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Post by gasincider on Mar 3, 2016 0:49:28 GMT
That is what UWE have over us Chippenham gas, but South Gloucs want the stadium to ensure millions of pounds of infrastructure projects go ahead. That is what we have over the UWE.
It's now a case of who blinks first. One advantage of having money is that it opens all sorts of doors that were closed to NH. And UWE know that.
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Post by Quartermaster on Mar 3, 2016 6:02:11 GMT
That is what UWE have over us Chippenham gas, but South Gloucs want the stadium to ensure millions of pounds of infrastructure projects go ahead. That is what we have over the UWE. It's now a case of who blinks first. One advantage of having money is that it opens all sorts of doors that were closed to NH. And UWE know that. And also, even though it's not something UWE "have over us" as such, we're now a much more attractive business partner. Surely the new BRFC is a much more desirable business to have as part of your development than the old one as we are more sustainable and more likely to flourish there than we were before. I really hope the site isn't rejected at this late stage, from a fans point of view (at least from the view of an out-of-town fan like me) UWE is perfect. I hope Wael can make it the perfect business deal too... EDIT: which is pretty much what gasincider said! Too early for me to read everything properly!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 6:45:27 GMT
I feel that too many of us are stuck in the mindset of "nothing good happening to Rovers". I am not suprised either. False dawn after false dawn, Boycie and the boys smiling down from box 1, Tonys baffling accounting procedures etc.
There is little chance this group have chosen us and assembled to waste money on a failed project. I am completely confident that any negativity between the BOSS and a punter in the bar is pure protection of information. The interviews reveal that this has been happening since way before Xmas. The UWE will have been investigated fully and I am sure there are plans B, C and D in place. These guys do not resemble our previous BOD one iota.
It's going to happen. I am certain. Building problems in Bristol and the cost of Wembley are irrelevant...I actually think these elements will have been discussed and satisfied.
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Post by Strange Gas on Mar 3, 2016 7:31:35 GMT
Wembley trebled in cost and was 4 years late from memory. Even had to play an extra FA cup final in Wales I believe. Just saying, but no doubt that was nothing to do with Atkins / Cunny
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Post by lulworthgas on Mar 3, 2016 7:58:13 GMT
I feel that too many of us are stuck in the mindset of "nothing good happening to Rovers". I am not suprised either. False dawn after false dawn, Boycie and the boys smiling down from box 1, Tonys baffling accounting procedures etc. There is little chance this group have chosen us and assembled to waste money on a failed project. I am completely confident that any negativity between the BOSS and a punter in the bar is pure protection of information. The interviews reveal that this has been happening since way before Xmas. The UWE will have been investigated fully and I am sure there are plans B, C and D in place. These guys do not resemble our previous BOD one iota. It's going to happen. I am certain. Building problems in Bristol and the cost of Wembley are irrelevant...I actually think these elements will have been discussed and satisfied. Correct, Tuesday wasn't the first day any of our new board have spoken to the uwe, lee Atkins just said they also spoke that morning. His job is to oversee the ground acquisition, stating that current arrangements are historic from the old board and tied to sainsburys. They want time to have a "quick look" to see what can be enhanced to get the best for the club and uwe. Trying to make the move unconditional of court case Enabling project for the wider community World class, multi use stadium Cunnah bringing experience from Wembley to Identify commercial use for the stadium He has experience of securing finance and investment from wembley project. Don't want to make changes during the build as it is fixed cost. All sounds sensible and they certainly bring a wealth of knowledge to the uwe build. As for Wembley and the overspend, that was due to the builders multiplex. The FA had a fixed price contract. Shrewd business in my eyes. Must have saved them a fortune.
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Post by gheadray on Mar 3, 2016 8:00:15 GMT
But what everyone needs to remember is that we are not building a Wembley
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Post by lulworthgas on Mar 3, 2016 8:20:14 GMT
Wembley trebled in cost and was 4 years late from memory. Even had to play an extra FA cup final in Wales I believe. Just saying, but no doubt that was nothing to do with Atkins / Cunny Completely different. The fa didn't even own the old Wembley so had to buy that first, then the extra land etc. Then the plans changed. The main point is that The actual construction was done at fixed price. The extra cost wasn't put on to the FA. It was all down to the builder. Multiplex didn't like it, tried to get more money and had their fingers burnt. They then went after their sub contractors through the courts to try and get some of the costs back. It could be argued that cunnah protected the fa from these costs. Are we sure Toby and Nick would have had a water tight contract in place to protect us from any hidden or rising costs? The legal fees alone for Wembley could build 3 uwe stadiums.
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Post by gasincider on Mar 3, 2016 8:34:20 GMT
And also, even though it's not something UWE "have over us" as such, we're now a much more attractive business partner. Surely the new BRFC is a much more desirable business to have as part of your development than the old one as we are more sustainable and more likely to flourish there than we were before. I really hope the site isn't rejected at this late stage, from a fans point of view (at least from the view of an out-of-town fan like me) UWE is perfect. I hope Wael can make it the perfect business deal too... EDIT: which is pretty much what gasincider said! Too early for me to read everything properly! We are not more sustainable unless we can run at a profit. That is only possible if we retain the income streams OUR stadium generates. If you think about income streams:- What about advertising at the stadium? What about car parking on match days? What about income from concerts? The list is endless. I don't know if these are issues, but if we don't get the income from these(remember It's The Club building the stadium at no cost to UWE), then for the first time I would say the UWE is no longer viable. We cannot and must never be held to ransom by the UWE.
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Post by Strange Gas on Mar 3, 2016 8:36:50 GMT
There are similarities in my view. Land / ownership issues you describe for example? Lesson of Wembley and other difficult big projects seems to be too many people involved / complexity. So hopefully with funding sorted and decoupling from sainsburys, we can keep it simple with UWE and contractors. Getting that ironed out with UWE has to be a critical step and the lack of agreement with Higgs is no doubt something new team are looking to sort. FWIW I think they are doing right thing by ironing this stuff out before they send in the diggers and a willingness to walk if that proves difficult helps redress the balance of relationship / power. We were so beholden to others before it was scary, hence Higgs desperation
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 3, 2016 8:37:27 GMT
I feel that too many of us are stuck in the mindset of "nothing good happening to Rovers". I am not suprised either. False dawn after false dawn, Boycie and the boys smiling down from box 1, Tonys baffling accounting procedures etc. There is little chance this group have chosen us and assembled to waste money on a failed project. I am completely confident that any negativity between the BOSS and a punter in the bar is pure protection of information. The interviews reveal that this has been happening since way before Xmas. The UWE will have been investigated fully and I am sure there are plans B, C and D in place. These guys do not resemble our previous BOD one iota. It's going to happen. I am certain. Building problems in Bristol and the cost of Wembley are irrelevant...I actually think these elements will have been discussed and satisfied. Correct, Tuesday wasn't the first day any of our new board have spoken to the uwe, lee Atkins just said they also spoke that morning. His job is to oversee the ground acquisition, stating that current arrangements are historic from the old board and tied to sainsburys. They want time to have a "quick look" to see what can be enhanced to get the best for the club and uwe. Trying to make the move unconditional of court case Enabling project for the wider community World class, multi use stadium Cunnah bringing experience from Wembley to Identify commercial use for the stadium He has experience of securing finance and investment from wembley project. Don't want to make changes during the build as it is fixed cost. All sounds sensible and they certainly bring a wealth of knowledge to the uwe build. As for Wembley and the overspend, that was due to the builders multiplex. The FA had a fixed price contract. Shrewd business in my eyes. Must have saved them a fortune. Given what Gasincider has suggested above I'm not sure we can be certain of that as, if they have, why weren't they aware of the serious problem that has now croped up? Is it the naming rights, the lack of a contract?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 3, 2016 8:37:54 GMT
Wembley trebled in cost and was 4 years late from memory. Even had to play an extra FA cup final in Wales I believe. Just saying, but no doubt that was nothing to do with Atkins / Cunny ...and all to do with Multiplex the builder fcuked up
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 3, 2016 8:42:52 GMT
Correct, Tuesday wasn't the first day any of our new board have spoken to the uwe, lee Atkins just said they also spoke that morning. Given what Gasincider has suggested above I'm not sure we can be certain of that as, if they have, why weren't they aware of the serious problem that has now croped up? Is it the naming rights, the lack of a contract? They said they had talked to UWE several times before they bought the club. In any case they have always said that they need to negotiate a few things with UWE before the stadium can be built. I don't see Gasincider's info as anything new, merely a change of emphasis, ie they were chatting to a fan at the game, rather than addressing a press conference.
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Post by wrongsideoftheriver on Mar 3, 2016 8:45:52 GMT
Wembley may have been over budget and time but I don't think anyone can argue with the fact that's its a world class stadium with multiple benefits to the UK. Any one who has that on there a CV is definitely good enough to be at rovers.
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Post by Congas on Mar 3, 2016 8:58:05 GMT
They have to sort the catering though. Wembley is still only half full when second halves kick off.
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Post by daniel300380 on Mar 3, 2016 10:01:00 GMT
They have to sort the catering though. Wembley is still only half full when second halves kick off. If people would prefer to eat or drink instead of watching the game, that's up to them. You can only serve so many people in 15 minutes.
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Post by Congas on Mar 3, 2016 10:15:48 GMT
That's what I'm saying, they haven't got the capacity. I stood in the queue in 2007 and gave up when the 2nd half was due to kick off. I guess it's the modern age of burgers, latte and Oz lager. Never used to bother with halftime refreshments in the old days.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 10:19:50 GMT
That's what I'm saying, they haven't got the capacity. I stood in the queue in 2007 and gave up when the 2nd half was due to kick off. I guess it's the modern age of burgers, latte and Oz lager. Never used to bother with halftime refreshments in the old days. There are ways of speeding things up. Here at the Eintracht, fans can get plastic cards that are dished out by people/servers (whatever you want to call them) on the concourse. You put say ten quid on your card, then when you buy food/drinks etc, you just swipe the card across a reader, and the amount is taken off your card. It does save a lot of time with people handing over money, then waiting to get their change.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 10:25:04 GMT
And also, even though it's not something UWE "have over us" as such, we're now a much more attractive business partner. Surely the new BRFC is a much more desirable business to have as part of your development than the old one as we are more sustainable and more likely to flourish there than we were before. I really hope the site isn't rejected at this late stage, from a fans point of view (at least from the view of an out-of-town fan like me) UWE is perfect. I hope Wael can make it the perfect business deal too... EDIT: which is pretty much what gasincider said! Too early for me to read everything properly! We are not more sustainable unless we can run at a profit. That is only possible if we retain the income streams OUR stadium generates. If you think about income streams:- What about advertising at the stadium? What about car parking on match days? What about income from concerts? The list is endless. I don't know if these are issues, but if we don't get the income from these(remember It's The Club building the stadium at no cost to UWE), then for the first time I would say the UWE is no longer viable. We cannot and must never be held to ransom by the UWE. You are of course forgetting non-matchday revenue, which is a huge part of the UWE. The likes of the Liberty etc. are used all the time for various events, I imagine the UWE would be even more popular given location.
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Post by jungleboogie on Mar 3, 2016 10:31:53 GMT
They have to sort the catering though. Wembley is still only half full when second halves kick off. That's because you have to queue up twice for everything!!! Last May, Hot dog and chips please. You can get the hot dog here, but you'll need to walk down the concourse another 50yrds to that outlet over there to get your chips.........WHAT?
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Post by knowall on Mar 3, 2016 10:51:40 GMT
They have to sort the catering though. Wembley is still only half full when second halves kick off. That's because you have to queue up twice for everything!!! Last May, Hot dog and chips please. You can get the hot dog here, but you'll need to walk down the concourse another 50yrds to that outlet over there to get your chips.........WHAT? Suly you arrive early and eat before - or leave late and eat after - who on earth wants to eat food in a fifteen minute break?
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