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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 5, 2023 14:35:42 GMT
I doubt anyone knows about his contract, apart from him, his agent and the Club. The fact is, dropping him, replacing him, has done nothing but ruin the spirit and therefore the performance of the squad. Hence, yet another disheartened performance yesterday. We've been playing poorly and losing since around mid December, there's more to it than just dropping Belshaw. The problem is once the not sets in it takes some turning around. No surprise to me that's when Rossiter last played. Also I think its had an impact on Finley as he doesnt seem to be the driving force he can be. Everything now seems a bit slow and pedestrian and the passing is woeful in pretty much every game of late and the turnover in possession must be pretty high.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 5, 2023 14:37:13 GMT
When JB sets a precedent, like he's done with Belshaw, that mistakes can see you dropped and replaced, you're going to get timid, nervous performances. Absolutely Appalling man management His man management is so bad that Luke Thomas spoke about Barton giving him a kick up the backside was exactly what he needed at the time. This was said in an interview after LT had left us, so he could easily have said what he liked, if the truth was different. I don't think Belshaw looked timid or nervous, in the match following JB talking about him in an interview. I don't agree with dropping him, although I don't think it will affect his performances when he gets back in the team.
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Feb 5, 2023 16:06:15 GMT
I don’t particularly agree with Belshaw being dropped but I do agree that he needed stronger competition to push him on… I also agree with the sentiment that if a player consistently makes mistakes in a game week after week then they should be dropped or taken out of the firing line - both for the teams and their benefit. It’s not appalling man management. Like I said, I don’t think Belshaw fell into that category and I don’t believe he should have been dropped but in order to get a keeper similar in style to him and decent who would push him, we had to agree to certain conditions for the loan and I understand that… Belshaw was injured yesterday - his rib and whilst he could have had an injection to play, Barton (rightly in my opinion) said for him to rest and sit out as he was going to be on the bench for the reasons we all know…. Blue stick "I also agree with the sentiment that if a player consistently makes mistakes in a game week after week then they should be dropped or taken out of the firing line - both for the teams and their benefit. It’s not appalling man management." Of course. But to make comments in public when interviewed, that is appalling man management. He did the same to the left back, Clarke, he made similar comments after the Morecambe game. I would argue he pretty much guaranteed us relegation at the end of 21 season when he slagged off pretty much the whole team. It's just unprofessional. Fair comment…. I personally don’t think he’s done anything wrong - he said in public he felt Belshaw needed better competition and that Balcombe played because of the loan agreement… yes he said Belly has made a few mistakes but he’s also always said what a top keeper he is… I personally don’t think he’s done any bad man management there…. Clarke I agree with back in the summer although I think he was doing a last chance kick up the jacksy move and with last season, I don’t think he said anything that any of us wasn’t thinking… I think again it was about trying to get a response as nothing else was working but I can appreciate where you’re coming from… we just have slightly different perspectives….
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Post by eric on Feb 5, 2023 16:07:28 GMT
To answer your question Pirate, absolutely no idea, was assured last night that the dressing room isn't lost as such, but a strange place to be and odd goings on. If I had to take a guess JB is distracted elsewhere and bringing it into work, something isn't right that's for sure. I found it interesting that JB gave himself 5 out of 10 for the Jan window activity, yet Mangan regarded it as a decent month business wise, I know we all have different opinions but aren't these two glued at the hip? Why guess at JB being distracted when you clearly haven't a clue what's going on? JB seemed pretty buoyant on HAG with 20men, I doubt he'd have bothered appearing if he had issues elsewhere. He also explained in some detail when January hadn't been as good as he'd hoped it would be. I just hope the Belshaw situation, whatever it is, is now starting to affect the entire squad. He said he had no idea and guessed at what may have happened. Yesterday you said there had been a major fall out between JB and Belshaw - I presume that was a guess too but not sure as you didn’t actually say. Of course you may be ITK on that particular issue?
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Post by oldie on Feb 5, 2023 16:15:29 GMT
Blue stick "I also agree with the sentiment that if a player consistently makes mistakes in a game week after week then they should be dropped or taken out of the firing line - both for the teams and their benefit. It’s not appalling man management." Of course. But to make comments in public when interviewed, that is appalling man management. He did the same to the left back, Clarke, he made similar comments after the Morecambe game. I would argue he pretty much guaranteed us relegation at the end of 21 season when he slagged off pretty much the whole team. It's just unprofessional. Fair comment…. I personally don’t think he’s done anything wrong - he said in public he felt Belshaw needed better competition and that Balcombe played because of the loan agreement… yes he said Belly has made a few mistakes but he’s also always said what a top keeper he is… I personally don’t think he’s done any bad man management there…. Clarke I agree with back in the summer although I think he was doing a last chance kick up the jacksy move and with last season, I don’t think he said anything that any of us wasn’t thinking… I think again it was about trying to get a response as nothing else was working but I can appreciate where you’re coming from… we just have slightly different perspectives…. 👍👍
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Post by baggins on Feb 5, 2023 17:24:43 GMT
Just as an aside, when did stopping play to allow a player to put his boot back on become a thing?
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Post by c4h10 on Feb 5, 2023 17:42:39 GMT
Just as an aside, when did stopping play to allow a player to put his boot back on become a thing? I think yesterday's ref was very much his own man, with his own interpretation of the rules. Having said that - we still deserved to lose, despite him.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2023 18:15:02 GMT
Why guess at JB being distracted when you clearly haven't a clue what's going on? JB seemed pretty buoyant on HAG with 20men, I doubt he'd have bothered appearing if he had issues elsewhere. He also explained in some detail when January hadn't been as good as he'd hoped it would be. I just hope the Belshaw situation, whatever it is, is now starting to affect the entire squad. He said he had no idea and guessed at what may have happened. Yesterday you said there had been a major fall out between JB and Belshaw - I presume that was a guess too but not sure as you didn’t actually say. Of course you may be ITK on that particular issue? Given I said "personally" it seems pretty obvious it was my own personal views, if JB and Belshaw haven't had a fall out of some kind, even if it's only over Belshaw's recent form, then surely he would still be our No 1.
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Post by aghast on Feb 5, 2023 18:24:43 GMT
Absolutely Appalling man management His man management is so bad that Luke Thomas spoke about Barton giving him a kick up the backside was exactly what he needed at the time. This was said in an interview after LT had left us, so he could easily have said what he liked, if the truth was different. I don't think Belshaw looked timid or nervous, in the match following JB talking about him in an interview. I don't agree with dropping him, although I don't think it will affect his performances when he gets back in the team. That kind of approach works for some players as a motivation, but not for others, as we've seen with Bobby Thomas. It appears it is the default tactic with Barton, since those kind of comments have been made on several occasions, and it's going to upset some people. Of course I'm not at the training ground nor privy to private conversations between players and manager, so it is entirely possible that JB tries hard behind the scenes to get the best out of them before going public. We'll never know about that.
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Post by DrFaustus on Feb 5, 2023 18:55:22 GMT
Just as an aside, when did stopping play to allow a player to put his boot back on become a thing? I think yesterday's ref was very much his own man, with his own interpretation of the rules. Having said that - we still deserved to lose, despite him. The ref yesterday made that cretin Bobby Madden look competent.
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Post by oldie on Feb 5, 2023 19:17:40 GMT
His man management is so bad that Luke Thomas spoke about Barton giving him a kick up the backside was exactly what he needed at the time. This was said in an interview after LT had left us, so he could easily have said what he liked, if the truth was different. I don't think Belshaw looked timid or nervous, in the match following JB talking about him in an interview. I don't agree with dropping him, although I don't think it will affect his performances when he gets back in the team. That kind of approach works for some players as a motivation, but not for others, as we've seen with Bobby Thomas. It appears it is the default tactic with Barton, since those kind of comments have been made on several occasions, and it's going to upset some people. Of course I'm not at the training ground nor privy to private conversations between players and manager, so it is entirely possible that JB tries hard behind the scenes to get the best out of them before going public. We'll never know about that. But the question remains, why go public? Why try to humiliate players that way? For me, that sort of behaviour exposes psychological flaws that would get you removed as a senior manager/director in any properly run business with shareholders. Shareholders that consider their own reputation as owners. Clearly Wael thinks it's fine.
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Post by Somersetgas on Feb 5, 2023 19:24:17 GMT
I think yesterday's ref was very much his own man, with his own interpretation of the rules. Having said that - we still deserved to lose, despite him. The ref yesterday made that cretin Bobby Madden look competent. I could tell from his first whistle blow he was going to be one of those, the way he blew it irritated me, oh and can the club fix the blown light tube in the tent please it upset my viewing of the game
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Post by oldie on Feb 5, 2023 19:25:19 GMT
The ref yesterday made that cretin Bobby Madden look competent. I could tell from his first whistle blow he was going to be one of those, the way he blew it irritated me, oh and can the club fix the blown light tube in the tent please it upset my viewing of the game Pure comedy, hilarious
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2023 19:27:03 GMT
His man management is so bad that Luke Thomas spoke about Barton giving him a kick up the backside was exactly what he needed at the time. This was said in an interview after LT had left us, so he could easily have said what he liked, if the truth was different. I don't think Belshaw looked timid or nervous, in the match following JB talking about him in an interview. I don't agree with dropping him, although I don't think it will affect his performances when he gets back in the team. That kind of approach works for some players as a motivation, but not for others, as we've seen with Bobby Thomas. It appears it is the default tactic with Barton, since those kind of comments have been made on several occasions, and it's going to upset some people. Of course I'm not at the training ground nor privy to private conversations between players and manager, so it is entirely possible that JB tries hard behind the scenes to get the best out of them before going public. We'll never know about that. I can't recall JB criticising Evans, McM nor Connelly to the media, so it seems clear that he picks which players to criticise. Perhaps it's done as a last resort after speaking to them on the training ground etc hasn't worked? It's an odd form of management and I'm surprised the PFA allow it.
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Post by Somersetgas on Feb 5, 2023 19:40:56 GMT
I could tell from his first whistle blow he was going to be one of those, the way he blew it irritated me, oh and can the club fix the blown light tube in the tent please it upset my viewing of the game Pure comedy, hilarious It’s not supposed to be hilarious if you have an issue with my comment P.M me and I will suitably respond there. I will be reporting the light tube to tThe club as it was a huge distraction.
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Post by oldie on Feb 5, 2023 19:46:01 GMT
It’s not supposed to be hilarious if you have an issue with my comment P.M me and I will suitably respond there. I will be reporting the light tube to tThe club as it was a huge distraction. Sorry, but I can't stop laughing. "The way he blew the whistle" Seriously...
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Post by Somersetgas on Feb 5, 2023 19:50:05 GMT
It’s not supposed to be hilarious if you have an issue with my comment P.M me and I will suitably respond there. I will be reporting the light tube to tThe club as it was a huge distraction. Sorry, but I can't stop laughing. "The way he blew the whistle" Seriously... Yes in a pompous loud all about him way!
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Post by oldie on Feb 5, 2023 19:51:33 GMT
Sorry, but I can't stop laughing. "The way he blew the whistle" Seriously... Yes in a pompous loud all about him way! Wait, he blew the whistle in a loud way?? 😂😂😂😂
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Post by Somersetgas on Feb 5, 2023 20:15:08 GMT
Yes in a pompous loud all about him way! Wait, he blew the whistle in a loud way?? 😂😂😂😂 Don’t worry about it, I can’t be bothered to discuss, I’m sure you’re happy the team are on a losing run. Goodnight.
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Post by eric on Feb 5, 2023 20:43:12 GMT
He said he had no idea and guessed at what may have happened. Yesterday you said there had been a major fall out between JB and Belshaw - I presume that was a guess too but not sure as you didn’t actually say. Of course you may be ITK on that particular issue? Given I said "personally" it seems pretty obvious it was my own personal views, if JB and Belshaw haven't had a fall out of some kind, even if it's only over Belshaw's recent form, then surely he would still be our No 1. I’ve no idea whether JB is distracted or why. I’ve no idea whether JB has fallen out with Belshaw. I’ve no idea why you seemed to object to someone posting based on guesswork when you’ve done exactly the same !!
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