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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 27, 2015 6:34:46 GMT
i do wish the board would just say money is tight and our budgets modest,,,exeter city did and now newport county. im not bothered as i can see clearly money is tight but maybe it would help the "lets sign lots of players" people understand better? Yep, why some idiots don't get this is beyond me!
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 27, 2015 11:08:56 GMT
Do we really need the BoD to state the obvious? Sainsbury's/the Wonga Loan are clearly hitting the club hard. financially.
Regardless when did have a big playing budget bring us success?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 11:11:29 GMT
Do we really need the BoD to state the obvious? Sainsbury's/the Wonga Loan are clearly hitting the club hard. financially. Regardless when did have a big playing budget bring us success? No but there is stating the obvious and lying. They told us the budget was unaffected and that DC had plenty of cash. DC said the budget was cut and it would appear he hasn't been able to get in players he'd like to.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 11:18:28 GMT
Do we really need the BoD to state the obvious? Sainsbury's/the Wonga Loan are clearly hitting the club hard. financially. Regardless when did have a big playing budget bring us success? Big budgets are over rated. Small pathetic budgets which prevent you from having a complete squad are far better. This year's budget was set in stone regardless of the loans/courts, because NH said so.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 27, 2015 11:43:04 GMT
Do we really need the BoD to state the obvious? Sainsbury's/the Wonga Loan are clearly hitting the club hard. financially. Regardless when did have a big playing budget bring us success? It's a matter of principle mate.
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Post by baggins on Jul 27, 2015 11:47:03 GMT
Do we really need the BoD to state the obvious? Sainsbury's/the Wonga Loan are clearly hitting the club hard. financially. Regardless when did have a big playing budget bring us success? It's a matter of principle mate. It's not really.
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Post by tumshie on Jul 27, 2015 14:12:09 GMT
OK I'll say it. we're skint and the budget is affected. So there we go the question still remains "What do you now suggest we're gonna do about it?"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 14:42:12 GMT
OK I'll say it. we're skint and the budget is affected. So there we go the question still remains "What do you now suggest we're gonna do about it?" Point fingers of blame at what made it happen then complain that we can't compete with clubs that are smaller than us. After losing a few games start getting on DCs case until he joins the list.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 15:06:50 GMT
OK I'll say it. we're skint and the budget is affected. So there we go the question still remains "What do you now suggest we're gonna do about it?" Point fingers of blame at what made it happen then complain that we can't compete with clubs that are smaller than us. After losing a few games start getting on DCs case until he joins the list. Repeat ad infinitum
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 27, 2015 15:14:18 GMT
Do we really need the BoD to state the obvious? Sainsbury's/the Wonga Loan are clearly hitting the club hard. financially. Regardless when did have a big playing budget bring us success? No but there is stating the obvious and lying. They told us the budget was unaffected and that DC had plenty of cash. DC said the budget was cut and it would appear he hasn't been able to get in players he'd like to. No, NH said DC had been given a decent budget (I don't recall anybody saying DC had "plenty of cash") but if we won the case he would get more. At the end of the day if the Sainsbury's case has sucked the clud dry what is NH supposed to do, rob a bank to get more cash? I'd still put good money on DC's budget being far higher than Wycombe's last seasin and that didn't stop them making the Play Off's.
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Post by tumshie on Jul 27, 2015 15:47:14 GMT
No but there is stating the obvious and lying. They told us the budget was unaffected and that DC had plenty of cash. DC said the budget was cut and it would appear he hasn't been able to get in players he'd like to. No, NH said DC had been given a decent budget (I don't recall anybody saying DC had "plenty of cash") but if we won the case he would get more. At the end of the day if the Sainsbury's case has sucked the clud dry what is NH supposed to do, rob a bank to get more cash? I'd still put good money on DC's budget being far higher than Wycombe's last seasin and that didn't stop them making the Play Off's. Exactly. This looks like people already lining up an excuse if the messiah DC fails! Ha Ha. He's done great but we are what we are. and he has to work with it if he's not to become the latest in a long list of failures in Div 2. He has his budget. it aint as much as we all want but he has to deal with it and work hard with what he has. He has a great method of extracting the best out of an average bunch and I believe he can do it. Others apparently don't think he's up to it without more money. We will have to wait and see...We love you Darrell go get 'em. lad!
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Post by alvestongas on Jul 27, 2015 15:56:14 GMT
In League 2 success can often be dependent on the quality of the loan players you bring in. Look at Wycombe last year! DC has said the squad will have 2 loaners very soon.
DC has obviously decided Dawson not what he wants so we look elsewhere I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 16:39:48 GMT
Yeah alright! Wycombe have special powers so not really fair to use them as an example!
Should we be considering that there are many factors that contribute? It's not helpful to be blinkered by one aspect. If I was manager and they gave me 5million for my playing budget in lg2 I would probably f**k it.....nah actually I think I'd do ok. But half of you lot would cock it up.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jul 27, 2015 17:06:55 GMT
Yeah alright! Wycombe have special powers so not really fair to use them as an example! Should we be considering that there are many factors that contribute? It's not helpful to be blinkered by one aspect. If I was manager and they gave me 5million for my playing budget in lg2 I would probably f**k it.....nah actually I think I'd do ok. But half of you lot would main sail it up. Portsmouth have had that as a budget in recent years and look how far they've soared.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 17:25:54 GMT
Yeah alright! Wycombe have special powers so not really fair to use them as an example! Should we be considering that there are many factors that contribute? It's not helpful to be blinkered by one aspect. If I was manager and they gave me 5million for my playing budget in lg2 I would probably f**k it.....nah actually I think I'd do ok. But half of you lot would main sail it up. Portsmouth have had that as a budget in recent years and look how far they've soared..... I'm not clued up on pompeys business. Don't they still pay ex players and stuff? Anyway they fell off a cliff so there's isn't comparable. That's like comparing yeovils budget in the Champ with other champ clubs. There's would have been minute. I was just saying the budget is only 1 facet of the teams chances in a season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 17:41:22 GMT
Pompey still owe a few players (literally about 3 I think) but most have been paid off this summer, hence why their budget looks a lot better this year than every other year they've been down here.
79's right, it is one thing having a budget, completely another using it properly. So many crap managers around who waste a good budget. Likewise, many managers can get much more out of a side on a tiny budget than many would expect (look at how Accrington got into play-offs the other year, Wycombe did well last year etc.)
My personal opinion is that DC won't sign a player for signing's sake, and that by using the budget responsibly now he can afford to make improvements later in the season when he has some idea what we need after our start in League 2.
2013-14's turning point was when we didn't sign a striker before the loan window shut. Okay, that might not have been a budget thing, but I think DC wants to avoid that situation again.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 27, 2015 17:42:06 GMT
No, NH said DC had been given a decent budget (I don't recall anybody saying DC had "plenty of cash") but if we won the case he would get more. At the end of the day if the Sainsbury's case has sucked the clud dry what is NH supposed to do, rob a bank to get more cash? I'd still put good money on DC's budget being far higher than Wycombe's last seasin and that didn't stop them making the Play Off's. Exactly. This looks like people already lining up an excuse if the messiah DC fails! Ha Ha. He's done great but we are what we are. and he has to work with it if he's not to become the latest in a long list of failures in Div 2. He has his budget. it aint as much as we all want but he has to deal with it and work hard with what he has. He has a great method of extracting the best out of an average bunch and I believe he can do it. Others apparently don't think he's up to it without more money. We will have to wait and see...We love you Darrell go get 'em. lad! What do we call failure though? For me we appaesr to have a mid table budget at best so failure would be getting relegated.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 27, 2015 17:58:41 GMT
If playing budget equalled playing success surely we could just line the league table up now based solely on the playing budget, and just forget the 46 games every team needs to play?
At worse we're two players short of what we expected/hoped we'd sign this summer, is the fact we're two players short really going to be the difference between success or failure? What if DC had signed two players like Balanta would that mean we were certainly to go up just because we had 2 more players in the squad?
I can't understand why the forum is so negative when we haven't even played one competitive match yet.
If we're poor in our first few games that's the time to worry not now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 18:11:16 GMT
Budgets are queer things. They are not static. Let me explain what I am trying to say......
If DC signs a player now, on say 1k a week, that would be 52k over the course of a year. Let's keep things simple and not add in things like National Insurance contributions etc that the employer pays. If he doesn't sign that player now, the budget will 'rack up', so that in the Jan transfer window, after seeing how the team progresses, he'll have a meatier wedge of cash available, so therefore could look for that player with an extra bit of class to take us forward.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 27, 2015 18:21:12 GMT
If playing budget equalled playing success surely we could just line the league table up now based solely on the playing budget, and just forget the 46 games every team needs to play? At worse we're two players short of what we expected/hoped we'd sign this summer, is the fact we're two players short really going to be the difference between success or failure? What if DC had signed two players like Balanta would that mean we were certainly to go up just because we had 2 more players in the squad? I can't understand why the forum is so negative when we haven't even played one competitive match yet. If we're poor in our first few games that's the time to worry not now. I'm not negative about the manager or team at all. I'm just frustrated as I think we have the potential to win this league with a few more Signings. As it is I would absolutely snap your hands off at finishing 7th. Nothing wrong with wanting us to show more ambition. And as regards to your first paragraph. I'm afraid on the whole it does. Just look at the prem. Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd spend the most and all in the top 4. I'm not saying you can't have success with less money but to think that a club spending 3 times as less as the team with the biggest budget should be competing with that team is unreasonable and unfair on DC.
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