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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Nov 2, 2022 19:29:09 GMT
Perhaps a new project could take its place? I am sure that the Community Trust could use additional monies and as this is not run by any supporters groups, it gets support (sic) from the football club - unlike any of the support groups as mentioned previously. I know people talk about natural evolution, but it does seem strange that Helpline is joining the Young Pirates, Presidents Club, Blue Diamond club and even the Pirates skittles club as "former" fans organisations that have disappeared in the last few years. It can't all be covid? Imagine the future with no personalities and unsung heroes like Ray Kendall, Bernie Green, Steve Burns, John Keyes, Jim Chappell, Gordon Bennett, Peter Terry, Martyn Radenage, Uncle Albert, Keith Brookman et Al helping the club they love. All to be replaced with half hearted outsourced agency staff. Its not the same. Has the Young Pirates ceased to exist completely? Very sad if so, when my son was a member they used to run a YP coach to some away games, and we'd often play football against the home team's young supporters before going to the stadium. Millwall was one of the trips where we were made most welcome, the Young Lions organisers worked very hard to show that the club had a friendly side to it.
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Post by herbertblake on Nov 2, 2022 19:43:02 GMT
Screen soccer Dave Rogers & Andy Warren. Programme Editor. Keith Brookman. Tony Mills refs Co ordinator. Martyn & Kate Radnedge Helpline. Mo Bell Blue Diamond Club. Ron Cocks Match day volunter. Derek the team sheet guy. Lots of genuine loyal gasheads told they are no longer required. Sad our club has changed so much in pursuit of so called improving the matchday experience or making it more professional!
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Post by padstow on Nov 2, 2022 19:58:10 GMT
Screen soccer Dave Rogers & Andy Warren. Programme Editor. Keith Brookman. Tony Mills refs Co ordinator. Martyn & Kate Radnedge Helpline. Mo Bell Blue Diamond Club. Ron Cocks Match day volunter. Derek the team sheet guy. Lots of genuine loyal gasheads told they are no longer required. Sad our club has changed so much in pursuit of so called improving the matchday experience or making it more professional! Not working is it
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Post by makecoalyourgoal on Nov 2, 2022 21:44:19 GMT
Got my letter and have cancelled the standing order. As said by others, as an exile it was a good way of supporting the Club and guaranteeing a ticket for the big matches but all things must pass. The bizarre thing was I actually won £500 within weeks of joining Helpline, in I think a Christmas special draw at Twerton. After the win I fully expected regular wins but over the years I had a 3 or 4 £25 vouchers which I used as part payment for a tyre, some wood filler and emulsion paint. No complaints and many thanks to the organisers.
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Post by mftc on Nov 3, 2022 8:02:58 GMT
Screen soccer Dave Rogers & Andy Warren. Programme Editor. Keith Brookman. Tony Mills refs Co ordinator. Martyn & Kate Radnedge Helpline. Mo Bell Blue Diamond Club. Ron Cocks Match day volunter. Derek the team sheet guy. Lots of genuine loyal gasheads told they are no longer required. Sad our club has changed so much in pursuit of so called improving the matchday experience or making it more professional! Not working is it Don't worry. We have Ticketmaster! We have replaced genuine friendly faces, who try to do their best for the club, with "professional" rent-a-mob organisations. Tickets, stewards and sales teams etc. I doubt if any Gasheads would say their match day experience has improved by any of the new lot compared to the loyal people that were there before. Its just a good job that Wael is throwing his money to support Joey by providing him with a huge (in Rovers terms) budget, so the team is good, cos apart from Pete in the shop and the fanzone most things are going downhill.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Nov 3, 2022 8:57:13 GMT
Don't worry. We have Ticketmaster! We have replaced genuine friendly faces, who try to do their best for the club, with "professional" rent-a-mob organisations. Tickets, stewards and sales teams etc. I doubt if any Gasheads would say their match day experience has improved by any of the new lot compared to the loyal people that were there before. Its just a good job that Wael is throwing his money to support Joey by providing him with a huge (in Rovers terms) budget, so the team is good, cos apart from Pete in the shop and the fanzone most things are going downhill. I’ve dealt with Clare this season, and, as always she has been excellent. The stewarding inside the ground is one of the worst parts of the matchday experience.
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Post by madridgas on Nov 3, 2022 10:08:00 GMT
Martyn Radnedge - th term ‘unsung hero’ is perfect for him, years of dedication, hard graft an fundraiser extraordinaire especially when we needed it th most. Came up with a great idea ‘Helpline’ along with his wife I believe (who also should be recognised) that continued for decades. Martin, if yous read this I salute you 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 I hope you feel pride in what yous achieved an enjoy th rest that you so deserve. And finally - THANK YOU! Echo these comments. In the past I dealt with Kate who was always amazingly helpful. Yes, things change, not always for the better. For someone like me, who flies into the UK principally to watch the Gas, it is the friendship of my fellow London Gas that makes the experience, be it the great equaliser at Weds or the disappointing result at Derby, both were special days for me. Hopefully Tom realises that the Claire's & Pete's of their team are so important.
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Post by wertongas on Nov 3, 2022 15:14:35 GMT
Screen soccer Dave Rogers & Andy Warren. Programme Editor. Keith Brookman. Tony Mills refs Co ordinator. Martyn & Kate Radnedge Helpline. Mo Bell Blue Diamond Club. Ron Cocks Match day volunter. Derek the team sheet guy. Lots of genuine loyal gasheads told they are no longer required. Sad our club has changed so much in pursuit of so called improving the matchday experience or making it more professional! Not working is it Not when 60 year old fans have to clamber over the turnstiles to get into the ground on match days because their season ticket cards are not working and allot of the fund raising organisations are being phased out. I DON'T Want to Knock the club, but allot of the clubs togetherness is disappearing, it is a shame.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 4, 2022 6:25:00 GMT
Not when 60 year old fans have to clamber over the turnstiles to get into the ground on match days because their season ticket cards are not working and allot of the fund raising organisations are being phased out. I DON'T Want to Knock the club, but allot of the clubs togetherness is disappearing, it is a shame. It really isn’t, it’s just being replaced by the younger generation, actually employed by the club as well as the community trust having a much greater involvement. That’s the point that’s being missed in all of this. The older generation arranged lots of things independently. They had a spirit of togetherness. As those ones have gotten older, some of them have lost their energy to do things, the younger gasheads don’t want to do the things that were previously a hit as times have moved on, they haven’t invited the younger generation in to maintain their good work and as a result it’s just become a splinter group of a very small proportion of gasheads which doesn’t align with how the club is now being run. When that’s pointed out, especially by a young CEO, the line of “we don’t recognise the club” anymore is trotted out and perhaps that is true, but it’s because no one recognised the value in broadening the horizons of their little club to encompass a new and fresh approach as the years went by. Helpline served a purpose for what we were at Twerton and back at the Mem at the turn of the century. Now we live in different times, have a different operation, need different revenue streams and have a much broader model to accomplish that. There are also some cracking people behind the scenes that are serving the club very well that don’t want to be put on a pedestal, don’t need to be put on a pedestal and are quite happy not to have any known fanfare around them. I’m finding it quite refreshing.
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Post by imanobody on Nov 4, 2022 7:34:34 GMT
Just a thought about this situation, has Martin and his wife lost their job doing the helpline? Not sure if they were volunteering or were paid to run it. Well done guys for all your hard work over the years though 👏👏👏👏
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Post by possetgas on Nov 4, 2022 8:17:11 GMT
Not when 60 year old fans have to clamber over the turnstiles to get into the ground on match days because their season ticket cards are not working and allot of the fund raising organisations are being phased out. I DON'T Want to Knock the club, but allot of the clubs togetherness is disappearing, it is a shame. It really isn’t, it’s just being replaced by the younger generation, actually employed by the club as well as the community trust having a much greater involvement. That’s the point that’s being missed in all of this. The older generation arranged lots of things independently. They had a spirit of togetherness. As those ones have gotten older, some of them have lost their energy to do things, the younger gasheads don’t want to do the things that were previously a hit as times have moved on, they haven’t invited the younger generation in to maintain their good work and as a result it’s just become a splinter group of a very small proportion of gasheads which doesn’t align with how the club is now being run. When that’s pointed out, especially by a young CEO, the line of “we don’t recognise the club” anymore is trotted out and perhaps that is true, but it’s because no one recognised the value in broadening the horizons of their little club to encompass a new and fresh approach as the years went by. Helpline served a purpose for what we were at Twerton and back at the Mem at the turn of the century. Now we live in different times, have a different operation, need different revenue streams and have a much broader model to accomplish that. There are also some cracking people behind the scenes that are serving the club very well that don’t want to be put on a pedestal, don’t need to be put on a pedestal and are quite happy not to have any known fanfare around them. I’m finding it quite refreshing. Perfectly put.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Nov 4, 2022 8:36:55 GMT
i do not know how much money helpline raised in a year but if the club is in such a healthy state that they don't need or want these voluntary contributions anymore that's wonderful yet i can't help feeling that the community trust, gas girls, the youth teams and such could have benefitted from the donations, i never saw my membership as a tool to get priority tickets and never used it as such, just doing my bit for the club, as for all the recent changes well i have nothing against being more 'professional' and keeping up with the times but not all change is for the better IMHO, can anyone really say that the new ticketing experience is better than the previous model?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 4, 2022 11:07:50 GMT
Not when 60 year old fans have to clamber over the turnstiles to get into the ground on match days because their season ticket cards are not working and allot of the fund raising organisations are being phased out. I DON'T Want to Knock the club, but allot of the clubs togetherness is disappearing, it is a shame. It really isn’t, it’s just being replaced by the younger generation, actually employed by the club as well as the community trust having a much greater involvement. That’s the point that’s being missed in all of this. The older generation arranged lots of things independently. They had a spirit of togetherness. As those ones have gotten older, some of them have lost their energy to do things, the younger gasheads don’t want to do the things that were previously a hit as times have moved on, they haven’t invited the younger generation in to maintain their good work and as a result it’s just become a splinter group of a very small proportion of gasheads which doesn’t align with how the club is now being run. When that’s pointed out, especially by a young CEO, the line of “we don’t recognise the club” anymore is trotted out and perhaps that is true, but it’s because no one recognised the value in broadening the horizons of their little club to encompass a new and fresh approach as the years went by. Helpline served a purpose for what we were at Twerton and back at the Mem at the turn of the century. Now we live in different times, have a different operation, need different revenue streams and have a much broader model to accomplish that. There are also some cracking people behind the scenes that are serving the club very well that don’t want to be put on a pedestal, don’t need to be put on a pedestal and are quite happy not to have any known fanfare around them. I’m finding it quite refreshing. Sounds a bit ageist to me. And there's nothing wrong with exploring different revenue streams - I think most Gas would embrace that - but it's not binary, it doesn't mean that you lift up the ladder on generations that got the club to where it is now (invariably no further forward on the pitch) as to when current CEO took director ship, or alienation of a fanbase because their consumption is with cash, or invoke tribunals of hard working servants to the club that were unfairly dismissed and settled out of court. There's a way to do things. And the way some of how the club has conducted it's business, is something I truly do not recognise...
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 4, 2022 11:45:49 GMT
It really isn’t, it’s just being replaced by the younger generation, actually employed by the club as well as the community trust having a much greater involvement. That’s the point that’s being missed in all of this. The older generation arranged lots of things independently. They had a spirit of togetherness. As those ones have gotten older, some of them have lost their energy to do things, the younger gasheads don’t want to do the things that were previously a hit as times have moved on, they haven’t invited the younger generation in to maintain their good work and as a result it’s just become a splinter group of a very small proportion of gasheads which doesn’t align with how the club is now being run. When that’s pointed out, especially by a young CEO, the line of “we don’t recognise the club” anymore is trotted out and perhaps that is true, but it’s because no one recognised the value in broadening the horizons of their little club to encompass a new and fresh approach as the years went by. Helpline served a purpose for what we were at Twerton and back at the Mem at the turn of the century. Now we live in different times, have a different operation, need different revenue streams and have a much broader model to accomplish that. There are also some cracking people behind the scenes that are serving the club very well that don’t want to be put on a pedestal, don’t need to be put on a pedestal and are quite happy not to have any known fanfare around them. I’m finding it quite refreshing. Sounds a bit ageist to me. And there's nothing wrong with exploring different revenue streams - I think most Gas would embrace that - but it's not binary, it doesn't mean that you lift up the ladder on generations that got the club to where it is now (invariably no further forward on the pitch) as to when current CEO took director ship, or alienation of a fanbase because their consumption is with cash, or invoke tribunals of hard working servants to the club that were unfairly dismissed and settled out of court. There's a way to do things. And the way some of how the club has conducted it's business, is something I truly do not recognise... Likewise and we are definitely on the same page. As i see or saw it, a FC is much more than setting up a cold business venture and was about nurturing and consolidating the fan base. I do not see that happening. I see cold business and little to no care for the people who served the club. We now have to hope that Wael continues to fund the losses as we have no independent groups who could step in, were he to decide that he has had enough. I am not scaremongering but just stating fact. If we faced another Twerton situation then where would we get any help from ? I don’t understand it but then there is a lot i don’t understand. I just feel distanced from the club right now.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 4, 2022 13:06:08 GMT
It really isn’t, it’s just being replaced by the younger generation, actually employed by the club as well as the community trust having a much greater involvement. That’s the point that’s being missed in all of this. The older generation arranged lots of things independently. They had a spirit of togetherness. As those ones have gotten older, some of them have lost their energy to do things, the younger gasheads don’t want to do the things that were previously a hit as times have moved on, they haven’t invited the younger generation in to maintain their good work and as a result it’s just become a splinter group of a very small proportion of gasheads which doesn’t align with how the club is now being run. When that’s pointed out, especially by a young CEO, the line of “we don’t recognise the club” anymore is trotted out and perhaps that is true, but it’s because no one recognised the value in broadening the horizons of their little club to encompass a new and fresh approach as the years went by. Helpline served a purpose for what we were at Twerton and back at the Mem at the turn of the century. Now we live in different times, have a different operation, need different revenue streams and have a much broader model to accomplish that. There are also some cracking people behind the scenes that are serving the club very well that don’t want to be put on a pedestal, don’t need to be put on a pedestal and are quite happy not to have any known fanfare around them. I’m finding it quite refreshing. Sounds a bit ageist to me. And there's nothing wrong with exploring different revenue streams - I think most Gas would embrace that - but it's not binary, it doesn't mean that you lift up the ladder on generations that got the club to where it is now (invariably no further forward on the pitch) as to when current CEO took director ship, or alienation of a fanbase because their consumption is with cash, or invoke tribunals of hard working servants to the club that were unfairly dismissed and settled out of court. There's a way to do things. And the way some of how the club has conducted it's business, is something I truly do not recognise... It's not ageist whatsoever, its called succession planning and its why the supporters club failed previously, for example. Many people held on to certain positions far too long, isolated many people, kept its own demographic and as a result it imploded in on itself. I'm not saying helpline went the same way as the old SC but where was the succession planning to keep it going? Where was the diversification of revenue and fresh ideas to keep it promoted and actually something beneficial to the club? There seems to be an absolute obsession with keeping legacy at this club, but not the legacy of what people created, but the people themselves. Whilst they are a very large part of history and very generous with their free time, there seems to be a desire for these ones almost to be immortalised in some way. Creating a legacy is really about being able to pass something on not a continuous receiving of plaudits for what you have done. As regards the rest of your post about tribunals and employment, I can't comment on it because I know nothing about it. All I will say is sometimes there needs to be a separation of parties and its never a pleasant experiences, regardless of whatever company or industry you are apart of, but to progress, sometimes these things need to be done, regardless of how harsh or "unrecognisable" it may be.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 4, 2022 13:26:21 GMT
Sounds a bit ageist to me. And there's nothing wrong with exploring different revenue streams - I think most Gas would embrace that - but it's not binary, it doesn't mean that you lift up the ladder on generations that got the club to where it is now (invariably no further forward on the pitch) as to when current CEO took director ship, or alienation of a fanbase because their consumption is with cash, or invoke tribunals of hard working servants to the club that were unfairly dismissed and settled out of court. There's a way to do things. And the way some of how the club has conducted it's business, is something I truly do not recognise... Likewise and we are definitely on the same page. As i see or saw it, a FC is much more than setting up a cold business venture and was about nurturing and consolidating the fan base. I do not see that happening. I see cold business and little to no care for the people who served the club. We now have to hope that Wael continues to fund the losses as we have no independent groups who could step in, were he to decide that he has had enough. I am not scaremongering but just stating fact. If we faced another Twerton situation then where would we get any help from ? I don’t understand it but then there is a lot i don’t understand. I just feel distanced from the club right now. The ability for independent supporters clubs to fund football clubs to compete at Championship and above level disappeared years ago. Exeter arent making a bad fist of it, but they will soon hit their ceiling. It did always make me laugh how the old SC kept £100k in a bank account in case their suspicions about Wael were proved to be true and they could use that to help fund their ownership of the club. £100k!! They would have run it for about 2 weeks. Us being reliant on Wael is no different from any other club or any other owner we have had. Its the only model available for clubs to survive in the present day. I think some need to open their eyes to the reality that football has to be about cold business now off the pitch to be able to deliver on the pitch. There is no room for sentimentality and if we ever get to the championship with a new stadium, it will get even more so. If you want to support a fluffy little club where theres more of a sense of actual community, by that I mean you know everyone personally other than your own supporter group, then you need to support a club in the National League or NLS like Bath City.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 13:49:21 GMT
Take your point 100%.
However there are some not so "Fluffy" little clubs that do have plans that are playing at Toolstation Prem and 1st Div and both Southern Leagues that could be on the cusp with a investor or they come into some money.
It wouldn't take millions and millions of pounds to achieve National League and Nat South to suddenly wake people up to say where the F**k did they come from. Just Saying dont right them off.
Although I take your point, and I am a massive Wael Fan. But if a club like ours starts to distance its self from our core values and core generational fan base, we do that at our peril.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 4, 2022 14:19:04 GMT
Take your point 100%. However there are some not so "Fluffy" little clubs that do have plans that are playing at Toolstation Prem and 1st Div and both Southern Leagues that could be on the cusp with a investor or they come into some money. It wouldn't take millions and millions of pounds to achieve National League and Nat South to suddenly wake people up to say where the F**k did they come from. Just Saying dont right them off. Although I take your point, and I am a massive Wael Fan. But if a club like ours starts to distance its self from our core values and core generational fan base, we do that at our peril. I quite agree, look at Fleetwood and Fylde for example. My point is, there is more of a family and community feel around a NL, NLS/N club than there is any league club simply because there is greater access or freedom of access. We used to have that freedom of access as fans, but now we dont. Is that distancing our fanbase? Well for some it might feel that way, but for the younger generation it may not as they know/will know a different Bristol Rovers playing in a completely different time in history. It's that loss of freedom of access which is causing the axe to grind with some. I dont see any loss of fanbase under JB yet, we've sold out most home games this season.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 4, 2022 19:41:34 GMT
Likewise and we are definitely on the same page. As i see or saw it, a FC is much more than setting up a cold business venture and was about nurturing and consolidating the fan base. I do not see that happening. I see cold business and little to no care for the people who served the club. We now have to hope that Wael continues to fund the losses as we have no independent groups who could step in, were he to decide that he has had enough. I am not scaremongering but just stating fact. If we faced another Twerton situation then where would we get any help from ? I don’t understand it but then there is a lot i don’t understand. I just feel distanced from the club right now. The ability for independent supporters clubs to fund football clubs to compete at Championship and above level disappeared years ago. Exeter arent making a bad fist of it, but they will soon hit their ceiling. It did always make me laugh how the old SC kept £100k in a bank account in case their suspicions about Wael were proved to be true and they could use that to help fund their ownership of the club. £100k!! They would have run it for about 2 weeks. Us being reliant on Wael is no different from any other club or any other owner we have had. Its the only model available for clubs to survive in the present day. I think some need to open their eyes to the reality that football has to be about cold business now off the pitch to be able to deliver on the pitch. There is no room for sentimentality and if we ever get to the championship with a new stadium, it will get even more so. If you want to support a fluffy little club where theres more of a sense of actual community, by that I mean you know everyone personally other than your own supporter group, then you need to support a club in the National League or NLS like Bath City. Like I said.... I don't recognise. There's huge sentiment in football, it's based on community values and sharing of times and occasions. It's partly what draws our loyalty back to the same venue every fortnight, and away too. If we become as cold as your post suggests the times are a changin..... someone sang that once..... But I know we're not there yet because a few of all ages, sexes, races etc some even not from or living in Bristol are "old school" and you know what? Their penny is worth exactly the same as everyone else's....or contactless card, if you prefer.
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Post by wertongas on Nov 4, 2022 20:52:29 GMT
i do not know how much money helpline raised in a year but if the club is in such a healthy state that they don't need or want these voluntary contributions anymore that's wonderful yet i can't help feeling that the community trust, gas girls, the youth teams and such could have benefitted from the donations, i never saw my membership as a tool to get priority tickets and never used it as such, just doing my bit for the club, as for all the recent changes well i have nothing against being more 'professional' and keeping up with the times but not all change is for the better IMHO, can anyone really say that the new ticketing experience is better than the previous model? If the club doesn't need our money through fundraising and has plenty of money, why do we still have cheap rented tents as stands?, why not spend some of the money on improving the stadium.
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