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Post by lpgas on Feb 3, 2016 0:05:53 GMT
Up until Accrington I had it in my mind to expect a 5-3-2 and later turn in to a 4-4-2 if we went a goal down. Seems fair enough, but we started with a 4-4-2 with Lawrence on the right wing. Personally I wasn't impressed with Lawrence. A few good passes in the first 20 minutes or so and then he seemed to stop to get his breath back. He's is certainly not a runner, nor is he a tackler. I thought he would go off at half time but no he re appeared, and again I thought he was slow, and he started to have a go at one or two of the others.
I don't know why DC picked him, he surely wasn't fit. Lets face it he hasn't played for a while, well a long while. I thought perhaps he might have made the bench, but no. I thought on the way home that if you are going to play 4-4-2 then you need someone to drive the team forward. Lines for example, Lawrence is no "driver" in fact I thought that on occaisions he left Clarke exposed by not chasing back as much as he should. I hope his signing doesn't upset the rest of the team, let's face it that team took us to fourth, and with that in mind I thought did we really need him?
Lets face it he is no spring chicken, and definitely the best before date has long since passed. The other thing is this. If he is so good and a good signing to boot, the why did Shrewsbury, who are struggling towards the bottom of the league above prepared to let him go? and for free?
Also it seems to go against DC's previous signings being "Young and talented". I am beginning to think that maybe DC is helping an old mate out, especially with a promise of a years contract if we go up. Who else has had a promise like that before they even kicked a ball?
Of course I maybe wrong he might be the best player we have ever signed but I sincerely doubt it. Yes I know about his reputation, but we have a good team and I for one don't want one of Daryls mates spoiling it
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Post by ThisCharmingMan on Feb 3, 2016 0:16:27 GMT
We'll have to wait a see. But I highly doubt DC would make a signing just to help a mate out, if anything I would say that Lawrence choose us instead of other teams because of the respect he has for Darrell.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 0:26:22 GMT
He looked decent against BArnet I thought. Didnt go to Accy but willing to give him a bit more time than 90 minutes to see what he can give us.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Feb 3, 2016 0:27:21 GMT
We'll have to wait a see. But I highly doubt DC would make a signing just to help a mate out, if anything I would say that Lawrence choose us instead of other teams because of the respect he has for Darrell. If DC made decisions based on helping mates out, Monkhouse would still be here. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 0:55:17 GMT
if the op was after 4 poor games by lawrence it would be worthy of discussion but this was his 1st start and from the reports he wasnt the only player to struggle so for me its a bit off
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Post by supergas on Feb 3, 2016 1:25:37 GMT
Up until Accrington I had it in my mind to expect a 5-3-2 and later turn in to a 4-4-2 if we went a goal down. Seems fair enough, but we started with a 4-4-2 with Lawrence on the right wing. Personally I wasn't impressed with Lawrence. A few good passes in the first 20 minutes or so and then he seemed to stop to get his breath back. He's is certainly not a runner, nor is he a tackler. I thought he would go off at half time but no he re appeared, and again I thought he was slow, and he started to have a go at one or two of the others. I don't know why DC picked him, he surely wasn't fit. Lets face it he hasn't played for a while, well a long while. I thought perhaps he might have made the bench, but no. I thought on the way home that if you are going to play 4-4-2 then you need someone to drive the team forward. Lines for example, Lawrence is no "driver" in fact I thought that on occaisions he left Clarke exposed by not chasing back as much as he should. I hope his signing doesn't upset the rest of the team, let's face it that team took us to fourth, and with that in mind I thought did we really need him? Lets face it he is no spring chicken, and definitely the best before date has long since passed. The other thing is this. If he is so good and a good signing to boot, the why did Shrewsbury, who are struggling towards the bottom of the league above prepared to let him go? and for free? Also it seems to go against DC's previous signings being "Young and talented". I am beginning to think that maybe DC is helping an old mate out, especially with a promise of a years contract if we go up. Who else has had a promise like that before they even kicked a ball? Of course I maybe wrong he might be the best player we have ever signed but I sincerely doubt it. Yes I know about his reputation, but we have a good team and I for one don't want one of Daryls mates spoiling it I laughed at this. What kind of supporter slags off a new signing who's still finding his feet in the current squad and a manager who has guided his squad to 4th in the league with nearly two thirds of the season gone....? I know the ethos of this forum is attack the post and not the poster, so I'll just stick to saying your post is nonsense... |
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 3, 2016 1:34:25 GMT
Quite funny actually LP Gas because I would swear that Lawrence was playing on Lee Browns side and not Clarkes but actually felt he was no worse than most of the others. OK Sinclair ran about a lot but did he actually do anymore than Lawrence.Certainly in possession Lawrence was trying to be creative and pass forward unlike both Sinclair and Manselll who rarely passed the ball forward. I feel he is a central midfielder in this the twilight of his career. You can't expect him to be running all over the place and I wouldn't want him too as we have enough players who run about but don't have an ounce of creativity. It seems to me that some people just look for a player to fail even as soon as they make their first start!! There were people moaning at Montano before he had even received his first pass!! This type of "support" is hardly going to encourage a player to play well.
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Post by mehewmagic on Feb 3, 2016 1:47:55 GMT
i wasn't at Accy so I'll be careful what I write.
1 - just to be factual, LL played a full 90 mins as recently as mid dec, and played 60mins on 2nd Jan. compared to other players (e.g. rory fallon) I'd say that is not really a long time ago. Shrews fans said 'his legs have gone' so i can well believe he's not the player he used to be, and may not be fully match sharp either, but it could be worse.
2 - the issue may be more of his position really. when players get older then tend to move from wide positions into the centre (e.g. Alan Smith recently at notts county). Maybe this was the big 'mistake' rather than the fact he was on the pitch at all.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Feb 3, 2016 7:27:23 GMT
Stupid thread.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 7:31:43 GMT
4 point from 3 games against top six sides. 2 away.
If we got 5 (won at home, drew the 2 away games) we would be all cock a hoop - praising DC and fully convinced of auto promotion.
Over one point. Despair and death or triumph and elation - one single point in 3 games.
Those games had league leaders, a team beating prem sides.....
We scored 3 conceded 3.
All this tells me is that we are among the best teams in l2.
Catastrophising is wrong - we will bounce back.
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Post by fanboy on Feb 3, 2016 9:10:04 GMT
Also it seems to go against DC's previous signings being "Young and talented". I am beginning to think that maybe DC is helping an old mate out, especially with a promise of a years contract if we go up. Who else has had a promise like that before they even kicked a ball? To be fair I imagine practically the entire of last years squad had that promise? |
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Post by GasAttacK on Feb 3, 2016 9:47:40 GMT
Quite funny actually LP Gas because I would swear that Lawrence was playing on Lee Browns side and not Clarkes but actually felt he was no worse than most of the others. OK Sinclair ran about a lot but did he actually do anymore than Lawrence.Certainly in possession Lawrence was trying to be creative and pass forward unlike both Sinclair and Manselll who rarely passed the ball forward. I feel he is a central midfielder in this the twilight of his career. You can't expect him to be running all over the place and I wouldn't want him too as we have enough players who run about but don't have an ounce of creativity. It seems to me that some people just look for a player to fail even as soon as they make their first start!! There were people moaning at Montano before he had even received his first pass!! This type of "support" is hardly going to encourage a player to play well. You're quite right Steve, he did play on the left for the entire match. He sometimes drifted inside but I don't think he ever swapped sides with Bodin. As for his performance, I thought he did okay. Not great but not as bad as some are making out. He showed some good touches and as you say he at least tried to pass forward and create instead of going sideways or backwards. We need a bit more from him but there are signs that he could be a good addition and I'm certainly not going to write him off after his first full game. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 3, 2016 10:30:29 GMT
Up until Accrington I had it in my mind to expect a 5-3-2 and later turn in to a 4-4-2 if we went a goal down. Seems fair enough, but we started with a 4-4-2 with Lawrence on the right wing. Personally I wasn't impressed with Lawrence. A few good passes in the first 20 minutes or so and then he seemed to stop to get his breath back. He's is certainly not a runner, nor is he a tackler. I thought he would go off at half time but no he re appeared, and again I thought he was slow, and he started to have a go at one or two of the others. I don't know why DC picked him, he surely wasn't fit. Lets face it he hasn't played for a while, well a long while. I thought perhaps he might have made the bench, but no. I thought on the way home that if you are going to play 4-4-2 then you need someone to drive the team forward. Lines for example, Lawrence is no "driver" in fact I thought that on occaisions he left Clarke exposed by not chasing back as much as he should. I hope his signing doesn't upset the rest of the team, let's face it that team took us to fourth, and with that in mind I thought did we really need him? Lets face it he is no spring chicken, and definitely the best before date has long since passed. The other thing is this. If he is so good and a good signing to boot, the why did Shrewsbury, who are struggling towards the bottom of the league above prepared to let him go? and for free? Also it seems to go against DC's previous signings being "Young and talented". I am beginning to think that maybe DC is helping an old mate out, especially with a promise of a years contract if we go up. Who else has had a promise like that before they even kicked a ball? Of course I maybe wrong he might be the best player we have ever signed but I sincerely doubt it. Yes I know about his reputation, but we have a good team and I for one don't want one of Daryls mates spoiling it DC won't get it right all the time but majority of the time he does. |
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Post by grayraydon on Feb 3, 2016 10:41:23 GMT
To state that DC could've signed him just to help a mate out is just plain silly imo, all of DC's signings are made because he thinks they will add to and improve the squad, he has a very tight budget and to think that he'd waste some of it 'helping out a mate' is just wrong I would say, also it's only his 1st start for us, why don't we give him a few games before we slaughter him, you never know he might even play well next time.
I wasn't at Accy but from what I've read from people who were there it seems that pretty much everyone had an off day, this happens sometimes, just thqankfully a lot less nowadays than in previous seasons, plus he looked ok to me when I saw him come on at Barnet but let's give him a few games please, and as for the promise of a new contract if he helps us go up, where's the problem with that, surely that's a big win-win for everybody?
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Post by Nortongashead on Feb 3, 2016 11:40:18 GMT
FFS we arent going to win every game we turn up in or didnt in this case. Picking out LL is unfair as the whole team were ever so slightly beaten by the better team on the day. We are still missing Monkhouse and i thought that LL and LB were the closest ive seen to the old LB AM partnership, early days granted. Its worth remembering who were the non-league team last season now operating in the playoff zone of L2. WE lost a game of football not for the want of trying against a decent Accrington side by a fluky goal. Move on dear sir! We have a team and a manager that give a f**k about the blue and white cause. UTG.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 3, 2016 13:13:47 GMT
Padstow did ask on the Harrison thread who was going to be the next target for stick on the forum I guess after all full game Lawrence has now become one in record time? Given the OP thought LL was playing in font of Clark on Saturday you do wonder what match he was acctually watching?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 3, 2016 14:43:28 GMT
I'm well up for getting stuck right in to the lazy, final pay check stealing, busted flush that is Liam Lawrence.
I'm swapping my regular South Stand seat for a place behind the dugout Saturday.
He's Dam getting some.
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Post by mehewmagic on Feb 3, 2016 15:07:24 GMT
I suspect the bottom line is that people and clubs are STILL under-estimating little teams who do well. Accy, Burton, Brentford, Leicester. It can;t be luck. People need to analyse what they did well and learn from it.
Accy have been in this league 10 seasons now and done ok.
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