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Post by eric on Oct 13, 2022 9:52:08 GMT
Agree. It leaves me disappointed in him and the guff about being a Gashead rings rather hollow. Why did he run it down? Presumably because no-one was prepared to pay a fee for him. For personal gain. He would of been a lot more attractive as a signing without a fee and probably got a slightly better wage because his new club didn’t have to fork out 250k to sign him. Of course it was for personal gain. He’s a professional footballer, it’s his career. I bet everyone single person on here has changed employers and 99% of the time it will have been for personal financial gain. He gave everything for the quarters while he was here, probably more than any other player in that period. I remember him playing on having lost his teeth in a challenge when he was still a teenager. Not many modern players show that commitment. He stayed and helped us get promoted after we dropped out of the league. I don’t disbelieve his love of the club and wasn’t the slightest bit surprised that he chose to watch us on his night off. A top bloke and very genuine.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 13, 2022 10:00:24 GMT
For personal gain. He would of been a lot more attractive as a signing without a fee and probably got a slightly better wage because his new club didn’t have to fork out 250k to sign him. Of course it was for personal gain. He’s a professional footballer, it’s his career. I bet everyone single person on here has changed employers and 99% of the time it will have been for personal financial gain. He gave everything for the quarters while he was here, probably more than any other player in that period. I remember him playing on having lost his teeth in a challenge when he was still a teenager. Not many modern players show that commitment. He stayed and helped us get promoted after we dropped out of the league. I don’t disbelieve his love of the club and wasn’t the slightest bit surprised that he chose to watch us on his night off. A top bloke and very genuine. He could still of got his move ( and a bloody good wage) and ensured the ‘his’ club got a fee .
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Post by dudelebowski on Oct 13, 2022 10:01:23 GMT
Slight disappointment we didn’t get good money for TL, became a top quality defender after an iffy start in that position but always liked the lad and was integral to our rise back from National League humiliation.
Was also in the away end at Donny when we won 3-1 up there 2017/2018 season.
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Post by hollyhillgas on Oct 13, 2022 10:42:49 GMT
The club treated Steve Elliot pretty shabbily, can't blame Tom Lockyer.
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 13, 2022 10:45:37 GMT
Locks is a top guy and 100% he still loves the gas. Would not be surprised in the slightest if he ever came back and I for one dont begrudge him his move to CAFC when he went there.
People forget that when he left, we had hit our ceiling really, we had started to struggle until Cogs steadied the ship. At that point its not hard to understand why he didnt sign an extention to his contract. He acted in his best interests and probably got a couple of grand a week pay rise plus a nice signing on fee.
Also, he hates City, loves winding them up and has scored against them a couple of times too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 10:51:19 GMT
Of course it was for personal gain. He’s a professional footballer, it’s his career. I bet everyone single person on here has changed employers and 99% of the time it will have been for personal financial gain. He gave everything for the quarters while he was here, probably more than any other player in that period. I remember him playing on having lost his teeth in a challenge when he was still a teenager. Not many modern players show that commitment. He stayed and helped us get promoted after we dropped out of the league. I don’t disbelieve his love of the club and wasn’t the slightest bit surprised that he chose to watch us on his night off. A top bloke and very genuine. He could still of got his move ( and a bloody good wage) and ensured the ‘his’ club got a fee . To be honest I think the evidence shows that isn't true. Even as a free agent his proposed deal to Hull fell through. At a relatively late stage he got a move to Charlton, who had been shrinking their budget to the point they were relegated that season. If he was going to cost £200k as well then he may well not got a move to the Championship at all, or indeed any notable league one side. So I don't begrudge him doing hat he felt he needed to do in order to taste championship football one bit. Had he not done so he might not be in the championship today and might not have the Wales caps he has.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 10:57:01 GMT
He needed Championship football if he was to cement a place in the Welsh squad which he really wanted. If he signed a new contract and the club wanted a fee of say £200,000 plus then he would have found it even harder than he did to find a Championship side. Bear in mind a lot of the fans did not rate him despite the loyalty and commitment he showed in club in difficult times.
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Post by eric on Oct 13, 2022 11:03:33 GMT
Of course it was for personal gain. He’s a professional footballer, it’s his career. I bet everyone single person on here has changed employers and 99% of the time it will have been for personal financial gain. He gave everything for the quarters while he was here, probably more than any other player in that period. I remember him playing on having lost his teeth in a challenge when he was still a teenager. Not many modern players show that commitment. He stayed and helped us get promoted after we dropped out of the league. I don’t disbelieve his love of the club and wasn’t the slightest bit surprised that he chose to watch us on his night off. A top bloke and very genuine. He could still of got his move ( and a bloody good wage) and ensured the ‘his’ club got a fee . A club paying a fee would have been to his own personal detriment, he’d have had less wages and a lower signing on fee. Lockyer isn’t going to end his career as a multi millionaire so easy for others to criticise him when we’d have all done the same. He arrived at Rovers for nothing and left for nothing having given everything for the club whilst he was here. People criticise footballers for having no loyalty and “contracts mean nothing these days” and yet when a player faultlessly completes their contract they get criticised. A player the club doesn’t want just gets discarded the same as the litter swept off the terraces if the club choose not to offer new deals. We can’t expect to have it both ways and need to stop looking at these situations through blue tinted fan glasses.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Oct 13, 2022 11:05:23 GMT
I think Tommy's long service for us repaid any transfer fee lost. Yes he was paid for his time here, and yes he could have signed a new deal to get us a fee, but I don't think we owe each other anything. I used to know someone who lived close to Ellis and Tom and he said Tom was the model professional, didn't get into trouble or go out partying. Ellis on the other hand...
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Post by toggsy2 on Oct 13, 2022 11:42:40 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me if he came back on a loan agreement in the January window make the call Joey
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Post by eric on Oct 13, 2022 11:48:07 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me if he came back on a loan agreement in the January window make the call Joey I’d be surprised if that happened, he’s been starting recently in a higher division. I can definitely see him coming back towards the end of his career though.
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Oct 13, 2022 11:53:43 GMT
He could have signed a contract, put himself in the shop window and had a low release clause. Someone else did this but got a hell of a slating because of how it all happened and where he went. Forgot the blokes name. Slipped my mind like a slippy slidy thing like a snake 🤔
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Post by toggsy2 on Oct 13, 2022 11:57:01 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me if he came back on a loan agreement in the January window make the call Joey I’d be surprised if that happened, he’s been starting recently in a higher division. I can definitely see him coming back towards the end of his career though. I thought he was out of favour at Luton at the present
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Post by lastminutewinner on Oct 13, 2022 11:57:36 GMT
He could have signed a contract, put himself in the shop window and had a low release clause. Someone else did this but got a hell of a slating because of how it all happened and where he went. Forgot the blokes name. Slipped my mind like a slippy slidy thing like a snake 🤔 Very different though, id have no problem with the snake if he went to any club but that one. Tom had every right to tun down a new contract.
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Post by toggsy2 on Oct 13, 2022 12:05:40 GMT
Running down his contract made him more of an attractive prospect as he was available on free signing a new contract would have made the move to a championship club more difficult. And for those with short memories he activated his release clause when Charlton were relegated to get his move to Luton he needed Championship football to further his international career
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Post by lastminutewinner on Oct 13, 2022 12:23:32 GMT
Running down his contract made him more of an attractive prospect as he was available on free signing a new contract would have made the move to a championship club more difficult. And for those with short memories he activated his release clause when Charlton were relegated to get his move to Luton he needed Championship football to further his international career It obviously helps, but you don't need to be in the Champ to get into the Wales squad. Matthew Smith is and he plays for MK Dons
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Post by eric on Oct 13, 2022 15:17:21 GMT
I’d be surprised if that happened, he’s been starting recently in a higher division. I can definitely see him coming back towards the end of his career though. I thought he was out of favour at Luton at the present I think he was sub a bit early season but more recently (when I’ve looked) he’s been starting.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 13, 2022 15:24:58 GMT
For personal gain. He would of been a lot more attractive as a signing without a fee and probably got a slightly better wage because his new club didn’t have to fork out 250k to sign him. Of course it was for personal gain. He’s a professional footballer, it’s his career. I bet everyone single person on here has changed employers and 99% of the time it will have been for personal financial gain. He gave everything for the quarters while he was here, probably more than any other player in that period. I remember him playing on having lost his teeth in a challenge when he was still a teenager. Not many modern players show that commitment. He stayed and helped us get promoted after we dropped out of the league. I don’t disbelieve his love of the club and wasn’t the slightest bit surprised that he chose to watch us on his night off. A top bloke and very genuine. Yes, he is a professional footballer so he will do that. No problem. Yet somehow another player who did sign a new contract for us, making sure we got £300k gets absolutely slaughtered on here and every time we play his new team. When we went out of the league I’m not sure many other clubs were queuing up to get Tom or if he was even out of contract. If he wasn’t out of contract then he stayed to honour his contract, no more. And, like you, I don’t disbelieve his ‘love’ for the club either but it sure was a strange way to show it, running down his contract. I like Tom and hope he achieves all he can with Luton but the hypocrisy in the different way two players are treated is stark. I’m presuming the BCFC 1982 factor comes into play to make it different. Is that it? UTG!
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Oct 13, 2022 16:12:32 GMT
Back to back promotions. Took on the captaincy at a young age. 200+ games. We got our moneys worth out of Tom, no doubt. I’d like to see him back at the Gas some day but not sure that will come to pass unless we improve our position.
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Post by eric on Oct 13, 2022 16:22:57 GMT
Of course it was for personal gain. He’s a professional footballer, it’s his career. I bet everyone single person on here has changed employers and 99% of the time it will have been for personal financial gain. He gave everything for the quarters while he was here, probably more than any other player in that period. I remember him playing on having lost his teeth in a challenge when he was still a teenager. Not many modern players show that commitment. He stayed and helped us get promoted after we dropped out of the league. I don’t disbelieve his love of the club and wasn’t the slightest bit surprised that he chose to watch us on his night off. A top bloke and very genuine. Yes, he is a professional footballer so he will do that. No problem. Yet somehow another player who did sign a new contract for us, making sure we got £300k gets absolutely slaughtered on here and every time we play his new team. When we went out of the league I’m not sure many other clubs were queuing up to get Tom or if he was even out of contract. If he wasn’t out of contract then he stayed to honour his contract, no more. And, like you, I don’t disbelieve his ‘love’ for the club either but it sure was a strange way to show it, running down his contract. I like Tom and hope he achieves all he can with Luton but the hypocrisy in the different way two players are treated is stark. I’m presuming the BCFC 1982 factor comes into play to make it different. Is that it? UTG! You won’t find me slaughtering Taylor. I have to admit I do find it strange when people often moan (not you but generally) about footballers and that there is “no loyalty in football these days” and “a contract isn’t worth the paper it’s written on these days” but players get slaughtered whatever they do. If they leave 1 year into a 4 year deal they are a traitor for leaving during their contract but if they see out the full length of their contract then they are accused of cynically running down their contract and disrespecting the club. If I was a player and arrived at a club for no fee and gave excellent service I’d have no hesitation in seeing out my contract if I knew I was in demand and could secure myself a hefty pay rise, a nice signing on fee and enhance my career. Players careers are short and they have families to think about too. We (the club) benefit from the Bosman rule as much as anyone else. Most of our signings are players who have run their contracts down. We win some we lose some, that’s just part of the modern game. Although it can be frustrating it’s better than the old days when clubs could hold a players registration when their contract ran down.
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