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Post by gasincider on Mar 3, 2016 9:14:06 GMT
Just about the only thing that PP would be granted for up there is housing. Even she couldn't stop that. But we all seem to forget that PP has already been granted for a structure to be built on that site. Why not offer it again to all the major stores to build within the approved profile?
We may not get £28m for it, but as long as it is sold at a profit, it will be off our hands. How about an indoor market with the emphasis on selling at discounted rates exactly what the shopkeepers who objected to us sell. Undermine their businesses by undercutting them. Nothing illegal about that.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 3, 2016 9:22:54 GMT
It would be interesting to see whether James Carstairs fights tooth and nail to prevent houses being built on his beloved war memorial, or he just shuts the f**k up.
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Post by Thatslife on Mar 3, 2016 9:27:13 GMT
A recycling centre would fit the green ethos, nice and noisy and smelly with trucks arriving and departing 24/7
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 3, 2016 9:31:54 GMT
A recycling centre would fit the green ethos, nice and noisy and smelly with trucks arriving and departing 24/7 You don't understand the Bishopston Green ethos, then. Recycling centres are for other parts of the city where poor people live, see also, factories, supermarkets, and football stadiums. They can drive their 4x4s to those. The area where they live is to be set aside for expensive housing, allotments, and coffee shops. That's the best way to live in harmony with the environment. Remember, if you can't see it from your bedroom window, then it's not happening.
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Post by youmadethatup on Mar 3, 2016 22:52:12 GMT
A recycling centre would fit the green ethos, nice and noisy and smelly with trucks arriving and departing 24/7 You don't understand the Bishopston Green ethos, then. Recycling centres are for other parts of the city where poor people live, see also, factories, supermarkets, and football stadiums. They can drive their 4x4s to those. The area where they live is to be set aside for expensive housing, allotments, and coffee shops. That's the best way to live in harmony with the environment. Remember, if you can't see it from your bedroom window, then it's not happening. In fairness what did a sainsburys supermarket offer to local people ? It's not as if Gloucester Rd isn't already full of shops and with large tescos at golden hill and eastgate its kind of not offering anything but more traffic . In an ideal world the site would be better used for a mixed site of flats and trade units giving space for new jobs ...or does everyone have to be a shop worker these days ? If the site was developed using more green technologies I think you would have found many more locals on board and perhaps even wanting the development. The thing is though this would not have raised the money needed to build a stadium under the old regime. So our greed and needs surpassed any desire to enhance the locality and get the locals onboard. As events played out having the locals against you doesn't work very well does it else rovers would already be running out at the uwe stadium.The siege mentality where everyone is against us works well in some situations in others it is a massive liability ,better to have friends and allies than enemies.....except of course that team in north Somerset
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Post by curlywurly on Mar 3, 2016 23:15:45 GMT
You don't understand the Bishopston Green ethos, then. Recycling centres are for other parts of the city where poor people live, see also, factories, supermarkets, and football stadiums. They can drive their 4x4s to those. The area where they live is to be set aside for expensive housing, allotments, and coffee shops. That's the best way to live in harmony with the environment. Remember, if you can't see it from your bedroom window, then it's not happening. In fairness what did a sainsburys supermarket offer to local people ? It's not as if Gloucester Rd isn't already full of shops and with large tescos at golden hill and eastgate its kind of not offering anything but more traffic . In an ideal world the site would be better used for a mixed site of flats and trade units giving space for new jobs ...or does everyone have to be a shop worker these days ? If the site was developed using more green technologies I think you would have found many more locals on board and perhaps even wanting the development. The thing is though this would not have raised the money needed to build a stadium under the old regime. So our greed and needs surpassed any desire to enhance the locality and get the locals onboard. As events played out having the locals against you doesn't work very well does it else rovers would already be running out at the uwe stadium.The siege mentality where everyone is against us works well in some situations in others it is a massive liability ,better to have friends and allies than enemies.....except of course that team in north Somerset With "locals" like Radice, Carstairs, Scrafton, Willingham, etc. there was no way that any reasonable development proposal would "get them on board". Their spurious and damaging soap box stands were/are nothing but myopic self interest. For the elected amongst them (Radice in particular) the use of every twist and turn of the legal process to thwart the democratic process exposes the crass opportunism that underlies her pseudo politics. I have never hoped more that these people now reap what they sow. As it seems Rovers are no longer dependent on the Sainsbury's deal going ahead, that day may come soon.
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Post by youmadethatup on Mar 3, 2016 23:36:30 GMT
In fairness what did a sainsburys supermarket offer to local people ? It's not as if Gloucester Rd isn't already full of shops and with large tescos at golden hill and eastgate its kind of not offering anything but more traffic . In an ideal world the site would be better used for a mixed site of flats and trade units giving space for new jobs ...or does everyone have to be a shop worker these days ? If the site was developed using more green technologies I think you would have found many more locals on board and perhaps even wanting the development. The thing is though this would not have raised the money needed to build a stadium under the old regime. So our greed and needs surpassed any desire to enhance the locality and get the locals onboard. As events played out having the locals against you doesn't work very well does it else rovers would already be running out at the uwe stadium.The siege mentality where everyone is against us works well in some situations in others it is a massive liability ,better to have friends and allies than enemies.....except of course that team in north Somerset With "locals" like Radice, Carstairs, Scrafton, Willingham, etc. there was no way that any reasonable development proposal would "get them on board". Their spurious and damaging soap box stands were/are nothing but myopic self interest. For the elected amongst them (Radice in particular) the use of every twist and turn of the legal process to thwart the democratic process exposes the crass opportunism that underlies her pseudo politics. I have never hoped more that these people now reap what they sow. As it seems Rovers are no longer dependent on the Sainsbury's deal going ahead, that day may come soon. How many locals other than these people did Rovers approach and form a committee with ? How out of our way did the club really go to listen to what people had to say and what their concerns were ? Once you draw battle Iines people get angry both sides and then it becomes a blinkered my way or no way. I guess it didn't help with rovers changing their minds so often over plans for the men...new north stand, new stadium and student accommodation ,supermarket....and now potentially something different again. We may now have an owner and board set up that can actually do things correctly and not p*** everybody off ! Personally I would take a look at what Ms Radice is interested in trying to improve/provide in the area unrelated to the mem and see if we can get involved........
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 7:36:47 GMT
I second building a gigantic migrant camp.
Its liberal left-wing dickheads who want them here, and by voting record around the Mem has a great deal of them.
Guess where all of our migrants are going? Officially, Middlesborough and north east England. Far, far away from their cosy, cosseted world where they will scream bigoted bile at working class Brits who are put out by yet more competition for jobs and housing.
I hope this whole episode with TRASH proves that while some political movements might come with cuddly people, promising free money and lots of big words like "sustainable" and "social responsibility" , in practice they despise the average joe every bit as much as any Tory and particularly don't have any time for white van men, or regular folks like us who like beer and football.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 4, 2016 8:03:27 GMT
With "locals" like Radice, Carstairs, Scrafton, Willingham, etc. there was no way that any reasonable development proposal would "get them on board". Their spurious and damaging soap box stands were/are nothing but myopic self interest. For the elected amongst them (Radice in particular) the use of every twist and turn of the legal process to thwart the democratic process exposes the crass opportunism that underlies her pseudo politics. I have never hoped more that these people now reap what they sow. As it seems Rovers are no longer dependent on the Sainsbury's deal going ahead, that day may come soon. How many locals other than these people did Rovers approach and form a committee with ? How out of our way did the club really go to listen to what people had to say and what their concerns were ? Once you draw battle Iines people get angry both sides and then it becomes a blinkered my way or no way. I guess it didn't help with rovers changing their minds so often over plans for the men...new north stand, new stadium and student accommodation ,supermarket....and now potentially something different again. We may now have an owner and board set up that can actually do things correctly and not p*** everybody off ! Personally I would take a look at what Ms Radice is interested in trying to improve/provide in the area unrelated to the mem and see if we can get involved........ If you'd walked up Alton Road several weeks before Rovers even came to Horfield, you'd know what a lot of locals thought about football and Rovers and you'd know how likely it was that we could cooperate with them. It's pretty obvious to me that a sizeble proportion of 'locals' will object to anything except their ideal project (did you see the risible proposal for a velodrome?). Not sure what it is about living in a city with other people with diverse needs and infrastructure they don't really get. Not sure why they think they get to drive to the supermarket near someone else, but they don't want people driving to a supermarket near them. Not sure why they get to go to various events around the city, but they don't want people coming to events near them. Not sure why they get to park outside other people's houses when they go somewhere, but they don't want people parking outside their house. The TRASH campaign was full of lies and truthbending. They had no respect for the actuality, they just wanted their own way in their little corner of the city. That's all they cared about. If that meant losing a local business 30m quid, then they didn't care, and yet they pretended they were sticking up for local businesses. They didn't see the football club as a local business in any meaningful way, they saw it as a collection of working class oiks and hooligans. Because they weren't interested in football, they considered it worthless. These people talk about local community and public spirit but they're only interested in a community that is exactly like them, and a spirit that is exactly like theirs.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 4, 2016 8:05:55 GMT
I second building a gigantic migrant camp. Its liberal left-wing dickheads who want them here, and by voting record around the Mem has a great deal of them. Guess where all of our migrants are going? Officially, Middlesborough and north east England. Far, far away from their cosy, cosseted world where they will scream bigoted bile at working class Brits who are put out by yet more competition for jobs and housing. I hope this whole episode with TRASH proves that while some political movements might come with cuddly people, promising free money and lots of big words like "sustainable" and "social responsibility" , in practice they despise the average joe every bit as much as any Tory and particularly don't have any time for white van men, or regular folks like us who like beer and football. Of course, otoh, with people like this idiot following Rovers you can see why people don't like football fans.
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Post by Langford Gas on Mar 4, 2016 8:31:45 GMT
Personally I think TRASH had their victory,their day came and now its gone, thankfully it would appear our future is not dependent on what they might think ,wish for or aspire to. We I feel can and should now behave with dignity and integrity and that for me makes them non entities who can stew in their own bile and that goes for the Teds too ! I for one won't look back at them as we go forward. The future for me is def Blue and White. TRASH ? TED's ? who
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 9:20:58 GMT
With "locals" like Radice, Carstairs, Scrafton, Willingham, etc. there was no way that any reasonable development proposal would "get them on board". Their spurious and damaging soap box stands were/are nothing but myopic self interest. For the elected amongst them (Radice in particular) the use of every twist and turn of the legal process to thwart the democratic process exposes the crass opportunism that underlies her pseudo politics. I have never hoped more that these people now reap what they sow. As it seems Rovers are no longer dependent on the Sainsbury's deal going ahead, that day may come soon. How many locals other than these people did Rovers approach and form a committee with ? How out of our way did the club really go to listen to what people had to say and what their concerns were ? Once you draw battle Iines people get angry both sides and then it becomes a blinkered my way or no way. I guess it didn't help with rovers changing their minds so often over plans for the men...new north stand, new stadium and student accommodation ,supermarket....and now potentially something different again. We may now have an owner and board set up that can actually do things correctly and not p*** everybody off ! Personally I would take a look at what Ms Radice is interested in trying to improve/provide in the area unrelated to the mem and see if we can get involved........This has got to be a joke.Personally I would send Balders round to beat her round the head with a vegetable (of her choice of course)that would be democratic.
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Post by lpgas on Mar 4, 2016 10:16:01 GMT
I think she just needs a good shag. Volunteers? Anyone? Come ON SOMEBODY!! How about you Nobby?
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Post by Captain Jayho on Mar 4, 2016 10:28:00 GMT
You don't understand the Bishopston Green ethos, then. Recycling centres are for other parts of the city where poor people live, see also, factories, supermarkets, and football stadiums. They can drive their 4x4s to those. The area where they live is to be set aside for expensive housing, allotments, and coffee shops. That's the best way to live in harmony with the environment. Remember, if you can't see it from your bedroom window, then it's not happening. In fairness what did a sainsburys supermarket offer to local people ? It's not as if Gloucester Rd isn't already full of shops and with large tescos at golden hill and eastgate its kind of not offering anything but more traffic . In an ideal world the site would be better used for a mixed site of flats and trade units giving space for new jobs ...or does everyone have to be a shop worker these days ? If the site was developed using more green technologies I think you would have found many more locals on board and perhaps even wanting the development. The thing is though this would not have raised the money needed to build a stadium under the old regime. So our greed and needs surpassed any desire to enhance the locality and get the locals onboard. As events played out having the locals against you doesn't work very well does it else rovers would already be running out at the uwe stadium.The siege mentality where everyone is against us works well in some situations in others it is a massive liability ,better to have friends and allies than enemies.....except of course that team in north Somerset Well likewise if you'd done a little more consultation with the dog walkers you'd be playing in a nice new stadium in Ashton Vale by now instead of fighting relegation in a building site. As it turns out the people of Ashton Vale didn't need another football stadium. What did it offer to them when they already had a football stadium in the local area? So your greed and needs surpassed any desire to enhance the locality and get the locals onboard.
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Post by curlywurly on Mar 4, 2016 10:28:45 GMT
With "locals" like Radice, Carstairs, Scrafton, Willingham, etc. there was no way that any reasonable development proposal would "get them on board". Their spurious and damaging soap box stands were/are nothing but myopic self interest. For the elected amongst them (Radice in particular) the use of every twist and turn of the legal process to thwart the democratic process exposes the crass opportunism that underlies her pseudo politics. I have never hoped more that these people now reap what they sow. As it seems Rovers are no longer dependent on the Sainsbury's deal going ahead, that day may come soon. How many locals other than these people did Rovers approach and form a committee with ? How out of our way did the club really go to listen to what people had to say and what their concerns were ? Once you draw battle Iines people get angry both sides and then it becomes a blinkered my way or no way. I guess it didn't help with rovers changing their minds so often over plans for the men...new north stand, new stadium and student accommodation ,supermarket....and now potentially something different again. We may now have an owner and board set up that can actually do things correctly and not p*** everybody off ! Personally I would take a look at what Ms Radice is interested in trying to improve/provide in the area unrelated to the mem and see if we can get involved........ On your first point, there was broad public consultation prior to final plans being submitted and as a result of that consultation, the plans were changed to incorporate the views of the community. Changes included more affordable housing, a community room and improvements to the memorial garden as well as some others that I'll look up if you wish. Remember the backdrop to this. ROSE vehemently opposed the proposed improvements to the Memorial Ground as a sporting venue. TRASH opposed the development of a Supermarket and then adopted the Carstairs view of the sanctity of the Memorial as a Sporting venue. I don't doubt that some involved believed in the cause, but the common support for the contradictory positions of both ROSE and TRASH and the ACV show that the main thrust of these organisations was simply to oppose anything that Rovers put forward. Do they represent the community? Not a majority in my view, but they were vociferous and organised - it is much easier to organise an opposition than a support for change. Rovers continuously engage with the community, quietly, effectively, but they can never convince a prominent minority of NIMBYs of any change. Hopefully, it won't matter to Rovers now. But working WITH Radice? You've got to be kidding.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 4, 2016 10:34:11 GMT
I think she just needs a good shag. Volunteers? Anyone? Come ON SOMEBODY!! How about you Nobby? I have this rattling around inside my head....... Somebody slips into the lady from behind, then leans forward, and after a few butterfly kisses to her neck, instead of whispering the infamous Kris Akabusi "awooga" in her ear, he starts to gently sing......'Irene Goodnight Irene................." Oh, and I never volunteer........I have to be voluntold ! Behave yourselves. Let's not prove her negative stereotyping of us. She is a selfish opportunist who only uses the democratic process when it suits her and doesn't care about all local businesses but let's keep the personal stuff off here please.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 10:35:53 GMT
I have this rattling around inside my head....... Somebody slips into the lady from behind, then leans forward, and after a few butterfly kisses to her neck, instead of whispering the infamous Kris Akabusi "awooga" in her ear, he starts to gently sing......'Irene Goodnight Irene................." Oh, and I never volunteer........I have to be voluntold ! Behave yourselves. Let's not prove her negative stereotyping of us. She is a selfish opportunist who only uses the democratic process when it suits her and doesn't care about all local businesses but let's keep the personal stuff off here please. Apologies Hugo, I have deleted it...................awooga !
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Post by youmadethatup on Mar 4, 2016 13:00:19 GMT
How many locals other than these people did Rovers approach and form a committee with ? How out of our way did the club really go to listen to what people had to say and what their concerns were ? Once you draw battle Iines people get angry both sides and then it becomes a blinkered my way or no way. I guess it didn't help with rovers changing their minds so often over plans for the men...new north stand, new stadium and student accommodation ,supermarket....and now potentially something different again. We may now have an owner and board set up that can actually do things correctly and not p*** everybody off ! Personally I would take a look at what Ms Radice is interested in trying to improve/provide in the area unrelated to the mem and see if we can get involved........ On your first point, there was broad public consultation prior to final plans being submitted and as a result of that consultation, the plans were changed to incorporate the views of the community. Changes included more affordable housing, a community room and improvements to the memorial garden as well as some others that I'll look up if you wish. Remember the backdrop to this. ROSE vehemently opposed the proposed improvements to the Memorial Ground as a sporting venue. TRASH opposed the development of a Supermarket and then adopted the Carstairs view of the sanctity of the Memorial as a Sporting venue. I don't doubt that some involved believed in the cause, but the common support for the contradictory positions of both ROSE and TRASH and the ACV show that the main thrust of these organisations was simply to oppose anything that Rovers put forward. Do they represent the community? Not a majority in my view, but they were vociferous and organised - it is much easier to organise an opposition than a support for change. Rovers continuously engage with the community, quietly, effectively, but they can never convince a prominent minority of NIMBYs of any change. Hopefully, it won't matter to Rovers now. But working WITH Radice? You've got to be kidding. So if Rovers had been more proactive and created a public voice for those in favour of the various stadium projects ,ensuring they got very good media coverage it may have made the opponent's look like the minority you suggest they were. My own opinion is that since putting a roof on the clubhouse terrace and getting in the 'temporary stand' (haha...how long does the word temporary cover !) At the south end of the ground ,everything else stadium related has been not far off of a shambles. But that is the past, a clean sheet now with the new boys and I'm optimistic they will achieve things to take the club into a more respectable position on and off the pitch.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 4, 2016 13:23:15 GMT
I think she just needs a good shag. Volunteers? Anyone? Come ON SOMEBODY!! How about you Nobby? The only shag nobby can deal with is the stuff they put in a pipe
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 16:40:16 GMT
I second building a gigantic migrant camp. Its liberal left-wing dickheads who want them here, and by voting record around the Mem has a great deal of them. Guess where all of our migrants are going? Officially, Middlesborough and north east England. Far, far away from their cosy, cosseted world where they will scream bigoted bile at working class Brits who are put out by yet more competition for jobs and housing. I hope this whole episode with TRASH proves that while some political movements might come with cuddly people, promising free money and lots of big words like "sustainable" and "social responsibility" , in practice they despise the average joe every bit as much as any Tory and particularly don't have any time for white van men, or regular folks like us who like beer and football. Of course, otoh, with people like this idiot following Rovers you can see why people don't like football fans. [ Is that a strawman or a confirmation bias?
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