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Post by stapletongas on Feb 13, 2015 15:49:20 GMT
Is Darrell right? www.bristolpost.co.uk/Bristol-Rovers-manager-Darrell-Clarke-calls/story-26019710-detail/story.htmlI imagine opinions will vary depending on which side of the trap door you are. I would also imagine that the decision will be a complicated one given that we are talking about movement between 2 different organisations in the Football League and the Conference. Football League members will likely have a majority in favour of keeping things the way they are thank you very much, while Conference members will be saying yes please. Few will look at the bigger picture and the wider interests of football. It will certainly make the bottom half of League 2 more competitive and the top of the Conference too and that is in the interests of football. Naturally when you are the wrong side of the trap door, as we are, we all say a big resounding yes. I would still say yes if we were in League 2. My general observation is that while the quality isn't great at the top of the Conference, neither is the quality at the bottom of League 2 and there are probably more than 2 teams in the Conference that deserve League 2 football over some that are currently there and seem to cling on season after season. Meanwhile there's a bit of a bottleneck the other side of the trap door a clubs genuinely striving for progress and deserving of it. Can't see it happening though, but a good topic of conversation.
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Post by nolongernonleaguegas on Feb 13, 2015 16:01:08 GMT
I don't like how you can finish 2nd in this league and not go up but finish 7th in league two and get promoted ( as we know ) but rules are rules I suppose
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 13, 2015 16:26:11 GMT
I said this time last year (and have been saying for years) it should be 5 up 5 down for every league (and 4 to the prem).
The instinct is to keep it narrow, because people are frightened of relegation, but if relegation was less frightening, it would be better for football across the board, imo.
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Post by ineedgas on Feb 13, 2015 16:29:30 GMT
If your struggling in league 2 or 4th division as once called, which 50% of teams are and you have the vote for more teams to be relegated it e'nt going to happen Unless your daft enough to vote for a bloke in red trousers Glad nobody from Bristol has a say
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Post by daniel300380 on Feb 13, 2015 18:45:11 GMT
I don't like how you can finish 2nd in this league and not go up but finish 7th in league two and get promoted ( as we know ) but rules are rules I suppose We came 6th when we went up didn't we??? Agree with your point though.
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Post by Mark Ash on Feb 13, 2015 20:07:18 GMT
It must be possible to get change: it has happened. When I was alive, no team got relegated from the old division four - the bottom team applied for re-election to the FL and the other 91 chairmen all said yes. About once a decade a new team might get in.
This is why I can never take clubs like Yeovil, Fleetwood, Burton etc seriously - they weren't one of the 92 so they don't count!
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 13, 2015 20:16:45 GMT
Not sure if we need to go as far 5 up/down but surely 3 minimum makes sense? Although I can't recall DC suggesting this last season?
As someone else says it will be like turkeys voting for Christmas!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 20:23:01 GMT
2 up exists as a quality control on the conference because in the past it was mostly semi-pro teams. Now there are more pro teams down here I can see an argument for it.
Think Clarke should be focusing on winning the league though. We are good enough, we shouldn't have to gerrymander.
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Post by cagastrophy on Feb 13, 2015 21:20:58 GMT
I like something I think is from the German system where the highest ranked non-promoted team have a playoff with the lowest ranked non relegated club for who stays up/gets promoted.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Feb 13, 2015 22:31:06 GMT
Not sure if we need to go as far 5 up/down but surely 3 minimum makes sense? Although I can't recall DC suggesting this last season? As someone else says it will be like turkeys voting for Christmas! DC only talked about this in response to a question
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 22:38:31 GMT
I like something I think is from the German system where the highest ranked non-promoted team have a playoff with the lowest ranked non relegated club for who stays up/gets promoted. That'd be great fun.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 22:49:59 GMT
I said this time last year (and have been saying for years) it should be 5 up 5 down for every league (and 4 to the prem). The instinct is to keep it narrow, because people are frightened of relegation, but if relegation was less frightening, it would be better for football across the board, imo. Can't agree. It should be the same in every division. 3 up 3 down, too many going up or down would waterdown the competition. Defo think the prem needs to be taken down a peg or two though, the £4 billion TV deal is obscene.
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Post by midlandgas213 on Feb 13, 2015 23:13:47 GMT
Why not keep it simple the bottom half of one division is replaced by the top half of the division below all down the league
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Post by Windmill Hill Gas on Feb 15, 2015 23:21:14 GMT
I like something I think is from the German system where the highest ranked non-promoted team have a playoff with the lowest ranked non relegated club for who stays up/gets promoted. When the play offs were first introduced in the football league they did this.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Feb 16, 2015 7:25:46 GMT
Thought the Premiership deal was worth 5.136 Billion?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 7:46:26 GMT
Thought the Premiership deal was worth 5.136 Billion? That might be what they paid,but its not what its worth. For anyone who moans about how the Premiershit is ruining football the solution is simple. Cancel your sky sports package.
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Post by Mark Ash on Feb 16, 2015 8:03:01 GMT
Best thing would be to have both: the Prem can generate billions from TV and this can be used to improve facilities in clubs at all levels, including ours. If football can make such money, let the money help football.
Instead, it just goes straight to higher and higher wages and fees. Bonkers and pointless.
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Post by Mark Ash on Feb 16, 2015 14:47:09 GMT
After all (he said, warming to his theme), it's not as if the Prem could exist without the divisions below. There are only 6 or 7 teams that people pay Sky to watch, nationally or worldwide, and the others just come out of the FL to provide opposition. You can't be at the top of the tree without a tree. So look after the tree.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 15:20:58 GMT
I don't agree. The top 10 couldn't give a f**k about the FL. The prem would vote for no relegation tomorrow and I bet you could count the no votes on the fingers of one stump.
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Post by Mark Ash on Feb 16, 2015 15:33:11 GMT
But where would they get their players from?
Abroad, I suppose. Or vast academies that would scrutinise every schoolchild from sperm to 14, discarding 99.99999% to be made into burgers.
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