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Post by mftc on Feb 5, 2023 14:08:37 GMT
The football Man City have played since his arrival has been outstanding no doubt about it.
The problem is that so managers have tried to adopt a tiki-taka style playing out from the back, when they don't have the players to do it.
Look at Villa v Leicester yesterday. It's all very well pointing to stats and having analysts but it may mean that once a season a team scores a worldy in terms of possession and passing and that looks great, but invariably it goes wrong more often than not and it conceedes 2-3 howlers, or ends up giving the ball away in dangerous areas from which they can do damage.
Yesterday we saw misplaced passes in the last third several times. Yes we saw one run of passes that was top drawer but basically what is the point of 9 or 10 passes to reach the halfway line when a player gets tackled there and it goes out for a throw.
Surely a goal kick 70 yards up front;
i) gives us a better chance of actually scoringas we are nearer the opposition goal,
ii) means the ball is further away from our goal, so less likely to conceede,
iii)our players in a better organised position.
If we have the ball and the two full backs make advances 30 yards upfield like yesterday and the keeper and centre backs make a hash of it, there is little cover, apart from Coutts who forever seems to want to take the ball of Connelly's toes and when he gets pressed, just plays it back to him, putting him under pressure, with no out ball, other than play it long to Josh when he has 3 opponents near to him.
Possession it seems is the be all and end all. What was Morecombe? 65+ possession and yesterday was probably 60+ but most of the time it is sideways and back, going nowhere.
Ah for Graham Taylor and John Beck!
Or Martyn - lump it to Big Dev, flick on -Penrice - goal! Easy! Maybe not so much the beautiful game, but much more successful at lower levels.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Feb 5, 2023 14:15:59 GMT
Women's footy the same.Eight million passes and the ball ends up still in their own half.Wolves have modified their possession style having appeared to be actually scared to finally shoot and it's paying dividends.Their goal tally was dreadful but is improving.(New stand at Molineux on the way).
Recall under BG we were three down at Ipswich and decided to play tippy tappy in our own box.Left that game somewhat unimpressed.
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Post by dudelebowski on Feb 5, 2023 14:23:39 GMT
We’ve been there & done that, back end of 2018/19 promotion form to survival after DC’s sinking ship. Into 2019/20. GC ball fully established.
3rd in League One right on Christmas.
Many Gasheads largely pushed back from it, didn’t like the style, boring, anti football, pay to be entertained they said, ol’ Terry getting 20man on the dog n bone bitching about how bad it was, but you won Tel? Again? Nah it’s awful to watch Geoff, terrible.
GC didn’t get the love from the faithful, had enough & hopped back up North.
Ben ten takes the hot seat, all on the deck, recruit the yoof, pass n move, exciting football incoming, nothing above shoulder height lads. We’ll entertain this Gas mob!
Fast forward 15 months & we’re back in the basement.
Almost poetic if it wasn’t so tragic.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 5, 2023 14:27:52 GMT
We’ve been there & done that, back end of 2018/19 promotion form to survival after DC’s sinking ship. Into 2019/20. GC ball fully established. 3rd in League One right on Christmas. Many Gasheads largely pushed back from it, didn’t like the style, boring, anti football, pay to be entertained they said, ol’ Terry getting 20man on the dog n bone bitching about how bad it was, but you won Tel? Again? Nah it’s awful to watch Geoff, terrible. GC didn’t get the love from the faithful, had enough & hopped back up North. Ben ten takes the hot seat, all on the deck, recruit the yoof, pass n move, exciting football incoming, nothing above shoulder height lads. We’ll entertain this Gas mob! Fast forward 15 months & we’re back in the basement. Almost poetic if it wasn’t so tragic. Why does that even matter to a manager if you are winning games? I dont think that was the case in the last few games anyway. ironic he left just as the majority of fans were getting onside |
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Post by daniel300380 on Feb 5, 2023 15:29:14 GMT
The football Man City have played since his arrival has been outstanding no doubt about it. The problem is that so managers have tried to adopt a tiki-taka style playing out from the back, when they don't have the players to do it. Look at Villa v Leicester yesterday. It's all very well pointing to stats and having analysts but it may mean that once a season a team scores a worldy in terms of possession and passing and that looks great, but invariably it goes wrong more often than not and it conceedes 2-3 howlers, or ends up giving the ball away in dangerous areas from which they can do damage. Yesterday we saw misplaced passes in the last third several times. Yes we saw one run of passes that was top drawer but basically what is the point of 9 or 10 passes to reach the halfway line when a player gets tackled there and it goes out for a throw. Surely a goal kick 70 yards up front; i) gives us a better chance of actually scoringas we are nearer the opposition goal, ii) means the ball is further away from our goal, so less likely to conceede, iii)our players in a better organised position. If we have the ball and the two full backs make advances 30 yards upfield like yesterday and the keeper and centre backs make a hash of it, there is little cover, apart from Coutts who forever seems to want to take the ball of Connelly's toes and when he gets pressed, just plays it back to him, putting him under pressure, with no out ball, other than play it long to Josh when he has 3 opponents near to him. Possession it seems is the be all and end all. What was Morecombe? 65+ possession and yesterday was probably 60+ but most of the time it is sideways and back, going nowhere. Ah for Graham Taylor and John Beck! Or Martyn - lump it to Big Dev, flick on -Penrice - goal! Easy! Maybe not so much the beautiful game, but much more successful at lower levels. Think a mixture is fine. Playing the ball around the back, is to try and bring some of the other teams player's towards that area, creating space further up the pitch. It will only work, if you attack quickly, when you get a chance. Otherwise the other team will get back and get compact anyway. If the other team are leaving players up, to press early. Then we might as well go a bit longer, from the goal kick. To move up the pitch. Then the other team might start dropping off, which will allow us to play out from the pitch other times. Too many sides think they have to play out every time. Even Man City have always mixed it up. Sometimes ederson will ping a 50 yard plus pass, when the other team pushes on. Problem is most keepers don't have the ability to do that🤣. They just kick it into touch instead. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 5, 2023 15:29:46 GMT
We’ve been there & done that, back end of 2018/19 promotion form to survival after DC’s sinking ship. Into 2019/20. GC ball fully established. 3rd in League One right on Christmas. Many Gasheads largely pushed back from it, didn’t like the style, boring, anti football, pay to be entertained they said, ol’ Terry getting 20man on the dog n bone bitching about how bad it was, but you won Tel? Again? Nah it’s awful to watch Geoff, terrible. GC didn’t get the love from the faithful, had enough & hopped back up North. Ben ten takes the hot seat, all on the deck, recruit the yoof, pass n move, exciting football incoming, nothing above shoulder height lads. We’ll entertain this Gas mob! Fast forward 15 months & we’re back in the basement. Almost poetic if it wasn’t so tragic. Why does that even matter to a manager if you are winning games? I dont think that was the case in the last few games anyway. ironic he left just as the majority of fans were getting onside I think GC knew that he didn't have the long term backing of the Board, as he didn't fit what they wanted for the future. Don't blame him for heading elsewhere, although I didn't enjoy watching his team. |
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Feb 5, 2023 16:13:03 GMT
It used to make me laugh in 89/90 season when City fans would say ‘we’re much better to watch, they play hoof ball we play it on the deck’
end of the season we lost 5 games, none at home and used minimum amount of the playing squad.
I can’t remember many gas heads in that season saying ‘ pass it on the deck guys, this isn’t pretty to watch, when you’re playing your heart out for the quarters week in week out and teams hate playing you, including City, you’re doing something right, like I’ve said before good teams are built from a solid base, our defence would concede goals in National league south at the moment, would not be surprised to end up with 70 plus goals conceded this season, tin hat time but without the stadium previously mentioned on other posts we are stuck between league 1 and league 2, I like Wael but it’s time to put his cards on the table about the stadium, enough of confidentiality agreements, is it going to happen before 2030?
I know I know I know how dare I not be pleased with the sorting the debt out every season, of course I am, and I don’t want him to go, I think he’s been great for this club, but it’s getting silly now, year upon year we’re being fed the ‘priority’ of a new stadium, time to say if it’s going to happen in our lifetimes, surely.?
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Post by eric on Feb 5, 2023 16:30:04 GMT
The football Man City have played since his arrival has been outstanding no doubt about it. The problem is that so managers have tried to adopt a tiki-taka style playing out from the back, when they don't have the players to do it. Look at Villa v Leicester yesterday. It's all very well pointing to stats and having analysts but it may mean that once a season a team scores a worldy in terms of possession and passing and that looks great, but invariably it goes wrong more often than not and it conceedes 2-3 howlers, or ends up giving the ball away in dangerous areas from which they can do damage. Yesterday we saw misplaced passes in the last third several times. Yes we saw one run of passes that was top drawer but basically what is the point of 9 or 10 passes to reach the halfway line when a player gets tackled there and it goes out for a throw. Surely a goal kick 70 yards up front; i) gives us a better chance of actually scoringas we are nearer the opposition goal, ii) means the ball is further away from our goal, so less likely to conceede, iii)our players in a better organised position. If we have the ball and the two full backs make advances 30 yards upfield like yesterday and the keeper and centre backs make a hash of it, there is little cover, apart from Coutts who forever seems to want to take the ball of Connelly's toes and when he gets pressed, just plays it back to him, putting him under pressure, with no out ball, other than play it long to Josh when he has 3 opponents near to him. Possession it seems is the be all and end all. What was Morecombe? 65+ possession and yesterday was probably 60+ but most of the time it is sideways and back, going nowhere. Ah for Graham Taylor and John Beck! Or Martyn - lump it to Big Dev, flick on -Penrice - goal! Easy! Maybe not so much the beautiful game, but much more successful at lower levels. Think a mixture is fine. Playing the ball around the back, is to try and bring some of the other teams player's towards that area, creating space further up the pitch. It will only work, if you attack quickly, when you get a chance. Otherwise the other team will get back and get compact anyway. If the other team are leaving players up, to press early. Then we might as well go a bit longer, from the goal kick. To move up the pitch. Then the other team might start dropping off, which will allow us to play out from the pitch other times. Too many sides think they have to play out every time. Even Man City have always mixed it up. Sometimes ederson will ping a 50 yard plus pass, when the other team pushes on. Problem is most keepers don't have the ability to do that🤣. They just kick it into touch instead. Agree, especially at our level being able to mix it up rather than stick rigidly to one style or the other. Like a lot of things in football everything seems to be so polarised - you’re either tiki-taka or Dave Bassett’s Wimbledon! Another factor at the moment which makes our build up from the back look so ponderous and is seeing us lose possession is the lack of movement and confidence. Connolly is a good example, he’s clearly lacking in confidence a bit but when he receives the ball he’s looking for options and instead of having 3 or 4 it’s normally just Coutts. Players can hide,sometimes consciously and sometimes sub-consciously - a player can look busy and available but deliberately stymie themselves. It’s hard to see positives in runs like these but it will turn around, perhaps a backs to the wall hard fought point against one of the top sides soon will trigger a change in fortunes🤞 |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2023 16:37:17 GMT
We’ve been there & done that, back end of 2018/19 promotion form to survival after DC’s sinking ship. Into 2019/20. GC ball fully established. 3rd in League One right on Christmas. Many Gasheads largely pushed back from it, didn’t like the style, boring, anti football, pay to be entertained they said, ol’ Terry getting 20man on the dog n bone bitching about how bad it was, but you won Tel? Again? Nah it’s awful to watch Geoff, terrible. GC didn’t get the love from the faithful, had enough & hopped back up North. Ben ten takes the hot seat, all on the deck, recruit the yoof, pass n move, exciting football incoming, nothing above shoulder height lads. We’ll entertain this Gas mob! Fast forward 15 months & we’re back in the basement. Almost poetic if it wasn’t so tragic. The football was dreadful to watch, the fact only 5,000/6,000 were turning up at the Mem whereas JB's now getting 8,000+, plus we sell out most away games, shows what the floating fans want to watch. I guess it makes it all a bit harder to take now that we seem to have totally lost our way and we're back to wondering if it's worthwhile watching away games again. |
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Post by CrispPusher on Feb 5, 2023 17:25:45 GMT
We’ve been there & done that, back end of 2018/19 promotion form to survival after DC’s sinking ship. Into 2019/20. GC ball fully established. 3rd in League One right on Christmas. Many Gasheads largely pushed back from it, didn’t like the style, boring, anti football, pay to be entertained they said, ol’ Terry getting 20man on the dog n bone bitching about how bad it was, but you won Tel? Again? Nah it’s awful to watch Geoff, terrible. GC didn’t get the love from the faithful, had enough & hopped back up North. Ben ten takes the hot seat, all on the deck, recruit the yoof, pass n move, exciting football incoming, nothing above shoulder height lads. We’ll entertain this Gas mob! Fast forward 15 months & we’re back in the basement. Almost poetic if it wasn’t so tragic. The football was dreadful to watch, the fact only 5,000/6,000 were turning up at the Mem whereas JB's now getting 8,000+, plus we sell out most away games, shows what the floating fans want to watch. I guess it makes it all a bit harder to take now that we seem to have totally lost our way and we're back to wondering if it's worthwhile watching away games again. When you say 5,000/6,000 I assume you mean 6,000/8,000? www.footballwebpages.co.uk/bristol-rovers/attendances/2019-2020Many more performances like yesterday and we'll soon be back down to those figures... |
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Post by mftc on Feb 5, 2023 17:34:50 GMT
I didn't mean all players have to whoosh it forward miles high at every opportunity.
I just don't like needlessly passing around at the back when it puts us under pressure.
In the school team we were told, defenders defend, midfielders pass and strikers score. It may be simple but there is logic to it.
Now not many can defend, everybody tries to pass and the strikers have to create their own chances to try and score.
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Feb 5, 2023 17:53:03 GMT
Anyone remember Jeff (edit:- Jeff) Beck at Cambridge in the early 90s. Horrendous, at home they let the grass grow longer in the corners to slow the ball down. Didn't matter where on the pitch they had the ball, they just launched it and chased it down. That was the only tactic. From memory he mentioned a stat about most goals being from very few passes.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2023 18:05:09 GMT
The football was dreadful to watch, the fact only 5,000/6,000 were turning up at the Mem whereas JB's now getting 8,000+, plus we sell out most away games, shows what the floating fans want to watch. I guess it makes it all a bit harder to take now that we seem to have totally lost our way and we're back to wondering if it's worthwhile watching away games again. When you say 5,000/6,000 I assume you mean 6,000/8,000? www.footballwebpages.co.uk/bristol-rovers/attendances/2019-2020Many more performances like yesterday and we'll soon be back down to those figures... It was mainly around the 6,000 the attendances above that were for the festive fixtures and the teams with big followings. |
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Post by eric on Feb 5, 2023 18:07:21 GMT
Anyone remember Jeff Beck at Cambridge in the early 90s. Horrendous, at home they let the grass grow longer in the corners to slow the ball down. Didn't matter where on the pitch they had the ball, they just launched it and chased it down. That was the only tactic. From memory he mentioned a stat about most goals being from very few passes. Charles Hughes methodology I believe. |
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Post by oldie on Feb 5, 2023 18:26:26 GMT
Anyone remember Jeff Beck at Cambridge in the early 90s. Horrendous, at home they let the grass grow longer in the corners to slow the ball down. Didn't matter where on the pitch they had the ball, they just launched it and chased it down. That was the only tactic. From memory he mentioned a stat about most goals being from very few passes. But his guitar solos were "electric" But there was a football manager called John Beck, who managed Cambridge 😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Feb 5, 2023 18:35:22 GMT
Anyone remember Jeff Beck at Cambridge in the early 90s. Horrendous, at home they let the grass grow longer in the corners to slow the ball down. Didn't matter where on the pitch they had the ball, they just launched it and chased it down. That was the only tactic. From memory he mentioned a stat about most goals being from very few passes. But his guitar solos were "electric" But there was a football manager called John Beck, who managed Cambridge 😂😂😂😂 Oh FFS. No idea why I put Jeff. Glad it struck a chord with you though 😁 |
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Post by herbertblake on Feb 5, 2023 18:48:47 GMT
Anyone remember Jeff Beck at Cambridge in the early 90s. Horrendous, at home they let the grass grow longer in the corners to slow the ball down. Didn't matter where on the pitch they had the ball, they just launched it and chased it down. That was the only tactic. From memory he mentioned a stat about most goals being from very few passes. But his guitar solos were "electric" But there was a football manager called John Beck, who managed Cambridge 😂😂😂😂 Ably assisted by a certain Gsry Johnson as his assistant ! |
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Post by oldie on Feb 5, 2023 19:06:10 GMT
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Post by playtowin on Feb 5, 2023 19:17:07 GMT
The football Man City have played since his arrival has been outstanding no doubt about it. The problem is that so managers have tried to adopt a tiki-taka style playing out from the back, when they don't have the players to do it. Look at Villa v Leicester yesterday. It's all very well pointing to stats and having analysts but it may mean that once a season a team scores a worldy in terms of possession and passing and that looks great, but invariably it goes wrong more often than not and it conceedes 2-3 howlers, or ends up giving the ball away in dangerous areas from which they can do damage. Yesterday we saw misplaced passes in the last third several times. Yes we saw one run of passes that was top drawer but basically what is the point of 9 or 10 passes to reach the halfway line when a player gets tackled there and it goes out for a throw. Surely a goal kick 70 yards up front; i) gives us a better chance of actually scoringas we are nearer the opposition goal, ii) means the ball is further away from our goal, so less likely to conceede, iii)our players in a better organised position. If we have the ball and the two full backs make advances 30 yards upfield like yesterday and the keeper and centre backs make a hash of it, there is little cover, apart from Coutts who forever seems to want to take the ball of Connelly's toes and when he gets pressed, just plays it back to him, putting him under pressure, with no out ball, other than play it long to Josh when he has 3 opponents near to him. Possession it seems is the be all and end all. What was Morecombe? 65+ possession and yesterday was probably 60+ but most of the time it is sideways and back, going nowhere. Ah for Graham Taylor and John Beck! Or Martyn - lump it to Big Dev, flick on -Penrice - goal! Easy! Maybe not so much the beautiful game, but much more successful at lower levels. Think a mixture is fine. Playing the ball around the back, is to try and bring some of the other teams player's towards that area, creating space further up the pitch. It will only work, if you attack quickly, when you get a chance. Otherwise the other team will get back and get compact anyway. If the other team are leaving players up, to press early. Then we might as well go a bit longer, from the goal kick. To move up the pitch. Then the other team might start dropping off, which will allow us to play out from the pitch other times. Too many sides think they have to play out every time. Even Man City have always mixed it up. Sometimes ederson will ping a 50 yard plus pass, when the other team pushes on. Problem is most keepers don't have the ability to do that🤣. They just kick it into touch instead. If you are 1-0 down at home to a struggling team they will more than happily sit deep and let you waste time oassing around the back five. Funny how fans complain when opposition spend a minute wasting time but dont notice your own team waste 3 minutes passing it round in circles. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2023 19:28:31 GMT
Think a mixture is fine. Playing the ball around the back, is to try and bring some of the other teams player's towards that area, creating space further up the pitch. It will only work, if you attack quickly, when you get a chance. Otherwise the other team will get back and get compact anyway. If the other team are leaving players up, to press early. Then we might as well go a bit longer, from the goal kick. To move up the pitch. Then the other team might start dropping off, which will allow us to play out from the pitch other times. Too many sides think they have to play out every time. Even Man City have always mixed it up. Sometimes ederson will ping a 50 yard plus pass, when the other team pushes on. Problem is most keepers don't have the ability to do that🤣. They just kick it into touch instead. If you are 1-0 down at home to a struggling team they will more than happily sit deep and let you waste time oassing around the back five. Funny how fans complain when opposition spend a minute wasting time but dont notice your own team waste 3 minutes passing it round in circles. |
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