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Post by tumshie on Jul 27, 2015 18:27:46 GMT
If playing budget equalled playing success surely we could just line the league table up now based solely on the playing budget, and just forget the 46 games every team needs to play? At worse we're two players short of what we expected/hoped we'd sign this summer, is the fact we're two players short really going to be the difference between success or failure? What if DC had signed two players like Balanta would that mean we were certainly to go up just because we had 2 more players in the squad? I can't understand why the forum is so negative when we haven't even played one competitive match yet. If we're poor in our first few games that's the time to worry not now. I'm not negative about the manager or team at all. I'm just frustrated as I think we have the potential to win this league with a few more Signings. As it is I would absolutely snap your hands off at finishing 7th. Nothing wrong with wanting us to show more ambition. And as regards to your first paragraph. I'm afraid on the whole it does. Just look at the prem. Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd spend the most and all in the top 4. I'm not saying you can't have success with less money but to think that a club spending 3 times as less as the team with the biggest budget should be competing with that team is unreasonable and unfair on DC. I have to ask: You seem to know our budget and know teams that have three times ours can you expand please?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 27, 2015 18:35:56 GMT
I'm not negative about the manager or team at all. I'm just frustrated as I think we have the potential to win this league with a few more Signings. As it is I would absolutely snap your hands off at finishing 7th. Nothing wrong with wanting us to show more ambition. And as regards to your first paragraph. I'm afraid on the whole it does. Just look at the prem. Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd spend the most and all in the top 4. I'm not saying you can't have success with less money but to think that a club spending 3 times as less as the team with the biggest budget should be competing with that team is unreasonable and unfair on DC. I have to ask: You seem to know our budget and know teams that have three times ours can you expand please? Didn't see that one coming. (zzz)It doesn't take a genius to work it out. I actually think DC said something like that and when you see the amount of Signings some clubs have made and the calibre of those Signings and the length of the deals then I could imagine it isn't far from the truth. Whereas we actually have one player less than we finished the season with. And the ones we have signed were a part time defender, a Columbian no one wanted to take a risk on and Lines who wanted to move to Bristol anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 18:35:52 GMT
Comparing the budgets of Premier League teams to any other league in this country is pretty silly, I think.
Look at last year in the Conference, Macclesfield did incredibly well on a tiny budget. Did Barnet have the biggest budget? Nah. League Two - Pompey, Luton, Oxford etc. had big budgets but didn't get in the play-offs even. Stevenage and Wycombe had much lower budgets. Ipswich had a much lower budget than say, Fulham in the Championship.
Lower league football is a bit more unpredictable when it comes to financial clout and success etc.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 27, 2015 18:38:25 GMT
Comparing the budgets of Premier League teams to any other league in this country is pretty silly, I think. Look at last year in the Conference, Macclesfield did incredibly well on a tiny budget. Did Barnet have the biggest budget? Nah. League Two - Pompey, Luton, Oxford etc. had big budgets but didn't get in the play-offs even. Stevenage and Wycombe had much lower budgets. Ipswich had a much lower budget than say, Fulham in the Championship. Lower league football is a bit more unpredictable when it comes to financial clout and success etc. I was just using it to make the point that money does make a difference. Of course it does. How else do you think clubs like Crawley, Fleetwood etc got up to league one?!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 18:55:17 GMT
Comparing the budgets of Premier League teams to any other league in this country is pretty silly, I think. Look at last year in the Conference, Macclesfield did incredibly well on a tiny budget. Did Barnet have the biggest budget? Nah. League Two - Pompey, Luton, Oxford etc. had big budgets but didn't get in the play-offs even. Stevenage and Wycombe had much lower budgets. Ipswich had a much lower budget than say, Fulham in the Championship. Lower league football is a bit more unpredictable when it comes to financial clout and success etc. I was just using it to make the point that money does make a difference. Of course it does. How else do you think clubs like Crawley, Fleetwood etc got up to league one?! I get what you're saying, my point was that it doesn't necessarily guarantee success at this level. Likewise, a slightly lower budget doesn't mean you'll never succeed - which isn't true in the PL.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 18:55:57 GMT
If big budget equals success, then how the feck did we ever get relegated from the Football League ?
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Post by tumshie on Jul 27, 2015 19:06:01 GMT
I have to ask: You seem to know our budget and know teams that have three times ours can you expand please? Didn't see that one coming. (zzz)It doesn't take a genius to work it out. I actually think DC said something like that and when you see the amount of Signings some clubs have made and the calibre of those Signings and the length of the deals then I could imagine it isn't far from the truth. Whereas we actually have one player less than we finished the season with. And the ones we have signed were a part time defender, a Columbian no one wanted to take a risk on and Lines who wanted to move to Bristol anyway. That would've been a really good reply without the sarcasm at the start , i'll leave you to it i think
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Post by stevek192 on Jul 27, 2015 20:21:12 GMT
Big budget does not guarantee success if you have people like McGhee and John Ward spending them. I would however trust DC to get value for money and build a good team.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 27, 2015 21:23:02 GMT
But your not by your "Laughing stock" thread? I'm pretty sure if the playing budget DC received this season wasn't a decent one he wouldn't be talking about a top 7 finish and so putting unwanted pressure on himself.
As far as GGMI suggesting Fleetwood got promoted due to a decent playing budget, if you look at their club wage bill when they went up it was less than ours, and we were relegated!
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Post by Centenary Gas on Jul 27, 2015 21:30:04 GMT
How many extra players would £5,000 a week give us? About 3-4? Because thats what we are paying in interest on the wonga loan.
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Post by Rovers 12th Man on Jul 28, 2015 6:36:21 GMT
DC suggesting he'd be bringing in 4 or 5 players perhaps was bit of wide of the mark? Montano, Clarke, Lines and (probably) Bodin. I make that 4 and bang on the money.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 6:45:15 GMT
Longest thread following a friendly?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 7:19:43 GMT
How many extra players would £5,000 a week give us? About 3-4? Because thats what we are paying in interest on the wonga loan. The court case does not affect the playing budget. NH.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 28, 2015 7:29:39 GMT
How many extra players would £5,000 a week give us? About 3-4? Because thats what we are paying in interest on the wonga loan. The court case does not affect the playing budget. NH. Now how can you argue with a man with such great integrity?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 28, 2015 7:37:46 GMT
How many extra players would £5,000 a week give us? About 3-4? Because thats what we are paying in interest on the wonga loan. So would yopu have been happy if NH had announced we were just going to let Sainsbury's walk away from the contract 6 months ago as the club couldn't afford to meet any further legal costs? Regardless I guess the Wonga interest is just being added to the clubs overall debts than being paid out of the playing budget.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 28, 2015 7:40:05 GMT
DC suggesting he'd be bringing in 4 or 5 players perhaps was bit of wide of the mark? Montano, Clarke, Lines and (probably) Bodin. I make that 4 and bang on the money. Wasn't it 4 or 5 additional players as we've lost Monkey, Trotters & Balanta??
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 7:43:07 GMT
How many extra players would £5,000 a week give us? About 3-4? Because thats what we are paying in interest on the wonga loan. So would yopu have been happy if NH had announced we were just going to let Sainsbury's walk away from the contract 6 months ago as the club couldn't afford to meet any further legal costs? Regardless I guess the Wonga interest is just being added to the clubs overall debts than being paid out of the playing budget. It would have been preferable if he'd been honest and said it has affected the playing budget.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 7:57:23 GMT
How many extra players would £5,000 a week give us? About 3-4? Because thats what we are paying in interest on the wonga loan. So would yopu have been happy if NH had announced we were just going to let Sainsbury's walk away from the contract 6 months ago as the club couldn't afford to meet any further legal costs? Regardless I guess the Wonga interest is just being added to the clubs overall debts than being paid out of the playing budget. Did anybody truly believe we were going to win the case? With hindsight how do you feel about our pursuit? NH and the team were sold up the river. Sainsbury wouldn't have gone to court if there was a chance they'd lose. They deal with these battles all the time, just think how many shops there are! A long time ago NH could have chosen to cut losses and try something else. 15m to houses 3 years ago? We'd have more than half a stadium by now. With half a stadium maybe the bank might increase that overdraft by a few mil. But I also doubt the loan is coming from the playing budget, it certainly shouldn't be.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jul 28, 2015 8:06:29 GMT
No one has the absolute facts to be fair and both DC and NH are telling the truth depending on how you look at it. I think now may be a good time for a follow up Q and A with our chairman etc. as some of what is written is pure conjecture and once explained may not be clearer but may explain things a little better. I truly wish we had better communication. That said sadly we are where we are, as it stands for whatever reason we don't have much money and a sugar daddy is not coming forward. So let's embrace the positives and also remember DC will give us a good chance anyway with his hard work no nonsense philosophy. He said top 7 was achievable with this group of players so let's get behind that. UTG
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 8:45:46 GMT
I wouldn't be interested in a BoD QnA. Some would find it useful but I don't think I could take any of it seriously. We supporters get fed what they want to feed us imo. As long as enough people use the turnstiles to keep it ticking over they don't give a Monkeys.
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