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Post by kevonthehill on Sept 4, 2023 16:25:32 GMT
I hate to add to the doom and gloom but felt the urge to post
The striking feature about everything Rovers related at the moment is a real lack of anyone taking ACCOUNTABILITY for mistakes. Every business or organisation makes mistakes, and the best ones learn from those mistakes to become better. You don’t ever get the feeling that we want to front up to our errors - it always feels like it’s someone else’s fault.
The planning permission -
Why not just say “ we were too aggressive with our assumptions and assessment of the timing of approval” - and internally deal with the perpetrator or the external advice that was bad.
The games -
Barton never ever seems to say “I just didn’t get that right today”. We need to do X and Y better. It’s always deflection to officials or the groundsman!
The transfer -
I know we are still guessing somewhat but if you are to believe Peterborough position - then the club should be taking accountability for not submitting the correct documentation in time. Even more bizarrely - what could have distracted us from asking for an extension ?
Common denominator -
Hate to say it but the lack of taking accountability stems from very senior levels here. Gorringe and / or Wael do not seem to want to ever say “we f**ked up - but this is what we will do to fix it in future”.
If Gorringe can’t handle the general management of the club because there is too much else going on (future stadium/commercials) - then the club needs to have a General Manager role installed ASAP.
(The issue goes much wider than just needing a club secretary for paperwork - that role should just be a given - and is part time / low cost).
I am sure we can all rattle off a host of stuff that a GM would be able to get on top of quickly…… food ordering levels, crackly speakers, clock, improved briefings for security who don’t know where the simplest of location's are in the ground etc etc.
Hopefully this would take some pain away from some staff to allow us to get better at other aspects that continue to frustrate the fans - such as organising the shirts earlier, the old style fun day, and having better pre-season plans that are known further in advance!!
Wael also needs to take a good look at PR as everything feels slow and vague. But then again that probably comes back to folks taking accountability. Perhaps an appearance on “Having a gas” is needed sharpish to quell all the noise at the moment.
Maybe the silence currently is because heads are about to roll - and the new ownership are going to make their mark on the day to day working of the club like they alluded to.
But this is Rovers so probably business as usual.
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Post by baggins on Sept 4, 2023 16:35:23 GMT
Heard all of this over hundreds of threads already.
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Post by gashead79 on Sept 4, 2023 16:37:33 GMT
If only we'd signed JCH or won the game on Saturday eh.
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Post by Sir Trevor B'Sol on Sept 4, 2023 16:43:57 GMT
We acknowledge your application for the position of General Manager.
If you do not receive any further contact from us you can assume you have not been successful.
Thank you for your communication.
We wish you luck in your employment search elsewhere.
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Post by okebournegas83 on Sept 4, 2023 16:46:16 GMT
Heard all of this over hundreds of threads already. I’m glad you said that , I was about to put the same thing 😂 |
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Post by kevonthehill on Sept 4, 2023 16:46:52 GMT
Heard all of this over hundreds of threads already. Apologies for my consolidation effort 🤣 |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Sept 4, 2023 16:53:34 GMT
Heard all of this over hundreds of threads already.order why that would I wonder why ? 🤔☹️💙 |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 4, 2023 16:55:04 GMT
There's a whole Rovers forum saying similar elsewhere, given Wael has been the sole owner until only recently the buck of accountability has to rest him. If he doesn't want to follow that approach then I'm not sure there's a lot we can do about it?
Whether things will change under the new owners only time will tell. Although I've a feeling they could be just following Wael's lead, or at least doing so until they get a better understanding of how the club is run, or not run, as the case may be.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 4, 2023 17:07:37 GMT
General manager may be useful, I've been calling for a Director of Communications for years.
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Sept 4, 2023 17:20:16 GMT
Mods. This thread needs it's title modified please adjust ASAP
New Title:
Clubs failure to name a Scapegoat!
Thank you
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Post by gulfofaden on Sept 5, 2023 8:45:22 GMT
When we lack accountability, we need an accountabilibuddy. That makes us accountabilibuddiable.
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Post by legas on Sept 5, 2023 9:40:11 GMT
I’m a not a big fan of votes, but perhaps we have one along the lines of “are you happy with the club’s ownership?”. Maybe just to shut people up. My vote is, in general (and acknowledging a few mistakes here and there), a big yes’ by the way.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 5, 2023 9:42:44 GMT
I hate to add to the doom and gloom but felt the urge to post The striking feature about everything Rovers related at the moment is a real lack of anyone taking ACCOUNTABILITY for mistakes. Every business or organisation makes mistakes, and the best ones learn from those mistakes to become better. You don’t ever get the feeling that we want to front up to our errors - it always feels like it’s someone else’s fault. The planning permission - Why not just say “ we were too aggressive with our assumptions and assessment of the timing of approval” - and internally deal with the perpetrator or the external advice that was bad. The games - Barton never ever seems to say “I just didn’t get that right today”. We need to do X and Y better. It’s always deflection to officials or the groundsman! The transfer - I know we are still guessing somewhat but if you are to believe Peterborough position - then the club should be taking accountability for not submitting the correct documentation in time. Even more bizarrely - what could have distracted us from asking for an extension ? Common denominator - Hate to say it but the lack of taking accountability stems from very senior levels here. Gorringe and / or Wael do not seem to want to ever say “we f**ked up - but this is what we will do to fix it in future”. If Gorringe can’t handle the general management of the club because there is too much else going on (future stadium/commercials) - then the club needs to have a General Manager role installed ASAP. (The issue goes much wider than just needing a club secretary for paperwork - that role should just be a given - and is part time / low cost). I am sure we can all rattle off a host of stuff that a GM would be able to get on top of quickly…… food ordering levels, crackly speakers, clock, improved briefings for security who don’t know where the simplest of location's are in the ground etc etc. Hopefully this would take some pain away from some staff to allow us to get better at other aspects that continue to frustrate the fans - such as organising the shirts earlier, the old style fun day, and having better pre-season plans that are known further in advance!! Wael also needs to take a good look at PR as everything feels slow and vague. But then again that probably comes back to folks taking accountability. Perhaps an appearance on “Having a gas” is needed sharpish to quell all the noise at the moment. Maybe the silence currently is because heads are about to roll - and the new ownership are going to make their mark on the day to day working of the club like they alluded to. But this is Rovers so probably business as usual.  |
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Post by Gasshole on Sept 5, 2023 10:06:55 GMT
Forget the Blame culture…….Things happen everywhere ,every day of the week not just at Rovers.
Adapt and push on , starting tonight.
UTG
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 5, 2023 10:22:44 GMT
I’m a not a big fan of votes, but perhaps we have one along the lines of “are you happy with the club’s ownership?”. Maybe just to shut people up. My vote is, in general (and acknowledging a few mistakes here and there), a big yes’ by the way. There’s a big difference in the triangle of ownership, off the field management and playing management. It’s possible to be very happy with our ownership and raise some questions about the management aspects. |
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Sept 5, 2023 11:27:22 GMT
Heard all of this over hundreds of threads already. Source ?  |
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Post by poorblue on Sept 5, 2023 11:37:11 GMT
I agree there is a lack of accountability on this forum. You can invent anything you like and nothing happens except perhaps a bit of abuse from other posters. Forum rules say post not poster mind, but who sticks to that?
Every one has an opinion but most needn't get onto this forum for it's own good (IMO) Many, but not all, Keyboard warriors venting their frustration or showing their lack of knowledge ( and information ) of issues they comment on.
Far too many I think, I thought, I presume, I assume, i guess, I feel, I take it, I understand, I sense, I suppose, I surmise, I suspect, I'm convinced, I don't know but, I heard, the hearsay is, there is a rumour, the gossip is, the grape vine is, my mate down the pub said, I read it somewhere, the other forum said, no public statement so it must be true, no statement so there must be something to hide.
UTG
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Sept 5, 2023 14:54:11 GMT
I just don’t know what to believe anymore? Disillusioned by a number of things but surprisingly not surprised when the latest problem appears.
Everything at Rovers is a bit whack-a-mole.
Looking at the recent goings on anyone with any sense would know that there isn’t some smoke without fire.
What I can’t get my head round is supporters who want to blame anyone and everyone else apart from Rovers?
The horse has bolted now anyway so just got to get on with it. Sick of being constantly in the headlines for all the wrong reasons. UTG.
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Post by baggins on Sept 5, 2023 15:04:01 GMT
I just don’t know what to believe anymore? Disillusioned by a number of things but surprisingly not surprised when the latest problem appears. Everything at Rovers is a bit whack-a-mole. Looking at the recent goings on anyone with any sense would know that there isn’t some smoke without fire. What I can’t get my head round is supporters who want to blame anyone and everyone else apart from Rovers? The horse has bolted now anyway so just got to get on with it. Sick of being constantly in the headlines for all the wrong reasons. UTG. You don't know who to believe anymore but anyone with any sense will blame Rovers? Is that what you're saying? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2023 15:19:32 GMT
I just don’t know what to believe anymore? Disillusioned by a number of things but surprisingly not surprised when the latest problem appears. Everything at Rovers is a bit whack-a-mole. Looking at the recent goings on anyone with any sense would know that there isn’t some smoke without fire. What I can’t get my head round is supporters who want to blame anyone and everyone else apart from Rovers? The horse has bolted now anyway so just got to get on with it. Sick of being constantly in the headlines for all the wrong reasons. UTG. Here here fella.
Rovers can do no wrong to so called 'fans'
Oh well let's move on now, get behind the boys on the pitch and brush another scandal under the carpet until the next cock up.
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