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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 13, 2023 21:29:26 GMT
You are comparing sitting in a rust bucket of a car and brand new Mercedes. Most people would get in Mercedes, very few get in the rust bucket. A new ground would attract so many more people who are probably just put off at the match day experience of the Mem not really being up to it. The facilities arent good enough, even yesterday people were risk of getting soaked. I can bet there are people who do stand on the terrace with young kids at home, its not worth risking them getting wet and also not being able to see. Having an all seater with a roof will make so much difference. Yeah I get that and that's where my estimate of an extra 3 to 4 k home fans comes from than what we currently get. I just genuinely don't think our support base is big enough to be filling a 20k stadium. If city can't manage it we certainly can't. I know for a fact they actually average about 15k with persons through the turnstiles and not counting season ticket holders and not the 20k plus attendance figures they put out. It's an interesting subject. I really hope I'm wrong and we could regularly fill 20k. Let's hope we get to put thr theory to the test in the next 5 years. I can't imagine 5,000 season ticket holders don't regularly attend games.
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Post by aghast on Aug 13, 2023 21:50:14 GMT
You are comparing sitting in a rust bucket of a car and brand new Mercedes. Most people would get in Mercedes, very few get in the rust bucket. A new ground would attract so many more people who are probably just put off at the match day experience of the Mem not really being up to it. The facilities arent good enough, even yesterday people were risk of getting soaked. I can bet there are people who do stand on the terrace with young kids at home, its not worth risking them getting wet and also not being able to see. Having an all seater with a roof will make so much difference. Funnily enough, my old E30 attracted alot of attention compared to some newer cars! Some people like it old school.. and i think that goes for football.. As Confucius said, “Be careful what you wish for” There is a very active Morris Marina Owners club which has a dedicated membership, who love their cars, and wouldn't dream of buying a Tesla. We as a club have a Morris Marina of a stadium, and a few of our fellow fans love it and are happy to stay there. It's got character and it's becoming unique. For less dedicated people, a nice new stadium would attract an extra 3 or 4 thousand fans every game even in League 1, in my opinion, and a lot more than that in the next step up.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Aug 14, 2023 5:01:14 GMT
I wouldn't worry about filing a 20k all seater kipper we couldn't fill a 8000 capacity stadium Saturday. Interesting talking point though I reckon in a spanking new all seater in the champ we'd get between 11-14 k and that includes the huge away followings you get up there. I genuinely don't think we'd get much more than 11-12 k home fans in at this current time. Happy to be proved wrong though. Utg. I would be very interested in seeing what crowds we get if we have a 20k stadium in league one? We sold out many games last season and if we had the new south stand, we would have have a fair few crowds of 11-12k. Obviously a new stadium will attract more people initially, but that would wear off, say six months into the season and the crowds would start to average out.
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Post by wallywalters on Aug 14, 2023 6:10:35 GMT
Yeah I get that and that's where my estimate of an extra 3 to 4 k home fans comes from than what we currently get. I just genuinely don't think our support base is big enough to be filling a 20k stadium. If city can't manage it we certainly can't. I know for a fact they actually average about 15k with persons through the turnstiles and not counting season ticket holders and not the 20k plus attendance figures they put out. It's an interesting subject. I really hope I'm wrong and we could regularly fill 20k. Let's hope we get to put thr theory to the test in the next 5 years. I can't imagine 5,000 season ticket holders don't regularly attend games. After Christmas last season when they were struggling pretty much every home match their crowds were roughly 5 k down on through the turnstiles numbers compared to official attendances given out. So yes last season they regularly had 5k season ticket holders not attending.
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Post by Congas on Aug 14, 2023 6:27:50 GMT
The promised land (PL) is the only place you'll get regular full capacity crowds week in, week out. Our old adversaries like Watford, Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton, et al, who averaged the same gates as us in the 3rd and 4th tiers, regularly fill their stadiums in the top flight - as will City if they go up. They've stagnated in the Championship at average crowds of 12-15 k, the same as us if we go up . A 20,000 capacity stadium is just about right for us if we wish to progress.
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 14, 2023 8:31:21 GMT
The promised land (PL) is the only place you'll get regular full capacity crowds week in, week out. Our old adversaries like Watford, Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton, et al, who averaged the same gates as us in the 3rd and 4th tiers, regularly fill their stadiums in the top flight - as will City if they go up. They've stagnated in the Championship at average crowds of 12-15 k, the same as us if we go up . A 20,000 capacity stadium is just about right for us if we wish to progress. I thought City were averaging around 18-20k now. I think there were around 23k in attendance for the PNE game.
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Post by bettyblue on Aug 14, 2023 8:36:33 GMT
The promised land (PL) is the only place you'll get regular full capacity crowds week in, week out. Our old adversaries like Watford, Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton, et al, who averaged the same gates as us in the 3rd and 4th tiers, regularly fill their stadiums in the top flight - as will City if they go up. They've stagnated in the Championship at average crowds of 12-15 k, the same as us if we go up . A 20,000 capacity stadium is just about right for us if we wish to progress. I thought City were averaging around 18-20k now. I think there were around 23k in attendance for the PNE game. thought that too but when you look at the highlights they seem to have thousands of seats spare. What's their capacity these days
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 14, 2023 8:37:08 GMT
I thought City were averaging around 18-20k now. I think there were around 23k in attendance for the PNE game. thought that too but when you look at the highlights they seem to have thousands of seats spare. What's their capacity these days 27k-ish isnt it? www.footballwebpages.co.uk/bristol-city/attendances/2022-2023
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Post by francegas on Aug 14, 2023 9:04:29 GMT
No idea what their attendance against Preston was. I've see exactly 27000 reported and 29359 (which is 2000+ more than capacity)
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Post by buckaroo on Aug 15, 2023 8:15:50 GMT
No idea what their attendance against Preston was. I've see exactly 27000 reported and 29359 (which is 2000+ more than capacity) The correct quoted attendance was 23000 ish. Both the other figures were media errors (including BBC!) They offer a very good deal for children’s season tickets which includes a free shirt, that effectively means the ST is about £50. There’s a theory (conspiracy) that many of these have been sold when the owners will rarely actually turn up. This makes it a good way to secure seats for eg plum cup draws. Of course all clubs quote crowds on the basis of STs sold, so Rovers’ actual attendances will also be well below the official figures. You have to compare like with like. Does anybody know what actual numbers at the Mem are?
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 15, 2023 11:34:28 GMT
I doubt anybody not working for the club would know that figure, as it seems a closely guarded secret.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 15, 2023 11:42:04 GMT
I see the Hussain confirmed on Saturday the deal for the FM involved swapping the land at the Mem for a new stadium at the FM.
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Post by Gashead73 on Aug 15, 2023 11:44:58 GMT
I see the Hussain confirmed on Saturday the deal for the FM involved swapping the land at the Mem for a new stadium at the FM. Would you see that as a hindrance or possibly a good idea? I'd love to know everyone's thoughts on this
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Post by Quarters on Aug 15, 2023 12:15:24 GMT
I see the Hussain confirmed on Saturday the deal for the FM involved swapping the land at the Mem for a new stadium at the FM. Would you see that as a hindrance or possibly a good idea? I'd love to know everyone's thoughts on this Once again the devil is in the detail. All about the amount of income generated, if Rovers get 100% and the rent is low then sounds good. Needs a long lease.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 15, 2023 13:32:40 GMT
I see the Hussain confirmed on Saturday the deal for the FM involved swapping the land at the Mem for a new stadium at the FM. Would you see that as a hindrance or possibly a good idea? I'd love to know everyone's thoughts on this I just can't see how you protect against another Eastville/Coventry City situation if you don't own the land the stadium is built on, plus once the ground is sold we will never benefit from increasing land values. On the flip side how will we ever build a new stadium if we don't sell the land at the Mem to finance it?
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Post by Quarters on Aug 15, 2023 14:18:49 GMT
Would you see that as a hindrance or possibly a good idea? I'd love to know everyone's thoughts on this I just can't see how you protect against another Eastville/Coventry City situation if you don't own the land the stadium is built on, plus once the ground is sold we will never benefit from increasing land values. On the flip side how will we ever build a new stadium if we don't sell the land at the Mem to finance it? But who would want to buy the Mem if you can't build there, opps wrong thread - maybe.
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Post by perryfenwick on Aug 15, 2023 16:15:20 GMT
Would you see that as a hindrance or possibly a good idea? I'd love to know everyone's thoughts on this I just can't see how you protect against another Eastville/Coventry City situation if you don't own the land the stadium is built on, plus once the ground is sold we will never benefit from increasing land values. On the flip side how will we ever build a new stadium if we don't sell the land at the Mem to finance it? It's the club's big dilemma isn't it? Unless this geezer is going to spend his own money building a ground - and judging on the Radio Bristol interview, that's not the plan, we have 3 choices: 1. Sell Mem, buy land, build ourself - would have a gigantic funding shortfall that would not be filled by commercial finance, so you're looking at a Wimbledon style club bond and/or a crowd funder to end all crowd funders. 2. Redevelop. But the finance problem as above is still there, the site is tight, and the neighbours Dam despise us. 3. Sell the Mem and get in on some sort of lease deal. All depends on the terms. Coventry were paying £1.2m a year and getting no matchday revenue. We would've apparently got no matchday revenue at the UWE, so even if the rent was £0 we'd have been getting pumped. But it's all dependent on the deal. And who owns the freehold. A 999 year lease on a peppercorn rent based on the fact that our fans will spend spend spend at the rest of the complex? Sign me up.
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Post by darkbluegas on Aug 15, 2023 16:31:15 GMT
I just can't see how you protect against another Eastville/Coventry City situation if you don't own the land the stadium is built on, plus once the ground is sold we will never benefit from increasing land values. On the flip side how will we ever build a new stadium if we don't sell the land at the Mem to finance it? It's the club's big dilemma isn't it? Unless this geezer is going to spend his own money building a ground - and judging on the Radio Bristol interview, that's not the plan, we have 3 choices: 1. Sell Mem, buy land, build ourself - would have a gigantic funding shortfall that would not be filled by commercial finance, so you're looking at a Wimbledon style club bond and/or a crowd funder to end all crowd funders. 2. Redevelop. But the finance problem as above is still there, the site is tight, and the neighbours Dam despise us. 3. Sell the Mem and get in on some sort of lease deal. All depends on the terms. Coventry were paying £1.2m a year and getting no matchday revenue. We would've apparently got no matchday revenue at the UWE, so even if the rent was £0 we'd have been getting pumped. But it's all dependent on the deal. And who owns the freehold. A 999 year lease on a peppercorn rent based on the fact that our fans will spend spend spend at the rest of the complex? Sign me up. For some reason this seems to be the blind spot for supporters. The FM is a nice idea but there is no finance in place or any prospect of any such finance. Our new owner, like our last will happily sit in on the odd meeting with BCC and Conygar to keep the option open but it's become apparent there's no finance option open to us other than selling up everything to go back to the Eastville Greyhound Stadium days. Now that interest rates look to be remaining high for several years to come the situation is even more untenable. It's sad to see a club with potential facing the problems we do with regards to a stadium but the new owners won't be the ones to solve that particular problem
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Post by Gashead73 on Aug 15, 2023 17:52:12 GMT
Personally.....I hate the Fruit Market location regardless of thoughts of othersupporters...that is my opinion and I know I will get sh** from you all but I have my own mind regardless
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Post by darkbluegas on Aug 15, 2023 17:54:40 GMT
Personally.....I hate the Fruit Market location regardless of thoughts of othersupporters...that is my opinion and I know I will get sh** from you all but I have my own mind regardless I don't think you need to worry yourself too much about it
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