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Post by supergas on Apr 24, 2024 10:42:45 GMT
Good point, you missed Israelis off the list of those dying but we can gloss over that. The reason this is an important question (Rayner) is what kind of person do you want at the heart of the UK government? I’m surprised to read this post. Despite being on the other side politically, I do enjoy reading what you write and think that it’s actually balanced, considering it’s the opposite view. However, this comes across as judging before conviction. And tbh, the amount of scandals of the last 10 years that have been in the heart of our government must be a record. I’d far rather Rayner than any of those pillocks. Surely I can judge her in the same way she judges others she politically disagrees with? I have certainly read more evidence against her than she normally has when she launches into an attack on her political enemies? The main reason I keep banging on about her is that it highlights the massive double standards from her (and her party), the mainstream media and so many people on here who are defending her *despite* the evidence, yet would be happy to condemn someone they politically disagree even when it's only allegations that are being made... Rayner could clear this up today. She could have cleared it up months ago. We know she and the Labour Party hold certain documents that could be published without breaching any confidentiality rules that would disprove the long list of allegations against her. As I stated weeks back, if it *was* an error, that's not a problem - admit it and move on. It's the attempted cover-up and the bad politics that is her problem now...
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 24, 2024 10:46:31 GMT
I’m surprised to read this post. Despite being on the other side politically, I do enjoy reading what you write and think that it’s actually balanced, considering it’s the opposite view. However, this comes across as judging before conviction. And tbh, the amount of scandals of the last 10 years that have been in the heart of our government must be a record. I’d far rather Rayner than any of those pillocks. Surely I can judge her in the same way she judges others she politically disagrees with? I have certainly read more evidence against her than she normally has when she launches into an attack on her political enemies? The main reason I keep banging on about her is that it highlights the massive double standards from her (and her party), the mainstream media and so many people on here who are defending her *despite* the evidence, yet would be happy to condemn someone they politically disagree even when it's only allegations that are being made... Rayner could clear this up today. She could have cleared it up months ago. We know she and the Labour Party hold certain documents that could be published without breaching any confidentiality rules that would disprove the long list of allegations against her. As I stated weeks back, if it *was* an error, that's not a problem - admit it and move on. It's the attempted cover-up and the bad politics that is her problem now... Since when do politicians ever admit they made an error? MPs of all colours shouldn't be afraid to admit to failings.
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Post by oldie on Apr 24, 2024 10:49:36 GMT
Surely I can judge her in the same way she judges others she politically disagrees with? I have certainly read more evidence against her than she normally has when she launches into an attack on her political enemies? The main reason I keep banging on about her is that it highlights the massive double standards from her (and her party), the mainstream media and so many people on here who are defending her *despite* the evidence, yet would be happy to condemn someone they politically disagree even when it's only allegations that are being made... Rayner could clear this up today. She could have cleared it up months ago. We know she and the Labour Party hold certain documents that could be published without breaching any confidentiality rules that would disprove the long list of allegations against her. As I stated weeks back, if it *was* an error, that's not a problem - admit it and move on. It's the attempted cover-up and the bad politics that is her problem now... Since when do politicians ever admit they made an error? MPs of all colours shouldn't be afraid to admit to failings. And what is this "evidence"? Apart from statements by a neighbour and some kids/blokes breaking a window. Anybody seen any?
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Post by yattongas on Apr 24, 2024 10:52:47 GMT
Since when do politicians ever admit they made an error? MPs of all colours shouldn't be afraid to admit to failings. And what is this "evidence"? Apart from statements by a neighbour and some kids/blokes breaking a window. Anybody seen any? Nope . But Super has convinced himself she’s guilty because he really wants her to be guilty. Luckily our justice system doesn’t work like that…. Or shouldn’t 😮
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Post by oldie on Apr 24, 2024 11:02:39 GMT
And what is this "evidence"? Apart from statements by a neighbour and some kids/blokes breaking a window. Anybody seen any? Nope . But Super has convinced himself she’s guilty because he really wants her to be guilty. Luckily our justice system doesn’t work like that…. Or shouldn’t 😮 Him and the Daily Mail.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 24, 2024 11:09:03 GMT
I’m surprised to read this post. Despite being on the other side politically, I do enjoy reading what you write and think that it’s actually balanced, considering it’s the opposite view. However, this comes across as judging before conviction. And tbh, the amount of scandals of the last 10 years that have been in the heart of our government must be a record. I’d far rather Rayner than any of those pillocks. Surely I can judge her in the same way she judges others she politically disagrees with? I have certainly read more evidence against her than she normally has when she launches into an attack on her political enemies? The main reason I keep banging on about her is that it highlights the massive double standards from her (and her party), the mainstream media and so many people on here who are defending her *despite* the evidence, yet would be happy to condemn someone they politically disagree even when it's only allegations that are being made... Rayner could clear this up today. She could have cleared it up months ago. We know she and the Labour Party hold certain documents that could be published without breaching any confidentiality rules that would disprove the long list of allegations against her. As I stated weeks back, if it *was* an error, that's not a problem - admit it and move on. It's the attempted cover-up and the bad politics that is her problem now... So why don't you concentrate on the many in your own party ?. In the last week there's been two . You come across a bit desperate to score just one goal !. For the record I haven't mentioned Mark Menzies . You are in danger of becoming obsessed about Raynor super !.
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Post by supergas on Apr 24, 2024 11:15:06 GMT
Since when do politicians ever admit they made an error? MPs of all colours shouldn't be afraid to admit to failings. And what is this "evidence"? Apart from statements by a neighbour and some kids/blokes breaking a window. Anybody seen any? Scroll back up and look at the evidence I have detailed in previous posts. At *best* it's a mistake that she's tried to cover up, but at worst the evidence looks looks like she has tried to mislead HMRC, the local council and potentially her bank for quite a large financial gain. No reason for multiple neighbours at two different addresses to lie to both the media and the police. No way all her claims can all be true at the same time, and (as was recently pointed out) the Capital Gains Tax issue (now one of the least of her worries) can't be solved by her spending £23k on renovating the kitchen because if she was living there capital gains tax wouldn't be liable. She's been caught out, she's hidden from the media for six weeks, came out with a couple of car-crash interviews where she got her own history wrong, gone back into hiding and I assume is now hoping the election comes before the police release their findings. My £20 charity bet is safe. It's not the issue that is the problem, it's her attempted cover-up and her political hypocrisy that will bring her down...
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Post by supergas on Apr 24, 2024 11:16:45 GMT
Surely I can judge her in the same way she judges others she politically disagrees with? I have certainly read more evidence against her than she normally has when she launches into an attack on her political enemies? The main reason I keep banging on about her is that it highlights the massive double standards from her (and her party), the mainstream media and so many people on here who are defending her *despite* the evidence, yet would be happy to condemn someone they politically disagree even when it's only allegations that are being made... Rayner could clear this up today. She could have cleared it up months ago. We know she and the Labour Party hold certain documents that could be published without breaching any confidentiality rules that would disprove the long list of allegations against her. As I stated weeks back, if it *was* an error, that's not a problem - admit it and move on. It's the attempted cover-up and the bad politics that is her problem now... So why don't you concentrate on the many in your own party ?. In the last week there's been two . You come across a bit desperate to score just one goal !. Plenty reporting what a few Conservative MPs have done. Why is no one (seemingly apart from me on here) holding the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party to the same standards...?
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Post by oldie on Apr 24, 2024 11:18:38 GMT
And what is this "evidence"? Apart from statements by a neighbour and some kids/blokes breaking a window. Anybody seen any? Scroll back up and look at the evidence I have detailed in previous posts. At *best* it's a mistake that she's tried to cover up, but at worst the evidence looks looks like she has tried to mislead HMRC, the local council and potentially her bank for quite a large financial gain. No reason for multiple neighbours at two different addresses to lie to both the media and the police. No way all her claims can all be true at the same time, and (as was recently pointed out) the Capital Gains Tax issue (now one of the least of her worries) can't be solved by her spending £23k on renovating the kitchen because if she was living there capital gains tax wouldn't be liable. She's been caught out, she's hidden from the media for six weeks, came out with a couple of car-crash interviews where she got her own history wrong, gone back into hiding and I assume is now hoping the election comes before the police release their findings. My £20 charity bet is safe. It's not the issue that is the problem, it's her attempted cover-up and her political hypocrisy that will bring her down... You quoted the Daily Mail, primarily and then claim the case is made. That's tosh. If she falsely completed a HMRC Self Assessment then as I said, the HMRC will be after, with fines. Are they?
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Post by yattongas on Apr 24, 2024 11:20:07 GMT
So why don't you concentrate on the many in your own party ?. In the last week there's been two . You come across a bit desperate to score just one goal !. Plenty reporting what a few Conservative MPs have done. Why is no one (seemingly apart from me on here) holding the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party to the same standards...? Because everyone else realises it’s a storm in a tea cup that will ultimately fade away when the daily Mail gets bored with it . 🙄
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 24, 2024 11:20:36 GMT
So why don't you concentrate on the many in your own party ?. In the last week there's been two . You come across a bit desperate to score just one goal !. Plenty reporting what a few Conservative MPs have done. Why is no one (seemingly apart from me on here) holding the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party to the same standards...? We are all aware of the investigation about Raynor. However you seem to be giving a running commentary day after day . Like I asked have I mentioned Menzies ?.
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Post by oldie on Apr 24, 2024 11:22:25 GMT
So why don't you concentrate on the many in your own party ?. In the last week there's been two . You come across a bit desperate to score just one goal !. Plenty reporting what a few Conservative MPs have done. Why is no one (seemingly apart from me on here) holding the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party to the same standards...? To take just one example, because as far as I am aware she didn't call a 73 year old to ask for £5k at 3 o'clock in the morning claiming a life or death situation and then repay that amount from local campaign funds. Let's just consider that.
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Post by yattongas on Apr 24, 2024 11:27:43 GMT
Rayner just rinsed Oliver Dowdenn in PMQ’s . You should have a listen supergas 😂😂😂
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Post by supergas on Apr 24, 2024 11:31:42 GMT
Scroll back up and look at the evidence I have detailed in previous posts. At *best* it's a mistake that she's tried to cover up, but at worst the evidence looks looks like she has tried to mislead HMRC, the local council and potentially her bank for quite a large financial gain. No reason for multiple neighbours at two different addresses to lie to both the media and the police. No way all her claims can all be true at the same time, and (as was recently pointed out) the Capital Gains Tax issue (now one of the least of her worries) can't be solved by her spending £23k on renovating the kitchen because if she was living there capital gains tax wouldn't be liable. She's been caught out, she's hidden from the media for six weeks, came out with a couple of car-crash interviews where she got her own history wrong, gone back into hiding and I assume is now hoping the election comes before the police release their findings. My £20 charity bet is safe. It's not the issue that is the problem, it's her attempted cover-up and her political hypocrisy that will bring her down... You quoted the Daily Mail, primarily and then claim the case is made. That's tosh. If she falsely completed a HMRC Self Assessment then as I said, the HMRC will be after, with fines. Are they? Mail, Telegraph, Times - eventually even the BBC and the Guardian got around to most of the allegations in detail once they were covered more widely by a few political bloggers following the money... Anyway, if people are unwilling to look at the allegations in detail as they stack up against her I will refrain from updating you all and leave you to your own media choices. But surely we can all agree that the local police won't assign 12 detectives to look at made-up political smears...?
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Post by yattongas on Apr 24, 2024 11:38:23 GMT
You quoted the Daily Mail, primarily and then claim the case is made. That's tosh. If she falsely completed a HMRC Self Assessment then as I said, the HMRC will be after, with fines. Are they? Mail, Telegraph, Times - eventually even the BBC and the Guardian got around to most of the allegations in detail once they were covered more widely by a few political bloggers following the money... Anyway, if people are unwilling to look at the allegations in detail as they stack up against her I will refrain from updating you all and leave you to your own media choices. But surely we can all agree that the local police won't assign 12 detectives to look at made-up political smears...? Oh don’t stop Super , it’s great entertainment !
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 24, 2024 11:44:59 GMT
So why don't you concentrate on the many in your own party ?. In the last week there's been two . You come across a bit desperate to score just one goal !. Plenty reporting what a few Conservative MPs have done. Why is no one (seemingly apart from me on here) holding the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party to the same standards...? Because life moves on. I don't obbsess about the Wiltshire MP or Menzies or even Wragg all Tories.
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Post by yattongas on Apr 24, 2024 11:50:07 GMT
Plenty reporting what a few Conservative MPs have done. Why is no one (seemingly apart from me on here) holding the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party to the same standards...? Because life moves on. I don't obbsess about the Wiltshire MP or Menzies or even Wragg all Tories. It’s more like we can’t keep up with the Tory scandals. You get your head around one and they’re already committing the next one ! 😂
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Post by supergas on Apr 24, 2024 11:58:59 GMT
Rayner just rinsed Oliver Dowdenn in PMQ’s . You should have a listen supergas 😂😂😂 I just did. You think Rayner came out on top? Neither said a lot of any great value but at least Dowden made some good jokes (which I'm pretty sure even some Labour MPs sniggered at). All in all a low score-draw, Rayner not as good as she has been in the past (in terms of thinking on her feet, it was *very* scripted) and Dowden not really challenged to reply to anything he wasn't expecting. As I have mentioned before, I used to like Rayner in terms of being a disruptor - challenging the political norms from her fairly unique point of view. Today she looked like a shadow of her former self...
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 24, 2024 12:10:10 GMT
So why don't you concentrate on the many in your own party ?. In the last week there's been two . You come across a bit desperate to score just one goal !. Plenty reporting what a few Conservative MPs have done. Why is no one (seemingly apart from me on here) holding the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party to the same standards...? Aghast, Gassy (I think) and I all agree she needs to answer questions, we've stated that previously. If anything, the individual Conservative MPs have got off lightly on here, the initial headline then moved on....to the next one.
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Post by yattongas on Apr 24, 2024 12:10:50 GMT
Rayner just rinsed Oliver Dowdenn in PMQ’s . You should have a listen supergas 😂😂😂 I just did. You think Rayner came out on top? Neither said a lot of any great value but at least Dowden made some good jokes (which I'm pretty sure even some Labour MPs sniggered at). All in all a low score-draw, Rayner not as good as she has been in the past (in terms of thinking on her feet, it was *very* scripted) and Dowden not really challenged to reply to anything he wasn't expecting. As I have mentioned before, I used to like Rayner in terms of being a disruptor - challenging the political norms from her fairly unique point of view. Today she looked like a shadow of her former self... Really ? She totally disarmed Dowden from the off going on housing . He was flustered and floundering. Funny how we see and hear things differently ! 😃👍
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