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Post by stevek192 on Feb 26, 2015 22:21:30 GMT
Just wondered because it amazes me the number who criticise and to be honest at times insult our own players with some of the things that are said. You really would think that we are actually bottom of the league. If it isn't Harrison,its Blissett, then its Leadbitter,then Balanta and I just wonder what sort of players people expect us to have in the Conference. I can understand people having different views on players and criticising individual performances after each game in the context of that game but this is pretty well saying that certain players are not good enough to be playing at all. I really do wonder sometimes why players bother to sign for us. The problem now is that it is becoming more and more noticeable that the sort of comments on the forum are actually being made verbally at players during the game.
We now need to get behind DC and every player who is selected if we are to stand a chance of winning this League.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Feb 26, 2015 22:31:22 GMT
Agreed, and the great thing about our squad is that with the obvious exceptions of Wakefield who has yet to play and Easter who was injured shortly into his first appearance, EVERY player in the squad has stood up and made vital contributions. There are no passengers and it is a delight to see. They are not the most talented squad we've had in recent years but they are the most united and hard working and fully deserve our backing.
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Post by Mark Ash on Feb 26, 2015 22:45:03 GMT
It can be frustrating, but 'twas ever thus. I remember being in pubs on a Saturday night in the 70s and people argued about their own players when they supported Liverpool, Leeds etc, winning the League or cups. Arsenal fans attack Wenger, West Ham fans attack Allardyce in their best season for years. Last year, quite a few Man Utd voices could be heard having a go at Ferguson for the team he left Moyes - and it had won the title!
I don't think we're any different from the rest, but modern IT does mean that we exchange opinions 24 hours a day, and sober, and it can seem a bit like unnecessary criticism in the cold glare of day. Part of the package of being a fan is being an "expert" without responsibility.
Players generally play at their talent level; fans always want more. Otherwise we'd have nothing to hope for.
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Post by pirateman on Feb 26, 2015 22:54:50 GMT
I remember when Sheffield Wednesday were third in the premiership under Howard Wilkinson, there was some twonk on 606 saying 'He's got to go David'
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Post by Staffordshire Gas on Feb 26, 2015 22:55:40 GMT
I live near the Potteries.Stoke fans moan about lack of goals,lack of stadium expansion etc, just as we do.Being Premier division or Conference, we face the same frustrations.So glad we are doing so well at the moment.Please God,let us go back up this year and play teams like the mighty Accrington Stanley and Morecambe next season.
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Post by aghast on Feb 26, 2015 23:16:53 GMT
These things are all relative. If I were a Sheffield United fan standing in their excellent 32,000 seater stadium I might be whinging at anything less than a 6-0 win in League 1. Or a Pompey fan standing at Fratton Park watching them playing muppets who beat them every other week.
When these things happen to a "big" club at their relative level, with a "big" fanbase, then a lot of people are going to comment.
I imagine Accrington Stanley fans are just delirious about being where they are.
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Post by kylegas on Feb 27, 2015 0:15:36 GMT
I don't see anything wrong with a bit of criticism, it doesn't even have to be an entirely negative thing, but some people take it to far and it almost becomes a personal attack on individuals, I'm guilty of it when it comes to Lockyer, Ive complained about his passing on several occasions but always try to make a point of saying I do like him and he does have great ability in other areas, Taylor is the big target for attack rather then criticism, some people rate him to highly for sure but on the other side some people are way to hard on him, he's a decent non league striker, but I think he should stay non league, regardless not many teams in the league have a better striker this season, for example alty have Damien Reeves who's 3rd top scorer with a few more then Taylor, I didn't for one split second look at him n think "wow I'd rather have him" I just hope Easter can take a load off Taylor by coming in and scoring some goals and also Lockyer can finally play as a centre back... In league 2 haha
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 1:47:20 GMT
i think theres quite a large group of rovers fans who simply cant accept were in the conference and no position in the league[even top] is good enough for them.
i take a different view and have enjoyed this season very much but i can understand the other point of view
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 1:49:01 GMT
We haven't exactly played superb football all season.
Yet we're top of the league.
Personally I'm struggling to know how to feel about it. On one hand I'm chuffed, but I can't get too chuffed because we've scraped a shitload of odd-goal wins.
It's an odd one. Can't be disappointed with top of the league obviously, I suppose in response to the OP if we were playing decent stuff regularly there would be less criticism? I understand why people are critical tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 1:50:28 GMT
i think theres quite a large group of rovers fans who simply cant accept were in the conference and no position in the league[even top] is good enough for them. i take a different view and have enjoyed this season very much but i can understand the other point of view This is true |
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Post by mehewmagic on Feb 27, 2015 2:26:27 GMT
Am I enjoying the actual games /play? - Not massively
Am I frustrated - Yes
Am I very happy at getting 3 points a lot, being unbeaten in 19, losing once in 29, unbeaten away since early September, and closing a large gap to go top of the league - You bet!!
Do you think Barnet fans would currently love the feeling of the paragraph above - Hell yes!!
Football fans are mostly deluded. Apart from the top teams in the top leagues you will rarely consistently get attractive football and long unbeaten runs.
we need 2 months, just 2 months of total support and noise.
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Post by long john silver on Feb 27, 2015 5:49:03 GMT
Everyones always going to hold different opinions about different players , our success this year has been more about being a good team than having individuals winning games for us . That's probably testament to Darrel Clark . I'm Personally encouraged by the fact we have just gone top and we probably still got a bit in the locker. The people who complain are a minority and would still be complaining if we had back to back promotions and won the fa cup , some people just like to moan.
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Post by Fat Albert on Feb 27, 2015 7:24:14 GMT
I can understand people's frustration especially with the recent years we've endured. I think the disparity in wages of fans and players plays a part in this though.
It's almost as though in the old days players at lower levels earnt similar wages to your average Joe, but now even at this level some footballers earn a lot more than most of us.
I truly think this detachment makes people think "if he earns that much he can put up with my abuse, I know I would for that money!"
Not my way of thinking personally, but I do sort of get it. Only trouble is what footballer wouldn't want to play out of their skin every week? Surely there can be no better feeling than 6/7 thousand people cheering your name?
I just think at this level the players aren't good enough to warrant some of the wages they get, and although not true some people really do think they could do better.
All that said I too was surprised to hear a few random boos when things weren't going right. (Only a handful mind)
UTG
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Post by Rod1883 on Feb 27, 2015 7:32:08 GMT
Just wondered because it amazes me the number who criticise and to be honest at times insult our own players with some of the things that are said. You really would think that we are actually bottom of the league. If it isn't Harrison,its Blissett, then its Leadbitter,then Balanta and I just wonder what sort of players people expect us to have in the Conference. I can understand people having different views on players and criticising individual performances after each game in the context of that game but this is pretty well saying that certain players are not good enough to be playing at all. I really do wonder sometimes why players bother to sign for us. The problem now is that it is becoming more and more noticeable that the sort of comments on the forum are actually being made verbally at players during the game.We now need to get behind DC and every player who is selected if we are to stand a chance of winning this League. People are entitled to their opinion, and a forum is where we can all exchange those views and have a debate over those differences of opinion. But I agree where it goes too far is when it turns into personal abuse as per the last sentence in your first paragraph Steve. Yes we all want to be back in the league, and ideally back at what we believe to be our proper level of League 1/Championship - but let's get behind the team we have now, where we are now, so that we can at least make that first step toward where we should be this season.
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Post by truegas on Feb 27, 2015 7:38:39 GMT
Everyones always going to hold different opinions about different players , our success this year has been more about being a good team than having individuals winning games for us . That's probably testament to Darrel Clark . I'm Personally encouraged by the fact we have just gone top and we probably still got a bit in the locker. The people who complain are a minority and would still be complaining if we had back to back promotions and won the fa cup , some people just like to moan. Cant agree with that last bit. No serious Gashead would moan the tiniest bit if we'd had back to back promotions, let alone won the FA Cup!! I can understand both sides of the argument. After spending so many years waiting for some success, we actually went further in the wrong direction, and for a lot of Gasheads, dropping out of the league was just a step too far. In recent weeks I have found myself saying: let's get our ''too big for this league'' heads out our asses and make sure we drive the boys on to promotion, BUT for plenty of people who've supported the Rovers for years and years, nothing that we do in the Conference would ever be good enough... not even being top of the league. The fact that Brostol Rovers would win the Conference ought to be so obvious that it's nowhere near worth thinking about - and I can understand that people feel like that. And it's why we've been on a great run of form, knocking on the door of top spot, and yet still aren't getting 7k at home. I know plenty of people who spent decades supporting the gas, caring about it so much and desperately dreaming for the club to do well, but just don't go anymore because it's too much to take. There's only so much suffering that some supporters can take. I would think that the people who are criticising and moaning a lot, are people who are close to the point of not being able to face it anymore, but are still desperately clinging on... still putting themselves through it. These Gasheads (including myself) are so so disappointed/frustrated/hurt by where we are and feel that seeing as they are still supporting the club, they still have a right to voice their views/feelings. So although I can understand the Gasheads who have stopped coming, I'd much rather have people still coming to support the team/club and moaning, than have people who don't come at all. If everyone gave up (which believe me, a lot of people are close to) then the Club would die. So I kind of feel that we should be grateful that our crowds have held up as well as they have, even if the moans and groans are spilling out occasionally. UTG! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 7:50:32 GMT
We haven't exactly played superb football all season. Yet we're top of the league. Personally I'm struggling to know how to feel about it. On one hand I'm chuffed, but I can't get too chuffed because we've scraped a shitload of odd-goal wins. It's an odd one. Can't be disappointed with top of the league obviously, I suppose in response to the OP if we were playing decent stuff regularly there would be less criticism? I understand why people are critical tbh. Well done, you saved me the bother of posting anything. Exactly sums up how I feel. |
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Post by Dr Gas on Feb 27, 2015 8:14:43 GMT
We haven't exactly played superb football all season. Yet we're top of the league. Personally I'm struggling to know how to feel about it. On one hand I'm chuffed, but I can't get too chuffed because we've scraped a shitload of odd-goal wins. It's an odd one. Can't be disappointed with top of the league obviously, I suppose in response to the OP if we were playing decent stuff regularly there would be less criticism? I understand why people are critical tbh. If only we had a team capable of scraping odd-goal wins in 1999/2000/2001.
It may not be pretty but it is proving effective thus far. To me, the end justifies the means.
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Post by long john silver on Feb 27, 2015 8:55:14 GMT
Everyones always going to hold different opinions about different players , our success this year has been more about being a good team than having individuals winning games for us . That's probably testament to Darrel Clark . I'm Personally encouraged by the fact we have just gone top and we probably still got a bit in the locker. The people who complain are a minority and would still be complaining if we had back to back promotions and won the fa cup , some people just like to moan. Cant agree with that last bit. No serious Gashead would moan the tiniest bit if we'd had back to back promotions, let alone won the FA Cup!! I can understand both sides of the argument. After spending so many years waiting for some success, we actually went further in the wrong direction, and for a lot of Gasheads, dropping out of the league was just a step too far. In recent weeks I have found myself saying: let's get our ''too big for this league'' heads out our asses and make sure we drive the boys on to promotion, BUT for plenty of people who've supported the Rovers for years and years, nothing that we do in the Conference would ever be good enough... not even being top of the league. The fact that Brostol Rovers would win the Conference ought to be so obvious that it's nowhere near worth thinking about - and I can understand that people feel like that. And it's why we've been on a great run of form, knocking on the door of top spot, and yet still aren't getting 7k at home. I know plenty of people who spent decades supporting the gas, caring about it so much and desperately dreaming for the club to do well, but just don't go anymore because it's too much to take. There's only so much suffering that some supporters can take. I would think that the people who are criticising and moaning a lot, are people who are close to the point of not being able to face it anymore, but are still desperately clinging on... still putting themselves through it. These Gasheads (including myself) are so so disappointed/frustrated/hurt by where we are and feel that seeing as they are still supporting the club, they still have a right to voice their views/feelings. So although I can understand the Gasheads who have stopped coming, I'd much rather have people still coming to support the team/club and moaning, than have people who don't come at all. If everyone gave up (which believe me, a lot of people are close to) then the Club would die. So I kind of feel that we should be grateful that our crowds have held up as well as they have, even if the moans and groans are spilling out occasionally. UTG! That's a good point , i suppose we should be grateful were getting people through the gate whether there complaining about the football or not. I haven't checked but i'm pretty sure attendances are up on last year and if we were to go up and were operating at the business end of league two we would be hitting that +7k mark. but that's just getting way ahead of myself thinking about that. |
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 27, 2015 9:02:31 GMT
Some very interesting views and its ok comparing us to other teams but I thought we were supposed to be the "Best" fans. Lets be fair every player in this squad gives 100% every week.Unfortunately 100% effort will not always result in a good performance but the same cannot be said for a supporter. There is no reason why we can't support the lads 100% each match because we don't need any particular talent to get behind them so our performance levels are only down to what we feel like. Heaven help the team if we were in the bottom half!!!
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Post by Centenary Gas on Feb 27, 2015 9:05:27 GMT
As long as the players give 100% that is all I can ask, and they won't face any critisism from me.
If the team isn't winning, then those above should get any stick. Since we are top of the league, DC and the team won't either. I am a big fan of how things are being done, contracts, attitudes etc.
I make a conscious effort to watch what I shout given the above. Everyone has a role to play in providing the right type of support, perhaps more now more than ever.
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