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Post by Cantankerous Gas on Jun 5, 2015 15:21:56 GMT
 From the Football League AGM........ * If a club goes into Administration it will be an immediate 12 point deduction (increase from 10) * If a club has a managerial vacancy they must interview black candidates * Regulations relating to club ownership were amended so that clubs will now be required to notify The Football League if an individual acquires a club shareholding of 10% or more. This is in addition to the existing requirement to publish this information on their website * FL Chairmen & CEO's suggest the Annual AGM should be extended as it is difficult to work in the 85-90 degree temperatures  |
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Post by supergas on Jun 5, 2015 15:27:24 GMT
* If a club has a managerial vacancy they must interview black candidates I heard this racist-decree (supposedly anti-racist) wasn't coming in until 2016/17? |
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Post by baggins on Jun 5, 2015 15:31:02 GMT
Nice to see no expense spared on the pens.
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Post by Cantankerous Gas on Jun 5, 2015 15:32:23 GMT
* If a club has a managerial vacancy they must interview black candidates I heard this racist-decree (supposedly anti-racist) wasn't coming in until 2016/17? Yeah. I think you're correct. |
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Post by Centenary Gas on Jun 5, 2015 16:11:13 GMT
How about 3 up 3 down with the results of who voted for and against made public?
As for the Rooney Rule, it's going to feel really good for a black candidate when there is a chance they are only being interviewed for quota reasons... The key to equality isn't positive discrimination.. still, whatever Kick it out shouts for I suppose
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Post by stgeorgegas on Jun 5, 2015 16:17:22 GMT
* If a club has a managerial vacancy they must interview black candidates How ridiculous, what happens if no black people apply? we go out and find some random guy on the street to interview just to meet regulations Actively seek black applicants even if they are unsuitable? Surely skin colour shouldn't even come into the equation. I understand the reasoning behind it, the percentage of professional football managers who are black is tiny... but I find it hard to believe this is because football clubs are racist in how they hire people, who would actually think 'hes a perfect candidate but i'm not going to employ him because his skin is too dark', the person they employ should be the best candidate irregardless of skin colour. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 16:19:53 GMT
inb4 race debate
edit: too late
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Post by pirateman on Jun 5, 2015 16:21:42 GMT
* If a club has a managerial vacancy they must interview black candidates How ridiculous, what happens if no black people apply? we go out and find some random guy on the street to interview just to meet regulations Actively seek black applicants even if they are unsuitable? Surely skin colour shouldn't even come into the equation. I understand the reasoning behind it, the percentage of professional football managers who are black is tiny... but I find it hard to believe this is because football clubs are racist in how they hire people, who would actually think 'hes a perfect candidate but i'm not going to employ him because his skin is too dark', the person they employ should be the best candidate irregardless of skin colour. Yeah, I am sure a black manager would be really pleased to be employed just to make up some quota - how patronising |
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Post by supergas on Jun 5, 2015 16:25:02 GMT
Surely skin colour shouldn't even come into the equation. I understand the reasoning behind it, the percentage of professional football managers who are black is tiny... but I find it hard to believe this is because football clubs are racist in how they hire people, who would actually think 'hes a perfect candidate but i'm not going to employ him because his skin is too dark', the person they employ should be the best candidate irregardless of skin colour. Well the problem isn't the number of candidates who are 'BME'...or the number of suitable candidates who are 'BME'...the only people who can really answer why more BME candidates aren't appointed is the same people who hire or don't hire them....so forcing them to interview someone they won't hire anyway will work for about (and I'm guessing here) 2% of vacancies...is that better or worse than where we are now? |
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Post by stgeorgegas on Jun 5, 2015 16:52:04 GMT
Surely skin colour shouldn't even come into the equation. I understand the reasoning behind it, the percentage of professional football managers who are black is tiny... but I find it hard to believe this is because football clubs are racist in how they hire people, who would actually think 'hes a perfect candidate but i'm not going to employ him because his skin is too dark', the person they employ should be the best candidate irregardless of skin colour. Well the problem isn't the number of candidates who are 'BME'...or the number of suitable candidates who are 'BME'...the only people who can really answer why more BME candidates aren't appointed is the same people who hire or don't hire them....so forcing them to interview someone they won't hire anyway will work for about (and I'm guessing here) 2% of vacancies...is that better or worse than where we are now? Not sure I understand your point? what do you mean by forcing them to interview someone they wont hire will 'work' for 2% of vacancies? To me its a non issue, why on earth does it matter that one very particular role has more white employees than black? |
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Post by Quartermaster on Jun 5, 2015 17:06:44 GMT
...and someone somewhere is being paid to sit an an office and think "yes...this really is a good idea"!
The world is going mad.
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Post by onion on Jun 5, 2015 17:17:29 GMT
Fact is a lot of black managers aren't very good. Not because they are black, but rather because they are not very good. John Barnes, Terry Connor, Paul Ince etc.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 5, 2015 17:37:31 GMT
Blimey, do we have to have another one of these 'won't somebody think of the white people!' threads.
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Post by popuppirate on Jun 5, 2015 20:12:27 GMT
Fact is a lot of black managers aren't very good. Not because they are black, but rather because they are not very good. John Barnes, Terry Connor, Paul Ince etc. Patrick Vierra mind, reckon he'll do well for someone. It's all about the quality not the colour, the authorities are sh**-stirring again. This feels embarrassing for Blacks, patronising and looking for a sympathy vote. |
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Post by aghast on Jun 5, 2015 20:55:06 GMT
Fact is a lot of black managers aren't very good. Not because they are black, but rather because they are not very good. John Barnes, Terry Connor, Paul Ince etc. I would suggest that the very few black managers to have been given a chance haven't generally been very good. There are hundreds more out there who might shine, if given the chance. Cultural attitudes in football are, in my opinion of course, about 20 years behind society as a whole. The BBC, Sky and Talksport, who are not part of football but use its popularity, employ many black pundits and commentators. Those pundits are just as good as anyone else; so much so that no-one even really notices the colour of their skin any more. But putting black players in management positions in football doesn't happen - or rather deciding to put black players in management positions doesn't really happen. That does not reflect the workplace in other industries. Although still under-represented, young black people are increasingly going to university, becoming accountants and lawyers, and being treated as equals. The change will come, but in the football industry it will take some time. I'm not sure that forcing the issue by introducing quotas will achieve anything other than resentment at the moment though. |
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Post by onion on Jun 5, 2015 21:23:35 GMT
Fact is a lot of black managers aren't very good. Not because they are black, but rather because they are not very good. John Barnes, Terry Connor, Paul Ince etc. Patrick Vierra mind, reckon he'll do well for someone. It's all about the quality not the colour, the authorities are dung-stirring again. This feels embarrassing for Blacks, patronising and looking for a sympathy vote. Oh of course. Not to mention Hasselbaink (?) at Burton. Pretty sure he said last year that the Rooney rule was patronising . |
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Post by onion on Jun 5, 2015 21:26:33 GMT
Fact is a lot of black managers aren't very good. Not because they are black, but rather because they are not very good. John Barnes, Terry Connor, Paul Ince etc. I would suggest that the very few black managers to have been given a chance haven't generally been very good. There are hundreds more out there who might shine, if given the chance. Cultural attitudes in football are, in my opinion of course, about 20 years behind society as a whole. The BBC, Sky and Talksport, who are not part of football but use its popularity, employ many black pundits and commentators. Those pundits are just as good as anyone else; so much so that no-one even really notices the colour of their skin any more. But putting black players in management positions in football doesn't happen - or rather deciding to put black players in management positions doesn't really happen. That does not reflect the workplace in other industries. Although still under-represented, young black people are increasingly going to university, becoming accountants and lawyers, and being treated as equals. The change will come, but in the football industry it will take some time. I'm not sure that forcing the issue by introducing quotas will achieve anything other than resentment at the moment though. Completely agree. As well as this, a lot of ethnic young lads have no interest in lower league football and why should they? Of course they're are missing out on the crushing lows and incredible highs that you only really experience following you're below average local side but to them, Arsenal etc winning the Carling cup or whatever it is is a ''high''. Not that I know how to get them interested by any means. |
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Post by empirebaypete on Jun 5, 2015 21:27:17 GMT
* If a club has a managerial vacancy they must interview black candidates How ridiculous, what happens if no black people apply? we go out and find some random guy on the street to interview just to meet regulations Actively seek black applicants even if they are unsuitable? Surely skin colour shouldn't even come into the equation. I understand the reasoning behind it, the percentage of professional football managers who are black is tiny... but I find it hard to believe this is because football clubs are racist in how they hire people, who would actually think 'hes a perfect candidate but i'm not going to employ him because his skin is too dark', the person they employ should be the best candidate irregardless of skin colour. I think you'll find supergas worked on his tan while in Australia recently. I'm sure he could apply. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 8:27:20 GMT
Ah, the colour of skin versus profession debate.
Is colour of skin as much a factor as nationality? We get plenty of European managers in English football. Are they white? Many of the black players in the top flight are from Africa, we are unlikely to see many African managers coming into our (or European) leagues as it would be a big transition.
The reason there aren't many black English managers in England is because there are few role models and until recently few black players.
Just 25 years ago there weren't many black faces in div 1 at all.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Jun 6, 2015 8:58:37 GMT
Racial stereotyping is still prominent in football today. Perhaps we just don't really notice it. I studied this as a module at university and I have to say it was a real eye-opener. How often do you hear football fans and commentators talk about black players as "strong" or "pacey" or liken a black player to a "beast"? How often does Drogba get compliments for his intelligence on a football pitch?
Players from the Far East get praised for their work ethic. You get people that want to give an opinion on football, but can only muster a racial stereotype because more often that not, they don't understand the game. I remember back on the old 606 forum, a Rovers fan saying we should be trying to sign a "Big, black striker." Why should skin colour make any difference?
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