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Post by aghast on Jun 21, 2015 22:26:16 GMT
I think for what it's worth NH would not sell to anyone who does not prove they are buying BRFC for the good of BRFC and not a toy to play with. Why he gets so much stick is beyond me, everything these days is coated in conspiracy theory, if we all bothered as much about doing the right things ourselves instead of doubting everything done by others we would be far happier and healthier in our minds ! This is an interesting one, as really we will never know if a prospective investor has the willing to make Rovers a genuine success or not. How does a chairman determine whether an investor is another Venkys style, or someone like Maxim Demin of Bournemouth? Who knows, if Maxim Demin had for some reason thought to buy into The Gas instead of Bournemouth, maybe Nick Higgs wouldn't have given him the time of day? It's a tricky one, as any change of ownership is a big big risk, and there's no guarantee of success and it could be a catastrophe, BUT big risks can also result in big rewards. I am 99.99% certain that if a big Middle-East consortium took us over, built the UWE to full 35,000 capacity, paid big wages, promoted us three times to the Premier League, raised season ticket prices to previously-unheard of levels, signed loads of foreign players on vast long-term huge-wage contracts, got us into Europe, and made us the biggest success story in the last 20 years, I wouldn't be sure wheher I should be weeping for what we used to be be or cheering for what we had become. But since that isn't going to happen, then, thankfully, I won't have to make that decision. But Bournemouth fans are now having to make some of those kind of decisions. It can happen to smallish clubs. I wonder how some of their fans feel about it?
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Post by Jomo on Jun 22, 2015 9:35:42 GMT
I know what you mean aghast, I see your point, but when do you draw the line on success? If we got to the Championship, would the majority of us want to stop the rise before we lost our identity?
Bournemouth fans have experienced an unprecedented rise through the divisions under an excellent manager who has recruited brilliantly and got them into the Premier League. The same happened with Swansea, who are still going strong now. They are unrecognisable from the days when we used to face them in the league, what are their fans feeling now? I'm sure some of the look back on the days at the Vetch with nostalgia, it's only natural, but surely they wouldn't swap what they've got now for that if they were given the choice?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 9:44:50 GMT
NH doesn't care about who takes us on. His concern would be getting as much profit as he could whilst ensuring his mates get their money back at the same time. I'm not buying that sentimental stuff. Would NH be sat in the stand if we got bought out? Doubt it! The reason we don't attract genuine offers is because we are in a mess.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 10:05:36 GMT
Not sure whether being in a mess would deter genuine investors. Sometimes it is the catalyst. There have been instances of clubs being saved from extinction at the last minute by a hastilly arranged consortium or suchlike only to go on and achieve success.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 10:11:25 GMT
Not sure whether being in a mess would deter genuine investors. Sometimes it is the catalyst. There have been instances of clubs being saved from extinction at the last minute by a hastilly arranged consortium or suchlike only to go on and achieve success. Sure there have. However can you imagine any enquiry from an interested party? Our club is intertwined with Directors projects and companies. It would be a right pickle to quantify. I reckon we would be overpriced aswell. We can't be worth much? Even the ground is a separate company from the club, correct if wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 10:23:08 GMT
Not sure whether being in a mess would deter genuine investors. Sometimes it is the catalyst. There have been instances of clubs being saved from extinction at the last minute by a hastilly arranged consortium or suchlike only to go on and achieve success. Sure there have. However can you imagine any enquiry from an interested party? Our club is intertwined with Directors projects and companies. It would be a right pickle to quantify. I reckon we would be overpriced aswell. We can't be worth much? Even the ground is a separate company from the club, correct if wrong? To be fair you are not selling it very well. There have to be some plus points eg good potential fanbase as evidenced by wembley attendances. Sought after location in affluent city on the M4 corridor. for starters
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 22, 2015 11:08:45 GMT
This is an interesting one, as really we will never know if a prospective investor has the willing to make Rovers a genuine success or not. How does a chairman determine whether an investor is another Venkys style, or someone like Maxim Demin of Bournemouth? Who knows, if Maxim Demin had for some reason thought to buy into The Gas instead of Bournemouth, maybe Nick Higgs wouldn't have given him the time of day? It's a tricky one, as any change of ownership is a big big risk, and there's no guarantee of success and it could be a catastrophe, BUT big risks can also result in big rewards. I am 99.99% certain that if a big Middle-East consortium took us over, built the UWE to full 35,000 capacity, paid big wages, promoted us three times to the Premier League, raised season ticket prices to previously-unheard of levels, signed loads of foreign players on vast long-term huge-wage contracts, got us into Europe, and made us the biggest success story in the last 20 years, I wouldn't be sure wheher I should be weeping for what we used to be be or cheering for what we had become. But since that isn't going to happen, then, thankfully, I won't have to make that decision. But Bournemouth fans are now having to make some of those kind of decisions. It can happen to smallish clubs. I wonder how some of their fans feel about it? I can't imagine many Swansea fans are missing the Veitch & lower Div 2 football???
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Post by newmarketgas on Jun 22, 2015 12:08:51 GMT
Very harsh on NH to say he would not be in the stands if he sold up, I am pretty sure he would love being a 'nobody' in the stands slagging off who ever is in charge, we love doing it, why would he not ?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 22, 2015 12:25:54 GMT
I sense a vineyard in Italy will be far more attractive to NH than watching Rovers?
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Post by madridgas on Jun 22, 2015 15:41:06 GMT
Hmmm I wonder why anyone would invest in a club like hartlepool. Under the radar cash based business not subject to media scrutiny unlike premier league clubs. Somewhere that you could 'lose' cash and then decide how much gate income you'd collected, unhindered by that nasty old oversight that comes with bigger clubs with bigger tax bills and more scrutiny. Proceeds of crime act 2002 anyone? - pure hypothesis obviously, not saying it's the case with hartlepool, just using that as a hypothetical example. Great question. The purchaser looks like a fairly small recruitment company, based in Essex, london and yes (not surprisingly as they focus on the Construction sector) Dubai. No obvious links to Hartlepool, New Chairman mid 30's, went to a "normal school"...something seems strange here...Watch this space
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Post by peterparker on Jun 22, 2015 15:41:21 GMT
Interesting that the outgoing owners have written off the debt.
Would NH do the same?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 16:20:11 GMT
Sure there have. However can you imagine any enquiry from an interested party? Our club is intertwined with Directors projects and companies. It would be a right pickle to quantify. I reckon we would be overpriced aswell. We can't be worth much? Even the ground is a separate company from the club, correct if wrong? To be fair you are not selling it very well. There have to be some plus points eg good potential fanbase as evidenced by wembley attendances. Sought after location in affluent city on the M4 corridor. for starters So where are the interested parties? Our fanbase is as good as it is bad. 5 and a half thousand when we are doing poorly no matter how many potentials there are. Sought after location? For who? Our city is as backwards as the people running it. We are without basic necessities in this town. Every other similar sized club along the M4 have left us in their smoke, from Swansea to Brentford.
NHs speeches about buyers not having the credentials(Or whatever term he uses) is just a cover up for the fact that nobody is willing to meet an inflated asking price for a rusty shell of a club. IMO.
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Post by peterparker on Jun 22, 2015 16:30:15 GMT
To be fair you are not selling it very well. There have to be some plus points eg good potential fanbase as evidenced by wembley attendances. Sought after location in affluent city on the M4 corridor. for starters So where are the interested parties? Our fanbase is as good as it is bad. 5 and a half thousand when we are doing poorly no matter how many potentials there are. Sought after location? For who? Our city is as backwards as the people running it. We are without basic necessities in this town. Every other similar sized club along the M4 have left us in their smoke, from Swansea to Brentford.
NHs speeches about buyers not having the credentials(Or whatever term he uses) is just a cover up for the fact that nobody is willing to meet an inflated asking price for a rusty shell of a club. IMO.
Indeed, what is the criteria. Even if we build UWE there will be some debt and the club will have no asset in terms of land. The club with debt then is only worth what magic bean the stadium can generate. What is a realistic value of the club in that situation.
If we can't build UWE and have a huge debt, what do they think they can get for the club as it will be worth nothing
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Post by newmarketgas on Jun 22, 2015 18:58:36 GMT
How long do people think any new owners would have before the knives come out ? Would it be a year, season, 2 years or the normal 5 minutes ?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 22, 2015 20:01:33 GMT
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Post by baggins on Jun 22, 2015 20:42:09 GMT
How long do people think any new owners would have before the knives come out ? Would it be a year, season, 2 years or the normal 5 minutes ? Hate them already.
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Post by simon1883 on Jun 22, 2015 21:46:27 GMT
NH doesn't care about who takes us on. His concern would be getting as much profit as he could whilst ensuring his mates get their money back at the same time. I'm not buying that sentimental stuff. Would NH be sat in the stand if we got bought out? Doubt it! The reason we don't attract genuine offers is because we are in a mess. WRONG. bloke is trying his arse off to get this club moving. If he leaves now we're screwed. Nick will succeed. which other board member when it hearing? Who's working 6 days a week to sort us out. Sure, he's made mistakes, but we are moving in the right direction. He kept DC on to manage us last season and that worked! Yes UWE does present him with a chance to recoup some money but a a large profit? Whatever. What extra he can make will be well deserved for all the effort he's put in.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 23:16:01 GMT
To be fair you are not selling it very well. There have to be some plus points eg good potential fanbase as evidenced by wembley attendances. Sought after location in affluent city on the M4 corridor. for starters So where are the interested parties? Our fanbase is as good as it is bad. 5 and a half thousand when we are doing poorly no matter how many potentials there are. Sought after location? For who? Our city is as backwards as the people running it. We are without basic necessities in this town. Every other similar sized club along the M4 have left us in their smoke, from Swansea to Brentford.
NHs speeches about buyers not having the credentials(Or whatever term he uses) is just a cover up for the fact that nobody is willing to meet an inflated asking price for a rusty shell of a club. IMO.
Five thousand plus is big for where we are and have been for the past 20 years have a look how many clubs with our delapidated facilities are getting more. Bristol is a sought after location as ridiculous house prices show. Is there an asking price? I thought any new owners would just have to honor current commitments.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 8:36:29 GMT
NH doesn't care about who takes us on. His concern would be getting as much profit as he could whilst ensuring his mates get their money back at the same time. I'm not buying that sentimental stuff. Would NH be sat in the stand if we got bought out? Doubt it! The reason we don't attract genuine offers is because we are in a mess. WRONG. bloke is trying his arse off to get this club moving. If he leaves now we're screwed. Nick will succeed. which other board member when it hearing? Who's working 6 days a week to sort us out. Sure, he's made mistakes, but we are moving in the right direction. He kept DC on to manage us last season and that worked! Yes UWE does present him with a chance to recoup some money but a a large profit? Whatever. What extra he can make will be well deserved for all the effort he's put in. We have moved in the right direction for 10 months out of how many years going backwards? We haven even been treading water mate! We are in a much worse state now than when he sat down and only UWE and another promotion will correct that fact. I'd love to believe the rest of the hype but nah. Whatever keeps you happy...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 8:43:55 GMT
So where are the interested parties? Our fanbase is as good as it is bad. 5 and a half thousand when we are doing poorly no matter how many potentials there are. Sought after location? For who? Our city is as backwards as the people running it. We are without basic necessities in this town. Every other similar sized club along the M4 have left us in their smoke, from Swansea to Brentford.
NHs speeches about buyers not having the credentials(Or whatever term he uses) is just a cover up for the fact that nobody is willing to meet an inflated asking price for a rusty shell of a club. IMO.
Five thousand plus is big for where we are and have been for the past 20 years have a look how many clubs with our delapidated facilities are getting more. Bristol is a sought after location as ridiculous house prices show. Is there an asking price? I thought any new owners would just have to honor current commitments. If it was so good we would have been snapped up whilst on sale then?
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