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Post by hanham on Jul 15, 2014 22:44:14 GMT
Not been keeping up with forums for a few days, enjoyed the rest. Came back to see what people saying after Cheltenham defeat and must admit it feels a bit crap. Can't see how we can do anything with squad this small. Optimism is waning fast. I was a big believer in dc after he talked the talk but now having my doubts Suggest that actually you will find most people who were there tonight, myself included, came away very positive. Very little hoofball, some good spells of passing and some much missed passion. To be honest Sinclair could be a revelation. If this is the type of football Clarke intends to serve up I am very happy. Good banter with the players too, a wry wink from Parksie when someone suggested he should just put the player he had flattened 'through the table' classic Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by fanboy on Jul 15, 2014 22:46:26 GMT
Not been keeping up with forums for a few days, enjoyed the rest. Came back to see what people saying after Cheltenham defeat and must admit it feels a bit crap. Can't see how we can do anything with squad this small. Optimism is waning fast. I was a big believer in dc after he talked the talk but now having my doubts Suggest that actually you will find most people who were there tonight, myself included, came away very positive. Very little hoofball, some good spells of passing and some much missed passion. To be honest Sinclair could be a revelation. If this is the type of football Clarke intends to serve up I am very happy. Good banter with the players too, a wry wink from Parksie when someone suggested he should just put the player he had flattened 'through the table' classic Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Totally agree. I was impressed tonight. We have a good foundation now.
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Post by stigofthegas on Jul 15, 2014 22:56:15 GMT
I don't know where this thread comes from Dinsdale? You having a bad day?
I was encouraged by the performance tonight. We pressed high, played at a high tempo and in the first half probably edged it.
Yeah, the squad is very thin but that can be fixed. We need some creativity and more striking options - that can be fixed.
Accusing DC of lying like you did says more about the poster than DC I'm afraid. This forum is great when the debate is intelligent, that was just a vent of steam.
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Post by gasincider on Jul 15, 2014 23:25:04 GMT
I also went tonight and thought we looked pretty good. A target man and a big centre back are musts, but if he can get those and a couple of wingers, I think we may well have a decent season.
Our new cult hero has arrived in the form of Stuart Sinclair. He didn't stop running and closing down the opposition for the whole game.
Overall, considering it was the first time they played together, it was very promising.
All we need now is the board to pull together in supporting the manager and cut out the absolute boll*cks postings by Dins and we can move forward together.
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Post by empirebaypete on Jul 15, 2014 23:27:04 GMT
I have absolutely no problem with us having the youth keeper as back up. At the Central Coast Mariners our goalkeeper suffered a season ending injury early in the 2010 season. We stuck our 18 year old keeper in. He left us last year for FC Bruge. At age 22 he was goalkeeper of the year in Belgium and the Australian keeper at the World Cup.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 5:12:41 GMT
I don't know where this thread comes from Dinsdale? You having a bad day? I was encouraged by the performance tonight. We pressed high, played at a high tempo and in the first half probably edged it. Yeah, the squad is very thin but that can be fixed. We need some creativity and more striking options - that can be fixed. Accusing DC of lying like you did says more about the poster than DC I'm afraid. This forum is great when the debate is intelligent, that was just a vent of steam. It comes from his punlic comments about building the squad and the fact he hasnt done so, also his comments about John Ward issued in tune with the board at the egm which were unfair. Very pleased fans saw some positives at cheltenham
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 6:29:29 GMT
Dins dale, multiple people have asked you and you haven't answered: where and how did DC slag off Ward? There only one thing DC has said about Ward and that is that they were very different men.
DC, infact, has been the only one to accept even the slightest bit of responsibility. The board didn't and he didn't. He's handled the relegation with more honesty and humility than Ward or the Board did, so quite frankly I have no idea what your talking about with that particular comment you keep repeating.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 16, 2014 7:00:54 GMT
everybody all together now.... we all agree dinsdale is a who posts what he thinks ! I may not agree with what he states, but i do respect him as a poster
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 7:04:46 GMT
Dins dale, multiple people have asked you and you haven't answered: where and how did DC slag off Ward? There only one thing DC has said about Ward and that is that they were very different men. DC, infact, has been the only one to accept even the slightest bit of responsibility. The board didn't and he didn't. He's handled the relegation with more honesty and humility than Ward or the Board did, so quite frankly I have no idea what your talking about with that particular comment you keep repeating. I didnt see anyone ask me about Ward sorry ? He has stated he didnt learn anything from him, he stated we had a bad team morale, that Ward wouldnt listen to his advice, that he wouldnt have signed those players, slagged off the signing of Gillespie, the way we played football and so on. This has been on the radio, the brsc egm etc. He was a big part of a failed set up and stated he had limited influence and now he was manager he would get his players in, he has great contacts in the game and we get us set up for pre season. He is our manager and we (me included) have No choice but to get behind once the season begins but im very worried by him as are others on this forum. I would like him to do his talking on the training ground.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 7:05:20 GMT
Ps not trying to keep this argument going just responding to questions to myself
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 7:06:33 GMT
Ps not trying to keep this argument going just responding to questions to myself Other posters said the same but just didnt us the word sh** :-) but happy to be the forum whipping boy for those who are happy with the club.
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Post by fanboy on Jul 16, 2014 7:11:17 GMT
Dins dale, multiple people have asked you and you haven't answered: where and how did DC slag off Ward? There only one thing DC has said about Ward and that is that they were very different men. DC, infact, has been the only one to accept even the slightest bit of responsibility. The board didn't and he didn't. He's handled the relegation with more honesty and humility than Ward or the Board did, so quite frankly I have no idea what your talking about with that particular comment you keep repeating. I didnt see anyone ask me about Ward sorry ? He has stated he didnt learn anything from him, he stated we had a bad team morale, that Ward wouldnt listen to his advice, that he wouldnt have signed those players, slagged off the signing of Gillespie, the way we played football and so on. This has been on the radio, the brsc egm etc. He was a big part of a failed set up and stated he had limited influence and now he was manager he would get his players in, he has great contacts in the game and we get us set up for pre season. He is our manager and we (me included) have No choice but to get behind once the season begins but im very worried by him as are others on this forum. I would like him to do his talking on the training ground. Have to say it seems he has done his talking on the training ground because last night we played very well in what is not an easy formation to master. We haven't had long but the players had a good understanding of eachother which will only improve. Last night was a breath of fresh air from the football we were flogged last season - it is very clear Clarke has a vision (as he's said) and he's definitely started off well. It's all about the remaining additions now.
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Post by stigofthegas on Jul 16, 2014 7:12:17 GMT
Dinsdale, your last post was a reasoned, balanced and worthy post which we can all debate. Your opening post "he's full of bull and is a liar" was NOT.
You a very naughty boy, don't do it again!!!!
I have concerns about DC, but I think that while he criticised JW he wasn't over the top and did manage to maintain his dignity. And the fact that he hasn't achieved his target of having his squad ready for preseason is disappointing but not the end of the world. At least he isn't signing rubbish or paying over the odds which would be worse.
After last night I am still very much behind him.
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Post by newmarketgas on Jul 16, 2014 7:16:25 GMT
Not a whipping boy but getting close to martyr. We all make bad and silly posts, it's best to just admit it and move on. UTG.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 8:10:54 GMT
Thanks to several of you who actually went last night for putting to bed the thoughts of the OP. Most encouraging to hear especially the lack of hoofball on view!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 8:12:35 GMT
Dins dale, multiple people have asked you and you haven't answered: where and how did DC slag off Ward? There only one thing DC has said about Ward and that is that they were very different men. DC, infact, has been the only one to accept even the slightest bit of responsibility. The board didn't and he didn't. He's handled the relegation with more honesty and humility than Ward or the Board did, so quite frankly I have no idea what your talking about with that particular comment you keep repeating. I didnt see anyone ask me about Ward sorry ? He has stated he didnt learn anything from him, he stated we had a bad team morale, that Ward wouldnt listen to his advice, that he wouldnt have signed those players, slagged off the signing of Gillespie, the way we played football and so on. This has been on the radio, the brsc egm etc. He was a big part of a failed set up and stated he had limited influence and now he was manager he would get his players in, he has great contacts in the game and we get us set up for pre season. He is our manager and we (me included) have No choice but to get behind once the season begins but im very worried by him as are others on this forum. I would like him to do his talking on the training ground. He didn't learn from him: That's fair enough in my opinion. It was a silly appointment at the time as the two are clearly very different, uncompatible men, for good or for bad that either men have. The are quite literally chalk and cheese. We had bad morale: I don't think that's a slight on Ward. We had rotten players at the club last season. Certain rumors about the teams off field activities are fact, not fiction. The only way that's lying is by not disclosing more about it, which I'm pretty sure anyone at the club is bound for legal reasons. At the end of the day, in some respects, Clarke has to be distant from the rumours. I can see why someone would be annoyed at him dis-associating with last season, but do you not think more would be panicking had he said: "Ward did nothing wrong, his philisophy was right and I intend on carrying on as he left off, he made a great impression on me and I'm thankful that we spend this season together." I don't think we're in for a great, promotion winning season. I'm not sure that Clarke will even be here for the end of it. But i like the bloke, I like his ideas on not signing the 'full bellied' players or signing for long term deals on big wages. I hope he turns it round for us, but there is too much wrong with this club for him to be the fall guy if it goes to sh** this season. Although he will be the one blamed by some fans or the board, just like Trollope, Buckle, McGhee, Ward before him. I, personally, won't be making him a scapegoat though, through success or failure. At somepoint people will realize that the manager isn't why this club is where it is. That means the ones who blame Ward for last season OR the ones who feel Clarke should have got us enough points to stay up. Even those who think both should have done better are focusing their annoyance in the wrong direction.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Jul 16, 2014 8:39:01 GMT
You said i was on one and i agreed and explained why. I have got more watered off every day since we went down. Devastated by it. Gutted we look so weak I kind of feel the same. Not more pi55ed off though but more distant. Helpless and without a light at the end of what seems like an extremely long tunnel. This
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 9:19:57 GMT
Not a whipping boy but getting close to martyr. We all make bad and silly posts, it's best to just admit it and move on. UTG. Martyr ? I dont mind who agrees or disagrees with my posts, i say it as i see it. DC promised a decent squad for pre season, has reduced the number of players he feels we need several times without signing anyone, we have a squad of 13 players. I dont see losing 1.0 in a friendly to Cheltenham a evidence to prove or disprove my views. I have no problem with the style of football he wants us to play, the use of trialists, more realistic contracts etc but for once i want a manager who says it how it is. Ill leave it there
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 9:23:39 GMT
everybody all together now.... we all agree dinsdale is a I wish your father was
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Post by lympstonegas on Jul 16, 2014 12:40:12 GMT
Not a whipping boy but getting close to martyr. We all make bad and silly posts, it's best to just admit it and move on. UTG. Martyr ? I dont mind who agrees or disagrees with my posts, i say it as i see it. DC promised a decent squad for pre season, has reduced the number of players he feels we need several times without signing anyone, we have a squad of 13 players. I dont see losing 1.0 in a friendly to Cheltenham a evidence to prove or disprove my views. I have no problem with the style of football he wants us to play, the use of trialists, more realistic contracts etc but for once i want a manager who says it how it is. Ill leave it there Actually think after reading DCs reflections on the Cheltenham game lastnight on the OS he makes it very clear on his views of the shortcomings of the current squad and what he will be doing to address this before the season starts. Can't see how he can be accused of talking bull as the reports from those there seem to mirror his views. Yes it does seem as though some identified targets are turning us down as is their right and applicable to every team in the land. But he is still looking and knows the areas he needs to strengthen. I'm am sure players are still being choosy in their options to secure the best deal for themselves even at this late stage and now being in the Confetemce doesn't exactly help us but I'm confident based on the reports on the players he has brought in so far he will now deliver the rest.
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