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Post by stapletongas on Mar 11, 2023 9:28:14 GMT
My view is that Lineker has been unfairly treated, misquoted and misunderstood. As Hugo points out above he compared the language being used by the Government to the language being used in the 1930s. I took that to be simply drawing to attention the lack of regard for the sanctity of human life amongst everything going on with tragic channel crossings and the governments approaches to dealing with it. My opinion is that the government are targeting the desperate people driven to extremes in an effort to improve their lives, many fleeing for their lives and those of their families being in danger. What the government should be doing is solving the root of the problem working better with France and other countries to stop dangerous channel crossings, tackle the human traffickers and their processes and agree and adopt a proper humanitarian process to deal with these desperate people stuck in the likes of Calais. I applaud Gary Lineker and everyone else involved with MOTD who are standing in solidarity. Yes ,but the question is 'will you miss M.O.D? Yes because I love MOTD
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Mar 11, 2023 9:33:05 GMT
Well done Rovers.
How is it right that someone loses his job over government criticism? It literally proved Lineker right with his 1930s Germany comment.
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Post by percy on Mar 11, 2023 9:37:57 GMT
đź‘Ź JB
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Post by percy on Mar 11, 2023 9:40:09 GMT
I notice the boomer phrase for all the numpties today is “virtue signalling” That’ll be because their other favourite go to’s “Snowflakes” “cancel culture” and “free speech innit” suddenly has them on the wrong side 🤣
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 11, 2023 10:04:30 GMT
Dare I suggest that the real reason for his dismissal is that many, if not most, people outside of football, and a lot inside it, see him as grossly overpaid for a nothing job. It didn't need much of an excuse to get rid of him. Unfortunately he played into their hands. I don't agree with him but I strongly disagree with his dismissal. More to do with deflection of criticism by the government and an anti BBC agenda amongst some of the press. The licence fee is up for renewal soon so the BBC is being overly cautious for political reasons, going out of their way to be seen as impartial. His wage is not the reason, he's just high profile.
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Post by stapletongas on Mar 11, 2023 10:12:42 GMT
Dare I suggest that the real reason for his dismissal is that many, if not most, people outside of football, and a lot inside it, see him as grossly overpaid for a nothing job. It didn't need much of an excuse to get rid of him. Unfortunately he played into their hands. I don't agree with him but I strongly disagree with his dismissal. More to do with deflection of criticism by the government and an anti BBC agenda amongst some of the press. The licence fee is up for renewal soon so the BBC is being overly cautious for political reasons, going out of their way to be seen as impartial. His wage is not the reason, he's just high profile. The BBC is scared of the Government and the Government are scared of people like Lineker with massive public and social media platforms who are not scared of the Government. When that sinks in, the complexity of it all, then you start to unravel exactly what this is all about.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Mar 11, 2023 10:25:47 GMT
Imagine if let’s say Russia/China sacked a famous sports presenter over criticising the government. The BBC would be all over it!
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Post by albaron on Mar 11, 2023 10:32:14 GMT
The more I hear about Richard Sharp and him helping is mate Doris . I'm not surprised they ( the BBC ) have taken this stance. Shame on them and well done Rovers for getting involved.
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Post by bluegas on Mar 11, 2023 10:34:18 GMT
More to do with deflection of criticism by the government and an anti BBC agenda amongst some of the press. The licence fee is up for renewal soon so the BBC is being overly cautious for political reasons, going out of their way to be seen as impartial. His wage is not the reason, he's just high profile. The BBC is scared of the Government and the Government are scared of people like Lineker with massive public and social media platforms who are not scared of the Government. When that sinks in, the complexity of it all, then you start to unravel exactly what this is all about. Thatcher wanted the UK to be more like the USA. That included no state owned broadcaster. That's been carried on by the Tories ever since. A while back Murdoch was schmoozing Cameron,presumably to curtail the BBC. It's barely disguised that they'd close or cut it back radically. Lineker is an excuse to persue that agenda. Similar to Jonathan Ross, who popped up on ITV with no comment. I have to say though that the BBC don't help themselves. I've just Googled Ross Parker and Kriss Donald - two murders never reported by the mainstream BBC.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Mar 11, 2023 10:35:47 GMT
Seems like we've jumped on the virtue signaling bandwagon then. I respectfully disagree. This is a scandal, regardless of what anyone thinks of Lineker’s views. No government should be dictating BBC policy and I’m pleased to see that it hasn’t gone unchallenged.
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 11, 2023 10:38:53 GMT
No Football Focus today either, and the PFA say players have no obligation to talk to the MotD team.
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Post by Quarters on Mar 11, 2023 10:45:37 GMT
On a day when the Govt give ÂŁ500 million to France to help stop this trafficking it is moved off the front page by this news.
Good day to bury bad news springs to mind.
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Post by socrates on Mar 11, 2023 10:49:39 GMT
I agree with Gary’s remarks but to be honest I don’t think he’s a good fit for the BBC as he’s basically working for one of the Tory party’s biggest media outlets. I think he’s a great presenter and I do enjoy match of the day but I can’t see him or the bbc backing down and I reckon he’ll end up leaving.
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 11, 2023 10:58:21 GMT
I agree with Gary’s remarks but to be honest I don’t think he’s a good fit for the BBC as he’s basically working for one of the Tory party’s biggest media outlets. I think he’s a great presenter and I do enjoy match of the day but I can’t see him or the bbc backing down and I reckon he’ll end up leaving. I suspect plenty of Conservatives will strongly disagree there. Maybe they have it about right. Controversial opinion, I know. 🫣
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 11, 2023 11:00:48 GMT
The BBC is scared of the Government and the Government are scared of people like Lineker with massive public and social media platforms who are not scared of the Government. When that sinks in, the complexity of it all, then you start to unravel exactly what this is all about. Thatcher wanted the UK to be more like the USA. That included no state owned broadcaster. That's been carried on by the Tories ever since. A while back Murdoch was schmoozing Cameron,presumably to curtail the BBC. It's barely disguised that they'd close or cut it back radically. Lineker is an excuse to persue that agenda. Similar to Jonathan Ross, who popped up on ITV with no comment. I have to say though that the BBC don't help themselves. I've just Googled Ross Parker and Kriss Donald - two murders never reported by the mainstream BBC. Conspiracy theories everywhere,is it not more simple?. He signs a contract in which there are clauses curtailing his activity on Social Media,it was not signed under duress and he subsequently breaches his contract,what may I ask are the employer meant to do ?. I know that if I had public criticised Barclays,I would have been compelled to resign or be sacked. He had a clear decision to make and made it but with it comes consequences bearing in mind he has form here . I have no issue with what he said but he did it knowingly ,cannot be surprised by the outcome surely .
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Post by mftc on Mar 11, 2023 11:06:17 GMT
For me MotD is a ritual, but talking about the programme itself, not the free speech/politics etc, it might be improved with no analysis.
I don't like the pundits being so wise AFTER the event. If they were so knowledgeable why couldn't they say Man U would capitulate at 1-0 last week for example. No it was all this gushing praise for certain Man U players beforehand and then with hindsight it was, he isn't good enough, or should have done this, etc etc and it is like that most weeks.
Hopefully just, as it happens commentary from a lover of the game, not a so called expert might actually make it better viewing.
As for interviews it is all cliche. "I am happy" says the goalscorer, losers blame VAR and managers of top teams who lose to average teams just downplay it as "normal", except their wages are anything but.
Oh for the likes of Mark E Smith or David Attenborough being guest presenters! (Smith once read out the scores on the BBC in his Mancunian drawl and Sir David was the man who helped put MotD on the screens on BBC2 in the first place).
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Mar 11, 2023 11:10:55 GMT
Thatcher wanted the UK to be more like the USA. That included no state owned broadcaster. That's been carried on by the Tories ever since. A while back Murdoch was schmoozing Cameron,presumably to curtail the BBC. It's barely disguised that they'd close or cut it back radically. Lineker is an excuse to persue that agenda. Similar to Jonathan Ross, who popped up on ITV with no comment. I have to say though that the BBC don't help themselves. I've just Googled Ross Parker and Kriss Donald - two murders never reported by the mainstream BBC. Conspiracy theories everywhere,is it not more simple?. He signs a contract in which there are clauses curtailing his activity on Social Media,it was not signed under duress and he subsequently breaches his contract,what may I ask are the employer meant to do ?. I know that if I had public criticised Barclays,I would have been compelled to resign or be sacked. He had a clear decision to make and made it but with it comes consequences bearing in mind he has form here . I have no issue with what he said but he did it knowingly ,cannot be surprised by the outcome surely . We don’t know the terms of his contract and I think this is far more nuanced than that. He hasn’t publicly criticised the BBC. They are his employer, not the Conservative party or any government. He isn’t a political journalist and there is a long tradition of those employed by the BBC in non-political roles speaking their minds on issues and even aligning themselves with political parties in a way that Lineker has not done. Basically, it appears to me that either the government don’t like what Lineker said and put pressure on the BBC to take action, or the BBC took action as they feared upsetting the government. Neither of those things should happen if you want an unbiased, publicly owned BBC. If the BBC sacked Lineker there would rightly be calls for hundreds of other presenters to be sacked for voicing their opinions publicly. It’s a farce.
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 11, 2023 11:18:06 GMT
Conspiracy theories everywhere,is it not more simple?. He signs a contract in which there are clauses curtailing his activity on Social Media,it was not signed under duress and he subsequently breaches his contract,what may I ask are the employer meant to do ?. I know that if I had public criticised Barclays,I would have been compelled to resign or be sacked. He had a clear decision to make and made it but with it comes consequences bearing in mind he has form here . I have no issue with what he said but he did it knowingly ,cannot be surprised by the outcome surely . We don’t know the terms of his contract and I think this is far more nuanced than that. He hasn’t publicly criticised the BBC. They are his employer, not the Conservative party or any government. He isn’t a political journalist and there is a long tradition of those employed by the BBC in non-political roles speaking their minds on issues and even aligning themselves with political parties in a way that Lineker has not done. Basically, it appears to me that either the government don’t like what Lineker said and put pressure on the BBC to take action, or the BBC took action as they feared upsetting the government. Neither of those things should happen if you want an unbiased, publicly owned BBC. If the BBC sacked Lineker there would rightly be calls for hundreds of other presenters to be sacked for voicing their opinions publicly. It’s a farce. You may well be right,the issue now is how does the BBC extricate itself without causing a bigger problem
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Post by rememberhalifax on Mar 11, 2023 11:27:45 GMT
After a show of solidarity with Gary Lineker, Everton have announced that they will no longer appear on Match of The Day from next season. Baggins ,in the words of Frank Carson 'dat's a cracker'!
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Post by francegas on Mar 11, 2023 11:45:51 GMT
Thatcher wanted the UK to be more like the USA. That included no state owned broadcaster. That's been carried on by the Tories ever since. A while back Murdoch was schmoozing Cameron,presumably to curtail the BBC. It's barely disguised that they'd close or cut it back radically. Lineker is an excuse to persue that agenda. Similar to Jonathan Ross, who popped up on ITV with no comment. I have to say though that the BBC don't help themselves. I've just Googled Ross Parker and Kriss Donald - two murders never reported by the mainstream BBC. Conspiracy theories everywhere,is it not more simple?. He signs a contract in which there are clauses curtailing his activity on Social Media,it was not signed under duress and he subsequently breaches his contract,what may I ask are the employer meant to do ?. I know that if I had public criticised Barclays,I would have been compelled to resign or be sacked. He had a clear decision to make and made it but with it comes consequences bearing in mind he has form here . I have no issue with what he said but he did it knowingly ,cannot be surprised by the outcome surely . Ah but what if you criticised Barclays on a Sunday? a day which perhaps you weren't employed by the bank. This is being said about Lineker apparently he tweeted on a day he wasn't working for the BBC so that's all ok !! Totally agree with everything you said above.
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