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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 2, 2015 9:40:04 GMT
So, when a ref makes a few crappy decisions that seem to go unfairly against us, and we sing 'You don't know what you're doing.' Does it:
Help redress the balance, show the ref the error of his ways and point him towards fairer decisions?
Cow him into giving decisions our way?
Makes him resolve to not give us stuff, coz that will teach us a lesson?
Make him even more likely to give decisions against us?
No effect at all?
None of the above?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 9:44:53 GMT
So, when a ref makes a few crappy decisions that seem to go unfairly against us, and we sing 'You don't know what you're doing.' Does it: Help redress the balance, show the ref the error of his ways and point him towards fairer decisions? Cow him into giving decisions our way? Makes him resolve to not give us stuff, coz that will teach us a lesson? Make him even more likely to give decisions against us? No effect at all? None of the above? Has no effect at all, they're trained for it. Linesmen on the other hand... |
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on May 2, 2015 11:08:52 GMT
It seemed to spur the ref on to get even worse as the game went on Wednesday night.
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Post by long john silver on May 2, 2015 11:31:16 GMT
i think refs can be influenced by a crowd but probably more with heat of the moment decisions than anything else.
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Post by empirebaypete on May 2, 2015 11:40:09 GMT
So, when a ref makes a few crappy decisions that seem to go unfairly against us, and we sing 'You don't know what you're doing.' Does it: Help redress the balance, show the ref the error of his ways and point him towards fairer decisions? Cow him into giving decisions our way? Makes him resolve to not give us stuff, coz that will teach us a lesson? Make him even more likely to give decisions against us? No effect at all? None of the above? You obviously don't know what you're doing! You should have had a poll. |
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Post by blackthorngas on May 2, 2015 11:42:07 GMT
I do think that when faced with a massively partisan crowd sometimes they are determined to show that they cannot be swayed. This could surely work against us. Just have to hope for a strong minded but above all fair performance.
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Post by inee on May 2, 2015 12:02:10 GMT
I do think that when faced with a massively partisan crowd sometimes they are determined to show that they cannot be swayed. This could surely work against us. Just have to hope for a strong minded but above all fair performance. Would agree with this you can see it sometimes its almost like the pea inside a refs head rattles ,he look and things im not scared of you lot then blows up for some fantasy offence. I think it all depends on the individual ref, the good one dont give a toss what's being said and seem to control games well. Others seem to get a god complex and do what the hell they want, They should be neutral but the majority arn't and will favour one club over another it's human nature. we see this every week, some weeks it should be renamed whistle ball, some get it right and play advantage to let the game flow. i think playoffs should have their own set of fully qualified and trained refs |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 2, 2015 12:12:54 GMT
So, when a ref makes a few crappy decisions that seem to go unfairly against us, and we sing 'You don't know what you're doing.' Does it: Help redress the balance, show the ref the error of his ways and point him towards fairer decisions? Cow him into giving decisions our way? Makes him resolve to not give us stuff, coz that will teach us a lesson? Make him even more likely to give decisions against us? No effect at all? None of the above? You obviously don't know what you're doing! You should have had a poll. Graham Poll? |
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Post by inee on May 2, 2015 12:15:24 GMT
You obviously don't know what you're doing! You should have had a poll. Graham Poll? Thinking of FGR players and how they play dirty dint you mean Pol Pot (showing me age there) |
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Post by Jester on May 2, 2015 12:45:52 GMT
As an ex-referee, who reffed at just below Conference level (Who thought Swabey was awful on Wednesday and definitely bottled the Clough RED card!), It rarely affected me what the crowd chanted/said!
I gave what I saw and looked for help from assistants if I didn't see something. However, I won't say I wasn't tempted to give/not give decisions when a team/crowd had a go at me! I'm only human (Despite what some of the players/crowd said!). I found that if you treated players like human beings they would normally respond accordingly and you wouldn't get any problems. The standard of refereeing in the conference has been pretty abysmal, in my opinion, (the Alfreton at home ref being one notable exception!) mainly because the average conference refs are young(er) have rarely played the game a decent standard, so don't really understand the game like an ex-player, and are being 'fast tracked' to the Football League, so they are trying to make an impression. Very often they try to 'impose' themselves on a game and don't have sufficient 'man management' skills to do that, which causes them to lose control and they try to make up for it by making decisions when they shouldn't and end up 'getting it wrong'!
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 13:17:15 GMT
It certainly felt at the time that the sheer amount of bile from the away end was the only thing that saved Tom Parkes from a red card at Macclesfield.
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Post by diddygas on May 2, 2015 17:12:39 GMT
For me it is more the players than the crowd that can influence refereeing. Arguing and bitching about decisions actually sets the ref against you. When someone has been giving me stick I think to myself. "1st opportunity & you're in the book". It is really difficult not to favour the nicer team. This also applies to crowd & coaching staff to a lesser degree.
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Post by Strange Gas on May 3, 2015 6:55:25 GMT
Agree, its all about control of the game on the pitch. Win attention and respect of players in 1st 5 mins or you don't have a chance. Crowd can't be ignored but is far more about the players.
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Post by Gas4life!!! on May 3, 2015 8:12:40 GMT
So, when a ref makes a few crappy decisions that seem to go unfairly against us, and we sing 'You don't know what you're doing.' Does it: Help redress the balance, show the ref the error of his ways and point him towards fairer decisions? Cow him into giving decisions our way?
Makes him resolve to not give us stuff, coz that will teach us a lesson? Make him even more likely to give decisions against us? No effect at all? None of the above? I know the refs are bad ........ but do him with a cow surely thats gunna hurt!! |
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Post by seanclevedongas on May 3, 2015 8:14:32 GMT
But what if someone runs on the pitch and punches the cow??
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Post by Gas-Ed on May 3, 2015 8:37:57 GMT
The players can certainly influence a referee in their favour. Chelsea vs PSG a couple of months ago is a good example. Clearly, it was a tactic, that when the first strong tackle was made by a PSG player, all Chelsea players pile in waving their arms. That made the referee think he has seen something he hadn't. It worked an absolute treat because it was the whole team in the referee's face. Without that reaction, Zlatan wouldn't have been booked, let alone sent off.
fans, on the other hand probably can't have the same affect. Referees know fans will claim everything and shout abuse when the decision is not given. It happens every week.
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Post by Gas4life!!! on May 3, 2015 8:39:26 GMT
Well im sure cowing him will mooooootivate him.
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Post by inee on May 3, 2015 10:46:13 GMT
But what if someone runs on the pitch and punches the cow?? Oi leave wendy alone, whilst typing that i braced for an agonising ouch me ribs moment ,but all i got was wendy laughing, cool wife  |
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