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Post by haddock_n_chips on Nov 17, 2015 16:33:14 GMT
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Post by justin blue on Nov 17, 2015 17:27:03 GMT
Shame I suppose, but how can we compete with what clubs like Fulham have to offer? |
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Post by Rod1883 on Nov 17, 2015 17:32:38 GMT
Do we get anything from this deal? If not it seems pretty unfair and potentially makes having a youth scheme financially unattractive.
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Post by Gassy on Nov 17, 2015 18:37:05 GMT
I'm sure it will go to tribunal - depending when we signed him of course
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 17, 2015 18:50:32 GMT
Shame I suppose, but how can we compete with what clubs like Fulham have to offer? I suppose you could always show him that Ollie Mehew's not had the best of times at Blackburn? Not sure what's happened to Santos is he still at Derby? |
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Post by haddock_n_chips on Nov 17, 2015 21:55:22 GMT
Shame I suppose, but how can we compete with what clubs like Fulham have to offer? I suppose you could always show him that Ollie Mehew's not had the best of times at Blackburn? Not sure what's happened to Santos is he still at Derby? True but if you were in his shoes you gotta give it a shot, Like Justin says big teams like Fulham have facilities and coaching miles ahead of us. |
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Post by gasincider on Nov 18, 2015 1:13:21 GMT
I suppose you could always show him that Ollie Mehew's not had the best of times at Blackburn? Not sure what's happened to Santos is he still at Derby? Santos is still at Derby. Chatted with him at the Mansfield game. |
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Post by simon1883 on Nov 18, 2015 12:47:20 GMT
I am starting to get very annoyed with this. We work so hard as club on this side, yet the stupid FA want the premier league to have everything.
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Post by markczgas on Nov 18, 2015 13:27:02 GMT
I am starting to get very annoyed with this. We work so hard as club on this side, yet the stupid FA want the premier league to have everything. What do you mean by this ? Bigger clubs will always poach talented players - perhaps the only thing that's changed is that they are prepared to sign them younger than 20/30 years ago. But as you see with Ollie Mehew it doesn't always work out. |
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Post by alvestongas on Nov 18, 2015 23:19:10 GMT
Are Fulham a BIG club?
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 19, 2015 0:17:53 GMT
Perhaps one thing we could do is tie up with the UWE (assuming we haven't burnt too many bridges over the stadium issue) and offer help towards a graduate training programme. It would offer an incentive to stay and show we are looking after our young players in not discarding them at 18.
Of course it's down to money which we are short of at the moment.
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Post by pepsi on Nov 19, 2015 4:04:17 GMT
i know one of the fathers who used to watch and he told me what a great prospect he was, unfortunately him and his father wanted out of rovers at the first opportunity and would of been earlier if possible...
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 19, 2015 8:47:04 GMT
I am starting to get very annoyed with this. We work so hard as club on this side, yet the stupid FA want the premier league to have everything. What do you mean by this ? Bigger clubs will always poach talented players - perhaps the only thing that's changed is that they are prepared to sign them younger than 20/30 years ago. But as you see with Ollie Mehew it doesn't always work out. The Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) means that bigger clubs get more money for player development, provided they put more money in, and it means they can effectively poach any youth player from a lower level for a set fee at any time. Doesn't matter how good a prospect the kid is, it's now a (quite low) set fee. Which basically means there's almost no point at all for a lower league team (or lower category development squad) to bother developing exceptional players. They'd be better off developing players that are just the right sort of level for their category. |
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Post by simon1883 on Nov 19, 2015 14:17:09 GMT
What do you mean by this ? Bigger clubs will always poach talented players - perhaps the only thing that's changed is that they are prepared to sign them younger than 20/30 years ago. But as you see with Ollie Mehew it doesn't always work out. The Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) means that bigger clubs get more money for player development, provided they put more money in, and it means they can effectively poach any youth player from a lower level for a set fee at any time. Doesn't matter how good a prospect the kid is, it's now a (quite low) set fee. Which basically means there's almost no point at all for a lower league team (or lower category development squad) to bother developing exceptional players. They'd be better off developing players that are just the right sort of level for their category. Very well summarised. Complete joke, fully administered by our loving FA.... We all love the Premier League..... Would probably find lost of players would develop better if they were left to gain first team experience and completed thier apprenticeship! |
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Post by markczgas on Nov 19, 2015 19:46:24 GMT
The Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) means that bigger clubs get more money for player development, provided they put more money in, and it means they can effectively poach any youth player from a lower level for a set fee at any time. Doesn't matter how good a prospect the kid is, it's now a (quite low) set fee. Which basically means there's almost no point at all for a lower league team (or lower category development squad) to bother developing exceptional players. They'd be better off developing players that are just the right sort of level for their category. Very well summarised. Complete joke, fully administered by our loving FA.... We all love the Premier League..... Would probably find lost of players would develop better if they were left to gain first team experience and completed thier apprenticeship! Ah ! from this perspective, yes I agree totally. Rovers are entitled to I think 3,000 quid for every season the player has been with their parent academy plus a flat rate (can't remember how much). Still, it is a BIG gamble for clubs to pay even 30/ 40 grand on most talented 16 year-olds - you just don't know if they are going to make it ! Many slip back down to lower divisions or The Conf and only if they have bags of determination they might work their way back. You wonder what will happen to Matt Macey, Alfie Santos and Donovan Wilson, to name a few ?? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 19, 2015 20:01:14 GMT
Matt Macey seems to be doing OK for himself so far? As far as Santos etc even if it comes to the worse they will still probably have Div 1 or 2 clubs chasing them once they are released, look at LDV as an example. So is it easier for a player like Santos to stay at Rovers and make the grade or go to the likes of Derby, get coach by a Championship coaching set up and, if it doesn't work out, try their luck at a Div 1 side?
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Post by markczgas on Nov 19, 2015 20:06:45 GMT
Matt Macey seems to be doing OK for himself so far? As far as Santos etc even if it comes to the worse they will still probably have Div 1 or 2 clubs chasing them once they are released, look at LDV as an example. So is it easier for a player like Santos to stay at Rovers and make the grade or go to the likes of Derby, get coach by a Championship coaching set up and, if it doesn't work out, try their luck at a Div 1 side? Sadly, clubs like Derby are in different league when it comes to facilities. As far as I know the U18s now play at Golden Hill now and the coaches will tell you that the pitches are garbage !! We not only need a new stadium but MUCH better facilities for our first team and academy players. So Sadly, if I were a 16 year old I'd jump at the chance of a move. Long term ( or even short term) Rovers need to put money into youth development facilities or we will always lose the Isaac Pearces of this world. |
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Post by supergas on Nov 19, 2015 23:48:06 GMT
The Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) means that bigger clubs get more money for player development, provided they put more money in, and it means they can effectively poach any youth player from a lower level for a set fee at any time. Doesn't matter how good a prospect the kid is, it's now a (quite low) set fee. Which basically means there's almost no point at all for a lower league team (or lower category development squad) to bother developing exceptional players. They'd be better off developing players that are just the right sort of level for their category. Very well summarised. Complete joke, fully administered by our loving FA.... We all love the Premier League..... Would probably find lost of players would develop better if they were left to gain first team experience and completed thier apprenticeship! I agree EPPP is just the Premier League bullying the lower league clubs, stockpiling potential and then chucking 99% of it on the scrapheap. There are a number of things the Premier League, the FA and the Football League could do to fix this but it won't happen until at least another 3-4 failures at major tournaments for the England team and the first weekend where we have no English players in the starting XI's of any of the 20 Premiership teams.... |
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Post by mjhgas on Nov 20, 2015 8:13:14 GMT
Don't forget that the Football League voted all of this through in return for £££''s - albeit, not a lot!!!
A quick buck over long term development!
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Post by simon1883 on Nov 20, 2015 10:03:57 GMT
If we voted for this then we need our head read.... why would anyone cut off one of thier main income streams for a short term lump..... oh hang on....
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