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Post by madgas on Mar 5, 2023 9:33:04 GMT
Last time we were in this division we struggled to give our relegation rivals a decent kick about. Now, on our day we're a match for all teams in league one. There are several players in and around the squad that are at an age that can "kick on" we have a small amount of work to get over the line in terms of survival.
I say this because I think we should be reasonably content with the season we're having and really get behind the lads- to give them the confidence to experiment, and in turn develop and kick on.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 5, 2023 9:35:44 GMT
I recall last time we were in L1 we were doing OK under both DC and GC but it all went wrong when BG was appointed?
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Post by mariobalotelli on Mar 5, 2023 9:53:23 GMT
“Last time we were in this division we struggled to give our relegation rivals a decent kick about”  ? Any team in this league on its day can be a match for any team. |
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Post by madgas on Mar 5, 2023 10:18:16 GMT
I recall last time we were in L1 we were doing OK under both DC and GC but it all went wrong when BG was appointed? This is true. |
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Post by dudelebowski on Mar 5, 2023 10:29:46 GMT
Almost went wrong under DC, back end of 2018 we looked every bit the relegation outfit after some woeful results and even worse recruitment.
It took GC & some serious promotion form to save us.
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Post by kampucheagas on Mar 5, 2023 12:11:58 GMT
The big issue for me is, are we continually going to rely on loans or can we put together a squad that gels over a few seasons
Potentially we could lose the keeper, Gibson, Quansah, Bogarde and Coburn… and so a rebuild again
It’s a double edged sword isn’t it? Loans make us better but ultimately we change players every season!!
UTG
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Mar 5, 2023 12:29:47 GMT
The big issue for me is, are we continually going to rely on loans or can we put together a squad that gels over a few seasons Potentially we could lose the keeper, Gibson, Quansah, Bogarde and Coburn… and so a rebuild again It’s a double edged sword isn’t it? Loans make us better but ultimately we change players every season!! UTG Almost 50% of League One transfers in the January window were loans. It's the way most League One and Two clubs operate these days, with Ipswich being the exception in our league. |
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Post by Gaswood on Mar 5, 2023 12:35:48 GMT
The big issue for me is, are we continually going to rely on loans or can we put together a squad that gels over a few seasons Potentially we could lose the keeper, Gibson, Quansah, Bogarde and Coburn… and so a rebuild again It’s a double edged sword isn’t it? Loans make us better but ultimately we change players every season!! UTG Almost 50% of League One transfers in the January window were loans. It's the way most League One and Two clubs operate these days, with Ipswich being the exception in our league. Also, Gibson is out of contract at the end of the season, and Balcombe is out of contract at the end of the season. Coburn (like Anderson last year) was one where we took an opportunity to bring in a player beyond our means normally. Quansah also fits in that category. Bogarde I’m not so sure. If you have an opportunity to get higher class to help out, whilst bringing in some that are potentially almost “try before you buy” then it makes sense to me. |
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Post by gonzales on Mar 5, 2023 12:46:04 GMT
The big issue for me is, are we continually going to rely on loans or can we put together a squad that gels over a few seasons Potentially we could lose the keeper, Gibson, Quansah, Bogarde and Coburn… and so a rebuild again It’s a double edged sword isn’t it? Loans make us better but ultimately we change players every season!! UTG For me, a club like ours is always going to lose it's best players. So much as I agree that we need a core of players for a succesful couple of seasons, a high calibre of players coming in on loan for a season at a time can only be a good thing. |
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Post by singupgas on Mar 5, 2023 12:55:53 GMT
Absolutely.
We are much improved since BG left us with a group of players that would struggle on a Sunday morning.
BG wanted us to play the football JB is getting out of us, but failed so badly it really was a disaster appointment.
Where we are now, yes we 15th, but look at that table there are 10 or so bigger club, bigger budgets, better facilities than us.
We are where we will be for a while yet, the football is good, we are attracting decent players, but they will leave unless as a club we push on. We can't stay at the Mem.
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Post by dudelebowski on Mar 5, 2023 12:57:51 GMT
The big issue for me is, are we continually going to rely on loans or can we put together a squad that gels over a few seasons Potentially we could lose the keeper, Gibson, Quansah, Bogarde and Coburn… and so a rebuild again It’s a double edged sword isn’t it? Loans make us better but ultimately we change players every season!! UTG For me, a club like ours is always going to lose it's best players. So much as I agree that we need a core of players for a succesful couple of seasons, a high calibre of players coming in on loan for a season at a time can only be a good thing. Absolutely this. As much as some might believe, we’re nothing special at League One level and aren’t above relying on loan players year on year. As you say we have taken on some very decent youngsters from Premier league clubs the last two years and I’m relieved/glad that they trust our club to look after their prospects for a season/half. We’re actually very lucky in that respect, no one HAS to send us anyone. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 5, 2023 13:08:50 GMT
For me, a club like ours is always going to lose it's best players. So much as I agree that we need a core of players for a succesful couple of seasons, a high calibre of players coming in on loan for a season at a time can only be a good thing. Absolutely this. As much as some might believe, we’re nothing special at League One level and aren’t above relying on loan players year on year. As you say we have taken on some very decent youngsters from Premier league clubs the last two years and I’m relieved/glad that they trust our club to look after their prospects for a season/half. We’re actually very lucky in that respect, no one HAS to send us anyone. There must be an appeal for Premiership Clubs to send us youngsters (it sure as hell isn't the Mem), maybe Anderson set the tone? Dare I say it, Barton? |
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Post by Colyton Gas on Mar 5, 2023 13:43:18 GMT
Absolutely. We are much improved since BG left us with a group of players that would struggle on a Sunday morning. BG wanted us to play the football JB is getting out of us, but failed so badly it really was a disaster appointment. Where we are now, yes we 15th, but look at that table there are 10 or so bigger club, bigger budgets, better facilities than us. We are where we will be for a while yet, the football is good, we are attracting decent players, but they will leave unless as a club we push on. We can't stay at the Mem. Spot on.BG had no warmth or authority. Weird and disastrous appointment. GC did so well and yet not at Mansfield after us. Not related but see Spurs current keeper Fraser Forster played for us.Must have been in hibernation or something as don't recall that.Also not related but good to see a Gas Shirt amongst the thousands taking part in the Seaton Grizzly this morning. |
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Post by gas2 on Mar 5, 2023 14:24:23 GMT
It all went wrong when g c left
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Post by clockendgas on Mar 5, 2023 15:36:16 GMT
It all went wrong when g c left Yes while many didn't like the style of football we were winning and looking solid,I'd love to hear tony Craig's views on GC and BG,and where he thought it all went tits up. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 5, 2023 16:08:21 GMT
The big issue for me is, are we continually going to rely on loans or can we put together a squad that gels over a few seasons Potentially we could lose the keeper, Gibson, Quansah, Bogarde and Coburn… and so a rebuild again It’s a double edged sword isn’t it? Loans make us better but ultimately we change players every season!! UTG Almost 50% of League One transfers in the January window were loans. It's the way most League One and Two clubs operate these days, with Ipswich being the exception in our league. Recently we play better against the bigger sides particularly at home. We were psychically too weak v Mk and Burton. However much improved v Ipswich and Barnsley. I think JB is an excellent recruiter in the loan market. Its that combination of a challenging squad and add on loans. Let's be honest our budget will never be £10-15 million and championship football is a bit of a pipedream. If we can build a south stand and maintain div one football ( mid table). Its progress !. |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Mar 6, 2023 8:34:55 GMT
We have had decent results and performances v many of top 8 or so and equally shocking performances v many of bottom 8, which is why i am taking nothing for granted v F.G this sat.!
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Mar 6, 2023 8:51:20 GMT
We have had decent results and performances v many of top 8 or so and equally shocking performances v many of bottom 8, which is why i am taking nothing for granted v F.G this sat.! In my opinion all down to not having a dominant, strong header of the ball. Still look a little bit suspect when dealing with a early, direct ball over the top, but we are learning! I watched the highlights of the accrington/FG game and the standard of football looked dreadful. Excellent chance of 3 points Saturday! |
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 6, 2023 8:51:35 GMT
It all went wrong when g c left Yes while many didn't like the style of football we were winning and looking solid,I'd love to hear tony Craig's views on GC and BG,and where he thought it all went tits up. the players playing for Craig against Sunderland. If we had got tanked that night then garner would have been toast. It gave him the breathing space for the following season. |
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Mar 6, 2023 8:58:41 GMT
Chalk and cheese from 2 years ago. We have a great blend of experienced pros, young hungry, ambitious players (that are ours), talented loan players, solid experienced league 1 players, a good spine to the team and goalscorers. All the ingredients to move the club forward. We struggle when we put all of our eggs in the same basket, but as long as we keep bringing in loan's, improving our own players, getting that experience in, then we will get better.
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