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Post by yattongas on Oct 12, 2022 15:38:42 GMT
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Post by curlywurly on Oct 12, 2022 18:07:30 GMT
On the face of it, this could be good news for many who can't get to games as regularly as we'd like. The Premier League, EFL and Scottish league are the outliers in this as most other leagues allow simultaneous broadcasting at the peak game times and have concluded that it has no bearing on attendances.
What worries me is that it may be the death knell for iFollow, depending on how the TV deal is negotiated. It would be likely that any EFL deal would be an exclusive one and probably the broadcasters would force the market towards a full season subscription deal, rather than the flexible pick and choose approach that iFollow allows. We'll see, but remember what happened to itv digital.
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Post by miltongas on Oct 12, 2022 18:52:08 GMT
Would it mean people staying at home to watch Liverpool vs Arsenal rather than coming to league games like ours? I think it’s a slippery slope to much lower attendances further down the league.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 12, 2022 18:56:32 GMT
On the face of it, this could be good news for many who can't get to games as regularly as we'd like. The Premier League, EFL and Scottish league are the outliers in this as most other leagues allow simultaneous broadcasting at the peak game times and have concluded that it has no bearing on attendances.
What worries me is that it may be the death knell for iFollow, depending on how the TV deal is negotiated. It would be likely that any EFL deal would be an exclusive one and probably the broadcasters would force the market towards a full season subscription deal, rather than the flexible pick and choose approach that iFollow allows. We'll see, but remember what happened to itv digital.
Apologies for the Daily Mail link ! 😂 |
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Post by neilv93 on Oct 12, 2022 18:57:53 GMT
On the face of it, this could be good news for many who can't get to games as regularly as we'd like. The Premier League, EFL and Scottish league are the outliers in this as most other leagues allow simultaneous broadcasting at the peak game times and have concluded that it has no bearing on attendances.
What worries me is that it may be the death knell for iFollow, depending on how the TV deal is negotiated. It would be likely that any EFL deal would be an exclusive one and probably the broadcasters would force the market towards a full season subscription deal, rather than the flexible pick and choose approach that iFollow allows. We'll see, but remember what happened to itv digital.
I do agree. Overall I support ending the black out (I do think it's outdated and hampers clubs abilities to market their own team/product) but I would MUCH prefer (wishful thinking incoming) a streamlined platformed service whereby I, as a fan of Bristol Rovers, can pay to watch specific Bristol Rovers games, or a package deal like a virtual season ticket. There has to be a middle ground for it to work, IMO. If we just get yet another subscription service to pay for in a world where Truss and Kwasi have bled us dry of all disposable income then that would be a bummer, unless it was a great offer. If, for example, Amazon bought the rights to all 1,891 games and all I need to do is subscribe to Prime for a tenner a month then I'm there if it means every Gas match is on my TV. On that note, really does baffle me that the PL/EFL haven't properly considered their own Disney+/WWE Network-equivalent app whereby they just sell their own product first hand. Fiver a month gets you Disney+, tenner for all WWE content... imagine an EFL app for even £20/m where there's access to all games at the click of a button... FWIW, I really don't believe the above would drastically affect attendances. The core supporters will still go every week IMO. |
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Post by bluebiro on Oct 12, 2022 19:10:22 GMT
Ten pounds on a Saturday with your mates round your house with cheap drink and food. What can go wrong?
Only works when demand outstrips supply. Will be the reaper for many clubs when this happens
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Post by Gas-Ed on Oct 12, 2022 19:12:14 GMT
Clubs like us rely on fans through the gates on a Saturday.
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Post by eric on Oct 12, 2022 19:16:51 GMT
I wouldn’t be looking to spend tens of millions on a new stadium if I owned a club and this ruling was on the horizon. IMO a slippery slope and the end of football as we know it once the current generation of attendees tails off.
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Post by bluebiro on Oct 12, 2022 19:21:18 GMT
I wouldn’t be looking to spend tens of millions on a new stadium if I owned a club and this ruling was on the horizon. IMO a slippery slope and the end of football as we know it once the current generation of attendees tails off. yep. 3k will be a good attendance in 5 years if still in the bottom leagues.no chance of a new stadium if this gets approved |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Oct 12, 2022 19:37:21 GMT
Clubs like us rely on fans through the gates on a Saturday. Would hit clubs outside the EFL - probably quite a few would go to the wall. |
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Post by casey12a on Oct 12, 2022 19:40:01 GMT
Let's face it it's not too difficult to watch Premier league or ifollow games at 3pm on Saturday if you want to and that hasn't impacted attendances. It depends on what deal they could get. It's an after thought for sky, may even bring ticket prices down.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Oct 12, 2022 19:59:58 GMT
This could be a nightmare for lower league clubs like us and needs to be strongly opposed.
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Post by bluebiro on Oct 12, 2022 20:00:40 GMT
Let's face it it's not too difficult to watch Premier league or ifollow games at 3pm on Saturday if you want to and that hasn't impacted attendances. It depends on what deal they could get. It's an after thought for sky, may even bring ticket prices down. if you go to the top games its all day trippers and tourists.at our level you won't see many putting us down as a must see stadium or game to go to. |
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Post by neilv93 on Oct 12, 2022 20:12:42 GMT
It all depends on the deal and what the clubs get out of it. For the sake of the debate, let's assume our attendances dropped by 2,000 on average (over 23 league games) at an average cost of £20 per ticket - that's a £920,000 hit. But if the deal, hypothetically, is worth £1m per season then it'd be worth it. Completely arbitrary and rough numbers of course but you get the point.
Realistically, £1m per season seems optimistic. But given the last deal was £595m for five seasons (i.e. £119m per season) divided by 72 clubs, that's £1.65m per season per club (not taking into account laddering given that Championship clubs would get the lions share and L1/2 a smaller slice of pie - probably 50/30/20-ish split).
ALL HYPOTHETICAL.
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Post by bluebiro on Oct 12, 2022 20:19:16 GMT
It all depends on the deal and what the clubs get out of it. For the sake of the debate, let's assume our attendances dropped by 2,000 on average (over 23 league games) at an average cost of £20 per ticket - that's a £920,000 hit. But if the deal, hypothetically, is worth £1m per season then it'd be worth it. Completely arbitrary and rough numbers of course but you get the point. Realistically, £1m per season seems optimistic. But given the last deal was £595m for five seasons (i.e. £119m per season) divided by 72 clubs, that's £1.65m per season per club (not taking into account laddering given that Championship clubs would get the lions share and L1/2 a smaller slice of pie - probably 50/30/20-ish split). ALL HYPOTHETICAL. championship would want their own deal. 1 and 2 would get the bare minimum. You can see the attraction by the amount of live games sky show at our level |
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Post by casey12a on Oct 12, 2022 20:21:08 GMT
Let's face it it's not too difficult to watch Premier league or ifollow games at 3pm on Saturday if you want to and that hasn't impacted attendances. It depends on what deal they could get. It's an after thought for sky, may even bring ticket prices down. if you go to the top games its all day trippers and tourists.at our level you won't see many putting us down as a must see stadium or game to go to. I'm not saying that suddenly thousands from Norway are going to flock to the mem 3 times a season. The point is rovers fans not going because they can watch a Premier league game instead impacting our attendance. That's not too difficult to do now and it hasn't impacted them. |
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Post by neilv93 on Oct 12, 2022 20:23:32 GMT
It all depends on the deal and what the clubs get out of it. For the sake of the debate, let's assume our attendances dropped by 2,000 on average (over 23 league games) at an average cost of £20 per ticket - that's a £920,000 hit. But if the deal, hypothetically, is worth £1m per season then it'd be worth it. Completely arbitrary and rough numbers of course but you get the point. Realistically, £1m per season seems optimistic. But given the last deal was £595m for five seasons (i.e. £119m per season) divided by 72 clubs, that's £1.65m per season per club (not taking into account laddering given that Championship clubs would get the lions share and L1/2 a smaller slice of pie - probably 50/30/20-ish split). ALL HYPOTHETICAL. championship would want their own deal. 1 and 2 would get the bare minimum. You can see the attraction by the amount of live games sky show at our level Not disputing that, I think they would but at the same time, they're not their own league like the PL - they're part of the EFL and are part of whatever deal the EFL agrees to. |
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Post by eric on Oct 12, 2022 20:31:44 GMT
It all depends on the deal and what the clubs get out of it. For the sake of the debate, let's assume our attendances dropped by 2,000 on average (over 23 league games) at an average cost of £20 per ticket - that's a £920,000 hit. But if the deal, hypothetically, is worth £1m per season then it'd be worth it. Completely arbitrary and rough numbers of course but you get the point. Realistically, £1m per season seems optimistic. But given the last deal was £595m for five seasons (i.e. £119m per season) divided by 72 clubs, that's £1.65m per season per club (not taking into account laddering given that Championship clubs would get the lions share and L1/2 a smaller slice of pie - probably 50/30/20-ish split). ALL HYPOTHETICAL. I remember watching games during lockdown - awful lack of atmosphere with no fans. Moving from big (ish) crowds and great atmospheres would gradually kill off the game at our level. |
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 12, 2022 20:32:38 GMT
On the face of it, this could be good news for many who can't get to games as regularly as we'd like. The Premier League, EFL and Scottish league are the outliers in this as most other leagues allow simultaneous broadcasting at the peak game times and have concluded that it has no bearing on attendances.
What worries me is that it may be the death knell for iFollow, depending on how the TV deal is negotiated. It would be likely that any EFL deal would be an exclusive one and probably the broadcasters would force the market towards a full season subscription deal, rather than the flexible pick and choose approach that iFollow allows. We'll see, but remember what happened to itv digital.
I guess what’s best for non-attending fans and football aren’t necessarily the same. On the face of it the clubs in the EFL and non-League could be worried that people will stay at home with attendances falling. In the short term I’m not sure that’s the case. Nearly everyone I speak to rarely watch the PL on TV. They may watch European Cup matches mid-week but I would still rather watch a live game above watching on TV. I think the personal connection between fans and clubs would overcome a live 3.00 match in PL or The Championship. Of course away attendances may be different they could well be down. This could well be aimed at an overseas audience more than a domestic one. But I do think this will be a slow burner insofar as fans of my generation and under may well be getting tired of all this televised football and will still support their local clubs I’m not sure it will be the same for youngsters in the future. If they see supporting their clubs in terms of watching it on the box then generations will be lost to lower league clubs and the effect of this will not be seen until way into the future. Whenever there’s change it’s not usually received well and most football fans lower down the league are traditionalists but football and it’s fans are remarkably resilient and usually find a way to respond. We heard that Covid would cause clubs to go bankrupt but not a single league club went under, nor did any senior non-league clubs (although Dover nearly did). So I wouldn’t expect this, if it happens, to change much in the short term. I guess if it happens then the terms of the agreement and how much money it generates for League 1 and League 2 will be the deciding factor in whether we thinks it’s a good idea or not. I’m a traditionalist so still think 3.00 on a Saturday afternoon should be sacrosanct for live football only but I’m afraid that stable door was shut in 1992 with the PL and Sky. They are much more likely to listen to the fans in the Far East than a middle-aged dinosaur who would love to see the top games played on a Saturday 3.00. UTG! |
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Post by bluebiro on Oct 12, 2022 20:46:23 GMT
If there are 5 of you and its 20 quid each to attend a game or a tenner at home for all of you where do you go? non brainer. we don't have a fan base in London or abroad that will keep us afloat when this happens.
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