle, doesn’t do this oh and had a bottle of Corona. To be fair to Gasheads it was during our relegation season. the move away seemed to have worked out well for Lines and Rovers. Yeah get that, but looking back over the years, Archer, Maddison, Browning back in the day, Ellis and Tom Lockyer now Alfie and Luca, nobody is giving Belshaw belters for diving the wrong way for penalties or his poorer performances this season, not releasing the ball quick enough etc.
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Post by herbertblake on Sept 19, 2022 19:53:54 GMT
Why do we not rate our own local players? Alfie has played over 100 first team games, under several managers and like Ollie Clarke gets a lot of unfair criticism (in my opinion). Both have had terrible injuries that would have caused them to retire in the 70s and 80s - think Wayne Jones, Alan Evans, Lee Portch and Wayne Noble but they have both several operations and fought hard to get fit and force their way back into the side. I think Whelan gave away possession more times on Saturday than in the whole of his Rovers career. Add to that the fact that Hoole and Gordon looked totally lost as he took up strange positions and they didn't know if they were meant to stay with their own men, or cover the gaps that Whelan created. I know Whelan has been outstanding for us, but if Alfie had played equally as badly, the forum would have been on meltdown. It seems that it is incredibly hard for local youngsters to make it. Since the (first) John Ward days we cannot have had more than 3 or 4 local lads come through to play 100 games. (ie not Ellis or Locks). Yet in that time at least 2 of our released youngsters have played over 100 premier games (Mings and Barnes). Maybe just my age but football (and footballers) seemed happier in the days of Stewie, Archie (Lee), Gravy and Maddison. At what age were Mings and Barnes with us? Mings was at Yate and Barnes Paulton neither were part of our youth set up. Collins and Doidge were rejected as youngsters by Rovers.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Sept 19, 2022 20:45:11 GMT
Why do we not rate our own local players? Alfie has played over 100 first team games, under several managers and like Ollie Clarke gets a lot of unfair criticism (in my opinion). Both have had terrible injuries that would have caused them to retire in the 70s and 80s - think Wayne Jones, Alan Evans, Lee Portch and Wayne Noble but they have both several operations and fought hard to get fit and force their way back into the side. I think Whelan gave away possession more times on Saturday than in the whole of his Rovers career. Add to that the fact that Hoole and Gordon looked totally lost as he took up strange positions and they didn't know if they were meant to stay with their own men, or cover the gaps that Whelan created. I know Whelan has been outstanding for us, but if Alfie had played equally as badly, the forum would have been on meltdown. It seems that it is incredibly hard for local youngsters to make it. Since the (first) John Ward days we cannot have had more than 3 or 4 local lads come through to play 100 games. (ie not Ellis or Locks). Yet in that time at least 2 of our released youngsters have played over 100 premier games (Mings and Barnes). Maybe just my age but football (and footballers) seemed happier in the days of Stewie, Archie (Lee), Gravy and Maddison. Whelan didn’t play badly he was asked to do a job that he’s never done in his life before! Yep, the most experienced player on the pitch who has played at a higher level than anyone else on the pitch who would have been invaluable played correctly gets played somewhere that no manager ever had played him, not even Tony Pulis who loved to play everyone in defence! We may as well played Bellshaw there, it would have been just as good!
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Post by brfclee on Sept 19, 2022 22:59:59 GMT
At what age were Mings and Barnes with us? Mings was at Yate and Barnes Paulton neither were part of our youth set up. Collins and Doidge were rejected as youngsters by Rovers. A few years ago whilst he was still playing for Chippenham Town Tyrone Mings was also working for London and Country Mortgage brokers, I arranged a mortgage through them and he was the case manager. We had a couple of long chats about football as I recognised the name and he told me he had a short spell with rovers but it didn't work out.
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Post by bidefordgas on Sept 20, 2022 6:47:42 GMT
At what age were Mings and Barnes with us? Mings was at Yate and Barnes Paulton neither were part of our youth set up. Collins and Doidge were rejected as youngsters by Rovers. Thanks for confirming that. I had a look on Wiki before I posted and confirmed what I had thought, that neither player had ever played for us.
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Post by pirate on Sept 20, 2022 10:10:48 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 20, 2022 10:25:21 GMT
Given that both Mings and Barnes dropped down to non league football it hardly sounds like the club made an error in letting them go, not that Mings was ever a register member of the Academy anyway.
Although not sure what either have got to do with the fact "one of our own" players seem to struggle to progress.
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Post by pirate on Sept 20, 2022 10:44:26 GMT
Given that both Mings and Barnes dropped down to non league football it hardly sounds like the club made an error in letting them go, not that Mings was ever a register member of the Academy anyway. Although not sure what either have got to do with the fact "one of our own" players seem to struggle to progress. Mings was with the club for about a month under the tutelage of then u18 coach Jerry Gill to assess whether or not to offer him a scholarship which the club decide against, with Mings himself saying he probably wasn't ready for. Even though Barnes says "these clubs treat you like rubbish" he also mentioned he "had a bad temperament", so at the time he also might not have been ready. There are always going to be players released from youth setups that go on to develop and progress further to have successful careers, it doesn't mean those clubs were wrong to release them at the time. You see it elsewhere too with the likes of Jamie Vardy (released by Sheffield Wednesday), Charlie Austin (released by Reading), Chris Smalling (releaed by Millwall), Craig Dawson (released by Man City), Joe Lolley (released by Birmingham City) and Che Adams (released by Coventry City).
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 20, 2022 11:02:21 GMT
Why do we not rate our own local players? Alfie has played over 100 first team games, under several managers and like Ollie Clarke gets a lot of unfair criticism (in my opinion). Both have had terrible injuries that would have caused them to retire in the 70s and 80s - think Wayne Jones, Alan Evans, Lee Portch and Wayne Noble but they have both several operations and fought hard to get fit and force their way back into the side. I think Whelan gave away possession more times on Saturday than in the whole of his Rovers career. Add to that the fact that Hoole and Gordon looked totally lost as he took up strange positions and they didn't know if they were meant to stay with their own men, or cover the gaps that Whelan created. I know Whelan has been outstanding for us, but if Alfie had played equally as badly, the forum would have been on meltdown. It seems that it is incredibly hard for local youngsters to make it. Since the (first) John Ward days we cannot have had more than 3 or 4 local lads come through to play 100 games. (ie not Ellis or Locks). Yet in that time at least 2 of our released youngsters have played over 100 premier games (Mings and Barnes). Maybe just my age but football (and footballers) seemed happier in the days of Stewie, Archie (Lee), Gravy and Maddison. Whelan didn’t play badly he was asked to do a job that he’s never done in his life before! Yep, the most experienced player on the pitch who has played at a higher level than anyone else on the pitch who would have been invaluable played correctly gets played somewhere that no manager ever had played him, not even Tony Pulis who loved to play everyone in defence! We may as well played Bellshaw there, it would have been just as good! Whelan did play at the back vs Plymouth recently, although did get done for pace a couple of times. I guess Joey thought the other 2 would get him out of jail if that happened on Sat. A lesson learned for Joey I think
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Post by peterhooper57 on Sept 20, 2022 11:27:42 GMT
Why do we not rate our own local players? Alfie has played over 100 first team games, under several managers and like Ollie Clarke gets a lot of unfair criticism (in my opinion). Both have had terrible injuries that would have caused them to retire in the 70s and 80s - think Wayne Jones, Alan Evans, Lee Portch and Wayne Noble but they have both several operations and fought hard to get fit and force their way back into the side. I think Whelan gave away possession more times on Saturday than in the whole of his Rovers career. Add to that the fact that Hoole and Gordon looked totally lost as he took up strange positions and they didn't know if they were meant to stay with their own men, or cover the gaps that Whelan created. I know Whelan has been outstanding for us, but if Alfie had played equally as badly, the forum would have been on meltdown. It seems that it is incredibly hard for local youngsters to make it. Since the (first) John Ward days we cannot have had more than 3 or 4 local lads come through to play 100 games. (ie not Ellis or Locks). Yet in that time at least 2 of our released youngsters have played over 100 premier games (Mings and Barnes). Maybe just my age but football (and footballers) seemed happier in the days of Stewie, Archie (Lee), Gravy and Maddison. Although, both Marcus Stewart and Browning were not that happy as both left BRFC to play elsewhere. I do agree, BRFC should be developing and bringing youngsters through to play in our first; unfortunately, BRFC seem more interested in developing and then selling youngsters on to the highest bidder.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 20, 2022 12:58:11 GMT
Why do we not rate our own local players? Alfie has played over 100 first team games, under several managers and like Ollie Clarke gets a lot of unfair criticism (in my opinion). Both have had terrible injuries that would have caused them to retire in the 70s and 80s - think Wayne Jones, Alan Evans, Lee Portch and Wayne Noble but they have both several operations and fought hard to get fit and force their way back into the side. I think Whelan gave away possession more times on Saturday than in the whole of his Rovers career. Add to that the fact that Hoole and Gordon looked totally lost as he took up strange positions and they didn't know if they were meant to stay with their own men, or cover the gaps that Whelan created. I know Whelan has been outstanding for us, but if Alfie had played equally as badly, the forum would have been on meltdown. It seems that it is incredibly hard for local youngsters to make it. Since the (first) John Ward days we cannot have had more than 3 or 4 local lads come through to play 100 games. (ie not Ellis or Locks). Yet in that time at least 2 of our released youngsters have played over 100 premier games (Mings and Barnes). Maybe just my age but football (and footballers) seemed happier in the days of Stewie, Archie (Lee), Gravy and Maddison. Although, both Marcus Stewart and Browning were not that happy as both left BRFC to play elsewhere. I do agree, BRFC should be developing and bringing youngsters through to play in our first; unfortunately, BRFC seem more interested in developing and then selling youngsters on to the highest bidder. What youngster's parents are going to turn down a Premiership club in order to stay at a L1/2, even if Rovers didn't want to sell them?
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Sept 20, 2022 13:08:58 GMT
To be fair to Gasheads it was during our relegation season. the move away seemed to have worked out well for Lines and Rovers. Yeah get that, but looking back over the years, Archer, Maddison, Browning back in the day, Ellis and Tom Lockyer now Alfie and Luca, nobody is giving Belshaw belters for diving the wrong way for penalties or his poorer performances this season, not releasing the ball quick enough etc. I remember when Stewart broke into the first team, there were a few on the Popular side who liked to give him a hard time if the occasion arose.
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