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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 9:21:22 GMT
All of these knee jerk actions are pointless. It might make the individual feel better but the effect on a retail giant will be tiny. Locked trolleys, abandoned goodscetc only cause inconvenience to shop staff and customers. The big boys at head office won't even be aware of things that insignificant.
Future planning applications, large demos, media campaign, hacking, and other large impact actions are the way to get noticed. The rest of this sh** is child's play. These things might just affect the local corner shop but not much else.
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Post by ashperry83 on Jul 15, 2015 9:43:57 GMT
What an embarrassing thread. I think I'll continue to shop and get petrol at Sainsburys, just like I continue to drink at The Welly.
How about a protest at the REAL people at fault? Like our chairman who lied for months when he knew the deal was pretty much dead in the water. Or the legal experts who have offered us such poor advice. Or the rest of the board who have overseen two relegations in 4 years in seen the clubs debt dramatically rise. Might be best to get the priorities right first.
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Post by nolongernonleaguegas on Jul 15, 2015 9:49:11 GMT
This is pathetic, honestly sort yourselves out and grow up
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 9:51:23 GMT
As I have said elsewhere, we should try to ensure Sainsbury's never get planning permission again in the Bristol/South Glos area by putting pressure on our elected representatives on the local councils. Make the area a no-go area for any Sainsbury's expansion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 10:50:02 GMT
What an embarrassing thread. I think I'll continue to shop and get petrol at Sainsburys, just like I continue to drink at The Welly. How about a protest at the REAL people at fault? Like our chairman who lied for months when he knew the deal was pretty much dead in the water. Or the legal experts who have offered us such poor advice. Or the rest of the board who have overseen two relegations in 4 years in seen the clubs debt dramatically rise. Might be best to get the priorities right first. With respect, you have no clue what you are talking about. Neither party were aloud to divulge details once the situation was heightened to court. Sainsburys have shafted us, if you can't see that then you haven't bothered to read the details of the case, the judge said as much.
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Post by ashperry83 on Jul 15, 2015 11:33:05 GMT
I have read the case thank you. Its clear that our board and legal team ploughed on despite many issues that were ultimately doomed to fail. Sainsburys wanted out, Higgs knew this for months and LIED through his teeth to the fans. Only when pushed on Radio Bristol last September did he admit it.
I have no issue with Sainsburys wanting out of a contract. Loads of us have wanted out of mobile/broadband/tv etc contracts but been unable to as the contract was watertight.
Sainsburys anted out and unfortunately for us, the legal time that advised us to sign the initial contract appear to have shafted us with some poor work.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 11:41:50 GMT
You couldn't have done I am afraid Ash, as you contradict your story in your own post.
If you would have read you would have known full well that this is nowhere near as simple as the board cocking up as you seem absolutely desperate to put it down to.
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Post by ashperry83 on Jul 15, 2015 11:49:34 GMT
Not desperate to put it down to the board cocking up. However to lay all the blame at the feet of Sainsbury and have fans leave trolleys of food is embarrassing. A poorly worded contract (which the judge made a point to state) was signed by us on the advice of our legal team. Higgs also knew they wanted out. That's why I am angry.
We knew for some time, tried to hide it. We should've had a contingency plan in place for failure. Our debts have hugely risen. Yet agin people would rather blame a supermarket chain rather than the large number of poor decisions by the custodians of the club that have put us in a potentially dire position.
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Post by truegas on Jul 15, 2015 13:23:50 GMT
Not desperate to put it down to the board cocking up. However to lay all the blame at the feet of Sainsbury and have fans leave trolleys of food is embarrassing. A poorly worded contract (which the judge made a point to state) was signed by us on the advice of our legal team. Higgs also knew they wanted out. That's why I am angry. We knew for some time, tried to hide it. We should've had a contingency plan in place for failure. Our debts have hugely risen. Yet agin people would rather blame a supermarket chain rather than the large number of poor decisions by the custodians of the club that have put us in a potentially dire position. OK so let's say it is all the board's fault. They have made a ''large number of poor decisions'' and we are now in a bad position... What do you want to happen now? If Higgs walks & takes HIS money out, the club will be dead! Higgs & the board have done everything they could for this club. Why are you so insistent on knocking them at every opportunity!? If it wasn't for him (and Dunford before) we probably wouldn't even have a Bristol Rovers to support!! Higgs got so so close to getting us the stadium that the club deserves. He must be devastated that Sainsbury's decided to wriggle out and let us all down so badly!
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Post by ashperry83 on Jul 15, 2015 13:53:56 GMT
Not desperate to put it down to the board cocking up. However to lay all the blame at the feet of Sainsbury and have fans leave trolleys of food is embarrassing. A poorly worded contract (which the judge made a point to state) was signed by us on the advice of our legal team. Higgs also knew they wanted out. That's why I am angry. We knew for some time, tried to hide it. We should've had a contingency plan in place for failure. Our debts have hugely risen. Yet agin people would rather blame a supermarket chain rather than the large number of poor decisions by the custodians of the club that have put us in a potentially dire position. OK so let's say it is all the board's fault. They have made a ''large number of poor decisions'' and we are now in a bad position... What do you want to happen now? If Higgs walks & takes HIS money out, the club will be dead! Higgs & the board have done everything they could for this club. Why are you so insistent on knocking them at every opportunity!? If it wasn't for him (and Dunford before) we probably wouldn't even have a Bristol Rovers to support!! Higgs got so so close to getting us the stadium that the club deserves. He must be devastated that Sainsbury's decided to wriggle out and let us all down so badly! The money that has been loaned to the club? They havent simply given their money up have they. Thats whey he is chasing this, to make back his money. The boards poor decisions and poor financial management mean we have to hit crowds of 9000 just to break even. I appreciate that they have stepped forward, but to say he has given his money isnt as simple as it really is. Its a loan that he wants back. Just because they have loaned the club money doesnt mean the decisions they have made are untouchable from criticism.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 14:11:59 GMT
Sainsbururys win bid to buy The Memorial Stadium land.
Bristol Rovers legal team & Sainsburys draft contract that is signed by all parties.
Sainsburys change their mind about buying the land and try to escape contract
Bristol Rovers decided that rather accepting defeat they will take case to court meaning on limited information can be made public until the verdict is made public.
At what point do you blame our board Ash? I could completely understand if you were very annoyed at the boards choice of legal tea (as I am!), but you seem keen to blame the board personally and I cannot see that.
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Post by tumshie on Jul 15, 2015 14:20:50 GMT
Not desperate to put it down to the board cocking up. However to lay all the blame at the feet of Sainsbury and have fans leave trolleys of food is embarrassing. A poorly worded contract (which the judge made a point to state) was signed by us on the advice of our legal team. Higgs also knew they wanted out. That's why I am angry. We knew for some time, tried to hide it. We should've had a contingency plan in place for failure. Our debts have hugely risen. Yet agin people would rather blame a supermarket chain rather than the large number of poor decisions by the custodians of the club that have put us in a potentially dire position. Well put i agree
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 14:35:40 GMT
Not desperate to put it down to the board cocking up. However to lay all the blame at the feet of Sainsbury and have fans leave trolleys of food is embarrassing. A poorly worded contract (which the judge made a point to state) was signed by us on the advice of our legal team. Higgs also knew they wanted out. That's why I am angry. We knew for some time, tried to hide it. We should've had a contingency plan in place for failure. Our debts have hugely risen. Yet agin people would rather blame a supermarket chain rather than the large number of poor decisions by the custodians of the club that have put us in a potentially dire position. Well put i agree Perfect world. Wish life was that simple. Must remember to line up a back up buyer when selling my house just in case the original buyer changes their mind. Not realistic at all. We were very unlucky that sainsburys changed their mind. That is about the size of it. If they hadn't have done so we would be playing in said stadium now and nobody would have a bad word to say about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 16:27:06 GMT
Sainsbururys win bid to buy The Memorial Stadium land. Bristol Rovers legal team & Sainsburys draft contract that is signed by all parties. Sainsburys change their mind about buying the land and try to escape contract Bristol Rovers decided that rather accepting defeat they will take case to court meaning on limited information can be made public until the verdict is made public. At what point do you blame our board Ash? I could completely understand if you were very annoyed at the boards choice of legal tea (as I am!), but you seem keen to blame the board personally and I cannot see that. At the point of "Watertight". That's their big mess up.
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Post by tumshie on Jul 15, 2015 18:10:02 GMT
Perfect world. Wish life was that simple. Must remember to line up a back up buyer when selling my house just in case the original buyer changes their mind. Not realistic at all. We were very unlucky that sainsburys changed their mind. That is about the size of it. If they hadn't have done so we would be playing in said stadium now and nobody would have a bad word to say about it. Checking through the contract would have been a start the fact is we didn't meet a deadline which was clearly in said contract "Watertight" was what we were told: We don't want to criticise or blame them but as it stands a so called "Watertight" contract was anything but that and i say that reluctantly. If someone offers you THREE times what something is worth you must check every single minute detail i'm afraid it appears we didn't so in effect the deal was worthless if the other party got cold feet. Everyone knows if something sounds too good to be true it probably is! .
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Post by lpgas1 on Jul 15, 2015 22:46:40 GMT
There is nothing illegal about posting non-offensive anti-Sainsbury's comments all over their facebook wall. It's petty, inconsiquential and childish but i'm enjoying myself. Me too love it
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Post by lpgas1 on Jul 15, 2015 22:50:26 GMT
This is pathetic, honestly sort yourselves out and grow up Don't you believe in free speech? Don't you believe in trying to lighten the mood on this depressive day?
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Post by lpgas1 on Jul 15, 2015 23:04:51 GMT
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Post by supergas on Jul 16, 2015 0:13:39 GMT
Sainsbururys win bid to buy The Memorial Stadium land. Bristol Rovers legal team & Sainsburys draft contract that is signed by all parties. Sainsburys change their mind about buying the land and try to escape contract Bristol Rovers decided that rather accepting defeat they will take case to court meaning on limited information can be made public until the verdict is made public. At what point do you blame our board Ash ? I could completely understand if you were very annoyed at the boards choice of legal tea (as I am!), but you seem keen to blame the board personally and I cannot see that. Personally (and with hindsight) since Sept 2013. I've supported the board and the club though this whole saga and spent a lot of time trying to get answers out of my two-faced lying local councillor/elected representative Ms Radice as to her role in the slow death of the plan... ...having read the judgement, we screwed up in Sept 2013 and have been on the backfoot ever since. Two years wasted by the board (and the shedload of cash too...)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 6:09:45 GMT
A year ago a current director said in a public place that the contract was a c0ck up and that Sainsbury's had a get out clause. As he was aware of this I'm sure that Nick Higgs was as well. At this point negotiations should have taken place to try and salvage something not steam head first into legal action with no other ammunition than bad faith. We still wouldn't have a new ground but we would definitely have saved a few hundred grand and might have secured a little bit more from Sainsbury's.
As for Higgs lying, well he's not very good at it is he.
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