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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 13:38:19 GMT
Perhaps the fact that we don't have 17000 attendances might have something to do with it. If we reduced the prices to that level we would go bankrupt. If we start getting 17000 at UWE I would hope we kept prices the same to fund an attempt on the championship. As you go up the leagues you need more money to compete. I wonder what Bradfords total gate receipts over a season are? Probably not much different to ours. At a guess I'd say £2m based on those figures. If we average 7000 @ £300, we would receive £2.1m. But then they have an extra 10,000 through the gates than we do every week buying food and drinks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 13:55:22 GMT
We sell 3000 season tickets, but many of those will be concession. Say half of them cost £100, and half £250. Thats barely £400k after VAT. Bradfords season ticket sales are £1.7m after VAT... I'm not suggesting we do this at the Mem. But if a few extra thousand were to buy season tickets, many of those would continue buying them for years after, and I'd imagine it would more than pay for itself many times over. If we reduced our prices to Bradfords, we would only need to sell about a third more to generate the same income. Hardly financial suicide, and on the back of a promotion could be massively successful. City were getting gates of 5-7,000 back in the 90's. They got promoted, reduced their prices, and ever since have consistently shifted 10k season tickets every year. Several of my friends from the red side bought their first season ticket for exactly that reason, and some still go today. That's all well and good but how many extra pay on the day fans do Bradford attract? very few so the income from those 17000 season tickets is basically all they will get,whereas if Rovers sell 3500 season tickets then the rest of the attendees are paying more or less 20 per game so 4000 x 20 is an extra 80,000 x 23 is 1.84 million so very little difference in the income I think you'd have to bring that figure down quite a bit tbh. Out of that 4000-if we were to get 4000potd- loads will be concessions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 13:58:07 GMT
You mean 2pound discount for early bird or 10pound for concessions,so take 20% off still 1.5 million
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 14:01:40 GMT
Yeah, I haven't worked it out Padstow but early bird, over 65s, 16-21s, also the Blackthorn is £18 where most potd go(based on longest queues). So I'd guess the majority of 4000 pay a chunk less than that £20 datum. 1.5 mil is still a substantial figure though if the 20% covers it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 14:38:39 GMT
Think it is not far off the mark.The main problem with the original post is the capacity at the mem,it is insufficient to warrant that type of offer.The uwe could be another thing ,but the maths would have add up and it would depend on the attitude of the new owners at the time
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Post by Centenary Gas on Jul 6, 2015 15:22:22 GMT
Considering we pay our 2nd choice goalkeeper £100k a year, if we were to spend £30m on a new stadium then I'm sure the board could find a way to handle a small loss in season ticket sales. The likelyhood however, is that it would increase income if it was marketed properly. As said above, getting the same income from Bradfords prices just needs a 30% increase in sales. It's the massive potential pull of the first season in a new stadium that the club cannot afford to miss out on. Get them in from day one, get the thing filled and it may just stay that way. Brighton before their new stadium... 2009-2010 6293 2008-2009 6092 2007-2008 5936 2006-2007 6047 2005-2006 6802 2004-2005 6426 2003-2004 6247 2002-2003 6650 And after... Brighton have sold more than 23,000 tickets for the club’s Amex stadium next season as demand continues to defy expectation.
A club official confirmed today that, in addition to the 19,000 season ticket holders already signed up from last year, the ticket office had flogged another 4,000.What division is Brighton in as opposed to Rovers,you are not comparing like for like and they do not have competition for fans I believe it was League One, going into the Championship with the new stadium. Hardly an impossible dream for us, is it? I'm not saying we would end up with 23,000 season ticket holders, the new stadium wouldn't even hold that many. But it would be nice to get 10-12,000 on the books rather than the usual 3,000. God forbid we tried something different in order to get a different result... To you're above post... I suggested it's something we do, in the first year of the UWE, to get the thing filled... and it might just stay that way. It would be a complete one off pull that we would be starting in a new stadium.
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Post by simster on Jul 6, 2015 15:53:23 GMT
I think ours (Brighton) is a special case really. We won League One at a canter playing some great football, then opened up arguably the finest stadium in the country (although it won't be to everyone's taste). Also you have to remember we hadn't seen Premier/Championship football in the area since 1991, so there was a lot of pent up demand.
We had 17,000 STHs in our first season when the capacity was only 22,500. The plan was to expand it some years later, but the club had wildly underestimated demand. The following year, capacity was increased to 27,000 and we sold 20,000 season tickets, then it was upped again and when capacity hit 30,750 we had 23,000 STHs. We've still got around that number despite last season's shambles (well, relative shambles - clearly we've seen a lot worse) and that includes some insanely high corporate numbers - I can't remember how many.
It's worth pointing out that unlike Bradford, season tickets at the Albion are NOT particularly cheap. However, we do have a highly effective direct debit system, where you can pay over ten months. I'm not sure many clubs offer that, and it certainly drives high season ticket numbers to this day.
Anyway, best of luck for the season. Really pleased to see you lot back in the league and obviously hope you thump Portsmouth (and Luton).
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Post by phillistine on Jul 6, 2015 17:55:16 GMT
Perhaps the fact that we don't have 17000 attendances might have something to do with it. If we reduced the prices to that level we would go bankrupt. If we start getting 17000 at UWE I would hope we kept prices the same to fund an attempt on the championship. As you go up the leagues you need more money to compete. I wonder what Bradfords total gate receipts over a season are? Probably not much different to ours. At a guess I'd say £2m based on those figures. If we average 7000 @ £300, we would receive £2.1m. But then they have an extra 10,000 through the gates than we do every week buying food and drinks. this made me smile - as we run out of coffee and hot drinks at half time when we have 6000 in the crowd so how we would cope with more ? Did anyone try and get a drink in the bar under the East stand at halftime in the Alfreton match? My son has just got back from the bar with 2 pints
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Post by Jomo on Jul 6, 2015 19:03:48 GMT
I think ours (Brighton) is a special case really. We won League One at a canter playing some great football, then opened up arguably the finest stadium in the country (although it won't be to everyone's taste). Also you have to remember we hadn't seen Premier/Championship football in the area since 1991, so there was a lot of pent up demand. We had 17,000 STHs in our first season when the capacity was only 22,500. The plan was to expand it some years later, but the club had wildly underestimated demand. The following year, capacity was increased to 27,000 and we sold 20,000 season tickets, then it was upped again and when capacity hit 30,750 we had 23,000 STHs. We've still got around that number despite last season's shambles (well, relative shambles - clearly we've seen a lot worse) and that includes some insanely high corporate numbers - I can't remember how many. It's worth pointing out that unlike Bradford, season tickets at the Albion are NOT particularly cheap. However, we do have a highly effective direct debit system, where you can pay over ten months. I'm not sure many clubs offer that, and it certainly drives high season ticket numbers to this day. Anyway, best of luck for the season. Really pleased to see you lot back in the league and obviously hope you thump Portsmouth (and Luton). Very interesting post, thank you simster!
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Post by baggins on Jul 6, 2015 19:18:21 GMT
I agree Centenary,but the club would also have to work out whether we could survive in the short term Considering we pay our 2nd choice goalkeeper £100k a year, if we were to spend £30m on a new stadium then I'm sure the board could find a way to handle a small loss in season ticket sales. The likelyhood however, is that it would increase income if it was marketed properly. As said above, getting the same income from Bradfords prices just needs a 30% increase in sales. It's the massive potential pull of the first season in a new stadium that the club cannot afford to miss out on. Get them in from day one, get the thing filled and it may just stay that way. Brighton before their new stadium... 2009-2010 6293 2008-2009 6092 2007-2008 5936 2006-2007 6047 2005-2006 6802 2004-2005 6426 2003-2004 6247 2002-2003 6650 And after... Brighton have sold more than 23,000 tickets for the club’s Amex stadium next season as demand continues to defy expectation.
A club official confirmed today that, in addition to the 19,000 season ticket holders already signed up from last year, the ticket office had flogged another 4,000.I gotta ask, how do you know our 2nd keeper (whomever it is) is on £100k?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 6, 2015 19:33:25 GMT
Well the first thing we would have to bring back i Student Season Tickets!! Having a stadium on a University complex with no student concessions would be as crazy as offering Balanta a 5-year contract on £3k per week and a yearly all-expenses paid gift card to Burger King and Nandos. Students should pay more they get interest free loans for life Nonsense the interest rate is far higher than the present bank rate! Has far as preparing for life in the UWE we may as well discuss ticket prices for when we reach the Championship has neither seem remotely close at present. As regards Bradford's success that seems to be more about employing Parkinson as manager as it does cheap season tickets as just 2 seasons ago went to Valley Parade with an outside chance of a Play Off place which they took and have never looked back.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Jul 6, 2015 21:53:04 GMT
Considering we pay our 2nd choice goalkeeper £100k a year, if we were to spend £30m on a new stadium then I'm sure the board could find a way to handle a small loss in season ticket sales. The likelyhood however, is that it would increase income if it was marketed properly. As said above, getting the same income from Bradfords prices just needs a 30% increase in sales. It's the massive potential pull of the first season in a new stadium that the club cannot afford to miss out on. Get them in from day one, get the thing filled and it may just stay that way. Brighton before their new stadium... 2009-2010 6293 2008-2009 6092 2007-2008 5936 2006-2007 6047 2005-2006 6802 2004-2005 6426 2003-2004 6247 2002-2003 6650 And after... Brighton have sold more than 23,000 tickets for the club’s Amex stadium next season as demand continues to defy expectation.
A club official confirmed today that, in addition to the 19,000 season ticket holders already signed up from last year, the ticket office had flogged another 4,000.I gotta ask, how do you know our 2nd keeper (whomever it is) is on £100k? Wages of some of our high earners haven't been that much of a secret, depending on who you talk to. I was told a weekly figure, but it's around £100k.
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