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Post by pucklegas on Feb 5, 2023 11:01:34 GMT
The scenario is like England were with Stevie G and Lamps, Coutts and Finley cannot play together.
We are too ponderous and too slow to attack, almost fell asleep.
Players going under the bus has to stop, it worked with Luke Thomas but is too severe imho.
The last three performances have been dire, we ll limp to the end of the season then have a big change up again.
Evans will hopefully not become the new Westbrooke.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 5, 2023 11:05:37 GMT
Why worry, the keeper only has one more game for Rovers and then another club and door closes on Rovers.The recent window was a shocker, is it possible all other clubs approached for loan players by Rovers in the window might have rung Burnley first and asked them why Thomas asked to be returned to his parent club. If you had Barton and Jennings breathing down your neck as a young player that could set your career back so don't risk going to Rovers. What would you sooner have, the Trollope approach and increased Corona sales in the bar? It's good a manager is showing an interest in his players particularly when he's based in another city. JB clearly did something right last season with Thomas, Taylor and Anderson? Yes he did but we cannot build a strong and consistent team with loans. We will be on a new project and spending more money each season, surely you can see that this is not a good way to build a team, OUR team, one which knows one another, well. One that will be stable and consistent. Doing what he did was great, to get us out of L2 but I’d suggest it’s not the best of plans to deliver anymore than where we are.
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Post by brightlights on Feb 5, 2023 12:02:59 GMT
Play Bogard and Ward central midfield and let Collins play in front of them, just behind the forwards and we might start playing again. Yesterday was dire as was the previous two games, identical tactics truly dreadful to watch
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 5, 2023 12:24:34 GMT
Why worry, the keeper only has one more game for Rovers and then another club and door closes on Rovers.The recent window was a shocker, is it possible all other clubs approached for loan players by Rovers in the window might have rung Burnley first and asked them why Thomas asked to be returned to his parent club. If you had Barton and Jennings breathing down your neck as a young player that could set your career back so don't risk going to Rovers. Is it possible? I'm sure you think that's some clever word play so you can later deny making a claim but I've seen this a 1000 times before. You know nothing, and insinuate a lot of negative about Rovers every time you post. Is it possible everything you write is a load of old horse w**k? Personally I don't like Barton and I can't wait for him to be gone but why make sh** up? Barton has a particular style, some players will love it, some will hate it and others with be professional and ignore the stuff that annoys them.Exactly the same as every other manager. Some players are going to thrive under him. Some are going to have a hissy and want out. Happens at every single football club from kids football to the Premier League and everyone knows it. And that is the situation in a nutshell. I’ve liked his football without particularly liking him and the circus that surrounds him. I’ve been able to separate the man and the manager, I’ve had to in order to support MY team which will be here long after he’s gone, as will I, hopefully. He was appointed with our leaders knowing what was likely to happen. I still support him as manager because after 2022 he’s earned that support. But I’m pretty sure that he can only manage the team in his way, no compromise, no consideration of other ways. His style will appeal to fans and players whilst everything is going well or at least, not too badly. Then we see and hear some strange things. Once things go wrong the players will be called out, often publicly, and the atmosphere and culture changes. It happened at Fleetwood at the end. I’d say things have changed here recently, the Thomas recall, the teams form (not results though they are poor but bad results can happen) has all fallen away and he wasn’t able to get what he wanted in the window. Some players like it, some don’t and some are not able to handle his man-management and will just go through the motions. All a tad worrying. Now I guess we’ll see how good a manager he is at turning things around. UTG!
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Post by keygas on Feb 5, 2023 12:49:20 GMT
As disappointing as yesterday was, every team goes through a bad patch & I’am sure we’ve got enough talent in the squad to turn it around. I don’t think JB knows what his best starting 11 is, but if there was any positives to come from the game it was the second half performance of Grant Ward who started to dictate the midfield & the quality of the Aston Villa lad for the short time he was on the pitch, if we can integrate him & probably the new experienced full back into the starting lineup, results should hopefully improve.
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Post by baggins on Feb 5, 2023 13:07:18 GMT
When JB sets a precedent, like he's done with Belshaw, that mistakes can see you dropped and replaced, you're going to get timid, nervous performances.
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Post by oldie on Feb 5, 2023 13:11:23 GMT
When JB sets a precedent, like he's done with Belshaw, that mistakes can see you dropped and replaced, you're going to get timid, nervous performances. Absolutely Appalling man management
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Post by trevorgas on Feb 5, 2023 13:20:56 GMT
When JB sets a precedent, like he's done with Belshaw, that mistakes can see you dropped and replaced, you're going to get timid, nervous performances. Absolutely Appalling man management Being dispassionate about it all keepers will get dropped if they make mistakes ,the only difference here is that JB intimated that was case,although I can't recall if he said that publicly.
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Feb 5, 2023 13:30:09 GMT
When JB sets a precedent, like he's done with Belshaw, that mistakes can see you dropped and replaced, you're going to get timid, nervous performances. Absolutely Appalling man management I don’t particularly agree with Belshaw being dropped but I do agree that he needed stronger competition to push him on… I also agree with the sentiment that if a player consistently makes mistakes in a game week after week then they should be dropped or taken out of the firing line - both for the teams and their benefit. It’s not appalling man management. Like I said, I don’t think Belshaw fell into that category and I don’t believe he should have been dropped but in order to get a keeper similar in style to him and decent who would push him, we had to agree to certain conditions for the loan and I understand that… Belshaw was injured yesterday - his rib and whilst he could have had an injection to play, Barton (rightly in my opinion) said for him to rest and sit out as he was going to be on the bench for the reasons we all know….
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Post by oldie on Feb 5, 2023 13:30:40 GMT
Absolutely Appalling man management Being dispassionate about it all keepers will get dropped if they make mistakes ,the only difference here is that JB intimated that was case,although I can't recall if he said that publicly. Didn't he say, after Morecambe, that he had given certain players a chance and he would seek to recruit to replace them. Words to that effect? Shocking to say things like that in public. It's not the first time is it.
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Feb 5, 2023 13:33:39 GMT
Being dispassionate about it all keepers will get dropped if they make mistakes ,the only difference here is that JB intimated that was case,although I can't recall if he said that publicly. Didn't he say, after Morecambe, that he had given certain players a chance and he would seek to recruit to replace them. Words to that effect? Shocking to say things like that in public. It's not the first time is it. Why’s it shocking? If you were managing a team and it was underperforming and a number of that team were ignoring training and instructions then wouldn’t you call them out and say you’ve given them enough chances but it isn’t working? He didn’t name them by name? He just gave them a ‘kick up the a#se’?
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Post by baggins on Feb 5, 2023 13:38:50 GMT
Absolutely Appalling man management I don’t particularly agree with Belshaw being dropped but I do agree that he needed stronger competition to push him on… I also agree with the sentiment that if a player consistently makes mistakes in a game week after week then they should be dropped or taken out of the firing line - both for the teams and their benefit. It’s not appalling man management. Like I said, I don’t think Belshaw fell into that category and I don’t believe he should have been dropped but in order to get a keeper similar in style to him and decent who would push him, we had to agree to certain conditions for the loan and I understand that… Belshaw was injured yesterday - his rib and whilst he could have had an injection to play, Barton (rightly in my opinion) said for him to rest and sit out as he was going to be on the bench for the reasons we all know…. Did Belshaw need pushing? 3 mistakes off the top of my head and he's dropped and replaced. We could have had AJ fill in for him but to replace him? That's sent a terrible message to the rest of the squad and we've been poor ever since.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2023 13:40:14 GMT
You give the impression you're just here to moan about Wael & JB, if you aren't, then why do you only post critical posts about the club and even managed to get yourself banned by doing it? That is your impression and not everyone holds that view. Why are you so interested in what i post, if it offends then block me. Surely you must have noticed many more are now asking the same things that i do, no ? I ask questions and am not one of the baying mob, people like me are not well tolerated. If you can see some tangible signs of the club moving forward and not paying circa 3 million of debt each season, please do post about it. Why should I block fellow posters rather than call them out for being continually negative even when we're winning games? Why would I have any interest in cutting our annual losses if Wael's seemingly content to fund them, which he clearly is from what Barton stated on HAG. You really need to stop being guided by Swissgas & co and see for yourself what's going on at Rovers.
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Post by oldie on Feb 5, 2023 13:42:57 GMT
Absolutely Appalling man management I don’t particularly agree with Belshaw being dropped but I do agree that he needed stronger competition to push him on… I also agree with the sentiment that if a player consistently makes mistakes in a game week after week then they should be dropped or taken out of the firing line - both for the teams and their benefit. It’s not appalling man management. Like I said, I don’t think Belshaw fell into that category and I don’t believe he should have been dropped but in order to get a keeper similar in style to him and decent who would push him, we had to agree to certain conditions for the loan and I understand that… Belshaw was injured yesterday - his rib and whilst he could have had an injection to play, Barton (rightly in my opinion) said for him to rest and sit out as he was going to be on the bench for the reasons we all know…. Blue stick "I also agree with the sentiment that if a player consistently makes mistakes in a game week after week then they should be dropped or taken out of the firing line - both for the teams and their benefit. It’s not appalling man management." Of course. But to make comments in public when interviewed, that is appalling man management. He did the same to the left back, Clarke, he made similar comments after the Morecambe game. I would argue he pretty much guaranteed us relegation at the end of 21 season when he slagged off pretty much the whole team. It's just unprofessional.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2023 13:44:02 GMT
I don’t particularly agree with Belshaw being dropped but I do agree that he needed stronger competition to push him on… I also agree with the sentiment that if a player consistently makes mistakes in a game week after week then they should be dropped or taken out of the firing line - both for the teams and their benefit. It’s not appalling man management. Like I said, I don’t think Belshaw fell into that category and I don’t believe he should have been dropped but in order to get a keeper similar in style to him and decent who would push him, we had to agree to certain conditions for the loan and I understand that… Belshaw was injured yesterday - his rib and whilst he could have had an injection to play, Barton (rightly in my opinion) said for him to rest and sit out as he was going to be on the bench for the reasons we all know…. Did Belshaw need pushing? 3 mistakes off the top of my head and he's dropped and replaced. We could have had AJ fill in for him but to replace him? That's sent a terrible message to the rest of the squad and we've been poor ever since. I doubt it's down to just loss of form, what the real issue is anybody's guess, somebody posted earlier it was down to a dispute over a new contract but he seems to be contracted until the end of 2023/2024 in any event.
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Post by oldie on Feb 5, 2023 13:44:53 GMT
That is your impression and not everyone holds that view. Why are you so interested in what i post, if it offends then block me. Surely you must have noticed many more are now asking the same things that i do, no ? I ask questions and am not one of the baying mob, people like me are not well tolerated. If you can see some tangible signs of the club moving forward and not paying circa 3 million of debt each season, please do post about it. Why should I block fellow posters rather than call them out for being continually negative even when we're winning games? Why would I have any interest in cutting our annual losses if Wael's seemingly content to fund them, which he clearly is from what Barton stated on HAG. You really need to stop being guided by Swissgas & co and see for yourself what's going on at Rovers. Marvelous irony. 😂😂😂
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Feb 5, 2023 13:49:38 GMT
I don’t particularly agree with Belshaw being dropped but I do agree that he needed stronger competition to push him on… I also agree with the sentiment that if a player consistently makes mistakes in a game week after week then they should be dropped or taken out of the firing line - both for the teams and their benefit. It’s not appalling man management. Like I said, I don’t think Belshaw fell into that category and I don’t believe he should have been dropped but in order to get a keeper similar in style to him and decent who would push him, we had to agree to certain conditions for the loan and I understand that… Belshaw was injured yesterday - his rib and whilst he could have had an injection to play, Barton (rightly in my opinion) said for him to rest and sit out as he was going to be on the bench for the reasons we all know…. Did Belshaw need pushing? 3 mistakes off the top of my head and he's dropped and replaced. We could have had AJ fill in for him but to replace him? That's sent a terrible message to the rest of the squad and we've been poor ever since. Like I said, I don’t agree with the treatment of Belshaw but personally I do think he needed competition as whilst AJ was an able deputy he was a completely different type of keeper and so Belshaw kinda always knew he’d start league matches irrespective of his form or performances (which I didn’t think were bad or warranted his replacing in the starting line up)… unfortunately it looks like the only option to get a keeper similar in style who could potentially challenge Belly who was available was to take Balcombe and Brentford insisted in the playing clause they did… we were caught in a catch 22 situation….
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Post by baggins on Feb 5, 2023 13:51:25 GMT
Did Belshaw need pushing? 3 mistakes off the top of my head and he's dropped and replaced. We could have had AJ fill in for him but to replace him? That's sent a terrible message to the rest of the squad and we've been poor ever since. I doubt it's down to just loss of form, what the real issue is anybody's guess, somebody posted earlier it was down to a dispute over a new contract but he seems to be contracted until the end of 2023/2024 in any event. I doubt anyone knows about his contract, apart from him, his agent and the Club. The fact is, dropping him, replacing him, has done nothing but ruin the spirit and therefore the performance of the squad. Hence, yet another disheartened performance yesterday.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2023 14:20:57 GMT
Why should I block fellow posters rather than call them out for being continually negative even when we're winning games? Why would I have any interest in cutting our annual losses if Wael's seemingly content to fund them, which he clearly is from what Barton stated on HAG. You really need to stop being guided by Swissgas & co and see for yourself what's going on at Rovers. Marvelous irony. 😂😂😂 You two stick together and see where it gets you, I'm not sure where being non supports of the owner will get you, or how you both find it in any way enjoyable.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2023 14:23:38 GMT
I doubt it's down to just loss of form, what the real issue is anybody's guess, somebody posted earlier it was down to a dispute over a new contract but he seems to be contracted until the end of 2023/2024 in any event. I doubt anyone knows about his contract, apart from him, his agent and the Club. The fact is, dropping him, replacing him, has done nothing but ruin the spirit and therefore the performance of the squad. Hence, yet another disheartened performance yesterday. We've been playing poorly and losing since around mid December, there's more to it than just dropping Belshaw. The problem is once the not sets in it takes some turning around.
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