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Post by buckrippers on Mar 10, 2016 18:38:21 GMT
Not certain I agree that he was completely blameless for relegation. I honestly believe that, disregarding everything else, if Ward had needed a point to keep us in the division we probably would have got it, and I'm not convinced it would even have come to that had he stayed. All of that said, the relegation season was probably about 5% DC's fault in my opinion, and without question he has now redeemed himself ten times over, given the change in this football club over two seasons. Certainly by Christmas last season he had me convinced; clearly made up for relegation, without question. 100 percent with you on this one Bill. I think he tried to implement new ideas a bit too quickly, but over time it has been proved his ideas are innovative and right. We've all moaned from time to time about his tinkering and formation changes but he tends to get it right more than he gets it wrong. I'm sure Ward would have got us the points to stay up, but it would have stalled our development in the long run with directors putting their fingers in their ears, going "la la la" and failing to hear the shouts for change |
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Post by inee on Mar 10, 2016 18:38:57 GMT
there should be another option Wtf he aint done nothing wrong
Personally i feel that we had the correct manager in place at the time, we needed to get relegated, he built a bloody good side got rid of the lets go to rovers to get loads of wages for 3 years culture among players and is doing a damn fine job, as i've said before this season i felt was just about surviving in the division and building a stronger side but so far he's on a roll. for me anything above relegation this season is a good one anything above the bottom six is a fookin major achievement
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Post by Okebournegas on Mar 10, 2016 18:40:42 GMT
I'm another who has never blamed DC for relegation. I think he was set up to be the fall guy when John ward decided to " go upstairs " . In my opinion John ward acted cowardly and should of stuck with the sinking ship instead of feeding DC to the wolves! By the way I have the upmost respect for John ward as he always had time to talk and was a genuinely nice guy but I don't agree with the way he left things.
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Post by inee on Mar 10, 2016 18:46:13 GMT
I'm another who has never blamed DC for relegation. I think he was set up to be the fall guy when John ward decided to " go upstairs " . In my opinion John ward acted cowardly and should of stuck with the sinking ship instead of feeding DC to the wolves! By the way I have the upmost respect for John ward as he always had time to talk and was a genuinely nice guy but I don't agree with the way he left things. Hold up a sec, as i remember it wardy's wife was ill and jw wanted out to look after her ,and higgs talked him into staying by letting dc take over. i may be a bit wrong but im sure thats what happened then people decided it was dc's fault |
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Post by Okebournegas on Mar 10, 2016 18:56:34 GMT
Without trying to sound controversial and I mean no offence, how can there be posts saying JW may of kept us up? I totally respect opinions but disagree 100%. JW failed miserably in pre season to add to our squad in vital areas, First game of the season at Exeter we couldn't fill the bench, negative formations no matter who we faced , a string of terrible loan signings , Gillespie , bond , Beardsley , Mohammed and then playing them out of position ( bond playing out on the left wing ! ) letting Richards go to Exeter in a swap deal for the injury prone gow. Then like I mentioned previously I think he knew he was out of his depth and didn't want to be the man that was in charge at the time of rovers worst time in history so decided to slope off and let someone else take the flack. Again I'm not a hater of JW but he and the players and the incompetences of the board were to blame not DC
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 10, 2016 18:56:51 GMT
Surely NH has to take the lion share of the blame, particularly if Ward offered to quit earlier but was persuaded to stay on, then he replaced JW with a rookie manager and expected him to keep us up. As far as DC I'd concerned, I wonder if we put the more experienced DC in charge now of the same team he would keep us up? I agree but I'm almost certain that after our poor start in the Conference there were some on the board that wanted to consider DCs future. The rumour I heard at the time was that it was only Higgs belief in DC that was keeping him at the club. NH stuck by DC and should be acknowledged as having done so. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 10, 2016 19:01:21 GMT
Without trying to sound controversial and I mean no offence, how can there be posts saying JW may of kept us up? I totally respect opinions but disagree 100%. JW failed miserably in pre season to add to our squad in vital areas, First game of the season at Exeter we couldn't fill the bench, negative formations no matter who we faced , a string of terrible loan signings , Gillespie , bond , Beardsley , Mohammed and then playing them out of position ( bond playing out on the left wing ! ) letting Richards go to Exeter in a swap deal for the injury prone gow. Then like I mentioned previously I think he knew he was out of his depth and didn't want to be the man that was in charge at the time of rovers worst time in history so decided to slope off and let someone else take the flack. Again I'm not a hater of JW but he and the players and the incompetences of the board were to blame not DC I think JW would have kept us up. IMO where DC went wrong was in trying to do his own thing too soon and too late. I think he'd been incredibly frustrated all season being no2 and went at the job like a dervish due to nievity and over enthusiasm. We would have benefited from a steadier hand in the last handful of games. All this is easy to say with no proof and the benefit of hindsight. Truth is we will never know if JW would have kept us up, but we do know DC didn't. |
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Post by Strange Gas on Mar 10, 2016 19:04:33 GMT
DC is the best manager we have had since I started watching the Gas in 1969. (even better than Gerry mark 1) As others have already said relegation was not down to him so nothing to forgive We were debating whether he was better than Gerry Mk 1 the other day, concluded not quite yet given level. But its a close call from perspective of what he has turned around. Without question best since then by a large margin esp given his constraints vs LL/Trolls for example |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 19:05:57 GMT
The person I blame for our relegation is Newton Abbot Gas,for his poor use of the kettle that season.
Seriously DC has proved himself to be a good manager and has also proved the doubters wrong,including myself at times.
It's a horrible thought him not being manager now,for me anyway
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Post by Bill Bones on Mar 10, 2016 19:07:38 GMT
Without trying to sound controversial and I mean no offence, how can there be posts saying JW may of kept us up? I totally respect opinions but disagree 100%. JW failed miserably in pre season to add to our squad in vital areas, First game of the season at Exeter we couldn't fill the bench, negative formations no matter who we faced , a string of terrible loan signings , Gillespie , bond , Beardsley , Mohammed and then playing them out of position ( bond playing out on the left wing ! ) letting Richards go to Exeter in a swap deal for the injury prone gow. Then like I mentioned previously I think he knew he was out of his depth and didn't want to be the man that was in charge at the time of rovers worst time in history so decided to slope off and let someone else take the flack. Again I'm not a hater of JW but he and the players and the incompetences of the board were to blame not DC Mohamed wasn't that bad. I just feel that Ward would have got us over the line. Would it have been an exciting point? Of course not, but he would have ground out a boring 0-0, or a dreadful 1-1 where our goal was an own goal, or a scrappy 1-0 from a penalty. But he would have done it, and that coming from someone who absolutely hated that side. Journeymen and borderline geriatrics and a ridiculous lack of pace, and I bloody HATED Beardsley. But I still think he would have done it, people seem to forget it was literally the one point in it. That said if I could go back and change it I wouldn't; it all turned out for the best thank God and that one step backwards has lead to us taking great strides forward even before the takeover in my opinion. |
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Post by Big Jock on Mar 10, 2016 19:18:23 GMT
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Post by kylegas on Mar 10, 2016 19:19:16 GMT
Can you add "it wasn't DC's fault in the first place" This would get my vote |
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Post by Russgas on Mar 10, 2016 19:20:05 GMT
Can you add "it wasn't DC's fault in the first place" This would get my vote Me too. |
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Post by You can call me Al. on Mar 10, 2016 19:28:19 GMT
Thats because it wasn't any one persons fault we sodding went down. We got relegated as a failing club as a whole, and everyone should shoulder some of the bloody blame.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Mar 10, 2016 19:30:46 GMT
I don't agree that JW would have kept us up.
DC got us 7 points in them 8 games, winning two including over Wycombe. JW may have got us a draw on the final day, but on the final day with him in charge that wouldn't have been enough.
That Wycombe win was the first away win that season since November 2nd.
Regardless, that's the past. I believe we needed to go down in order to come back stronger.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 10, 2016 19:44:23 GMT
I'm another who has never blamed DC for relegation. I think he was set up to be the fall guy when John ward decided to " go upstairs " . In my opinion John ward acted cowardly and should of stuck with the sinking ship instead of feeding DC to the wolves! By the way I have the upmost respect for John ward as he always had time to talk and was a genuinely nice guy but I don't agree with the way he left things. This prompted me to remember something actually. I understand John Ward wanted to step down way before the board let him owing I believe to a personal matter. So maybe the board are at fault in part. Still, as I said in a previous post somewhere, the football we played was so utterly sh**e we deserved relegation on the back of that alone. |
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Post by Raj Gas on Mar 10, 2016 19:49:07 GMT
I don't always understand DC's changing of tactics/formation but he gets my respect for his work ethic and desire to bring the good times back to Rovers.
I have supported Rovers since 1971 and have seen many Managers appointed, very often the obvious choice, very often the "big name" but with DC I sensed something diferent and so far he has proved to be a great choice.
I really hope he stays around because we will continue to do well under him I am sure and I don't want him going to "Higher League " clubs!!
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Post by Okebournegas on Mar 10, 2016 19:53:05 GMT
Without trying to sound controversial and I mean no offence, how can there be posts saying JW may of kept us up? I totally respect opinions but disagree 100%. JW failed miserably in pre season to add to our squad in vital areas, First game of the season at Exeter we couldn't fill the bench, negative formations no matter who we faced , a string of terrible loan signings , Gillespie , bond , Beardsley , Mohammed and then playing them out of position ( bond playing out on the left wing ! ) letting Richards go to Exeter in a swap deal for the injury prone gow. Then like I mentioned previously I think he knew he was out of his depth and didn't want to be the man that was in charge at the time of rovers worst time in history so decided to slope off and let someone else take the flack. Again I'm not a hater of JW but he and the players and the incompetences of the board were to blame not DC Mohamed wasn't that bad. I just feel that Ward would have got us over the line. Would it have been an exciting point? Of course not, but he would have ground out a boring 0-0, or a dreadful 1-1 where our goal was an own goal, or a scrappy 1-0 from a penalty. But he would have done it, and that coming from someone who absolutely hated that side. Journeymen and borderline geriatrics and a ridiculous lack of pace, and I bloody HATED Beardsley. But I still think he would have done it, people seem to forget it was literally the one point in it. That said if I could go back and change it I wouldn't; it all turned out for the best thank God and that one step backwards has lead to us taking great strides forward even before the takeover in my opinion. Yeah you have a point in regards to Mohammed he wasn't as bad as the others. I do however totally agree with not going back and changing a thing as it stands now ! |
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Post by Okebournegas on Mar 10, 2016 19:58:11 GMT
Without trying to sound controversial and I mean no offence, how can there be posts saying JW may of kept us up? I totally respect opinions but disagree 100%. JW failed miserably in pre season to add to our squad in vital areas, First game of the season at Exeter we couldn't fill the bench, negative formations no matter who we faced , a string of terrible loan signings , Gillespie , bond , Beardsley , Mohammed and then playing them out of position ( bond playing out on the left wing ! ) letting Richards go to Exeter in a swap deal for the injury prone gow. Then like I mentioned previously I think he knew he was out of his depth and didn't want to be the man that was in charge at the time of rovers worst time in history so decided to slope off and let someone else take the flack. Again I'm not a hater of JW but he and the players and the incompetences of the board were to blame not DC I think JW would have kept us up. IMO where DC went wrong was in trying to do his own thing too soon and too late. I think he'd been incredibly frustrated all season being no2 and went at the job like a dervish due to nievity and over enthusiasm. We would have benefited from a steadier hand in the last handful of games. All this is easy to say with no proof and the benefit of hindsight. Truth is we will never know if JW would have kept us up, but we do know DC didn't. You raise some good points Hugo I'll give you that! I just think DC had to go all out like someone else mentioned I don't think we would of won at Wycombe under ward as he was too negative in his approach , but I can see where you are coming from in regards to herringbone point we needed on the last day. But hey what's done is done and so far it's been a bloody good ride !!!!! |
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Post by Okebournegas on Mar 10, 2016 20:01:33 GMT
I think JW would have kept us up. IMO where DC went wrong was in trying to do his own thing too soon and too late. I think he'd been incredibly frustrated all season being no2 and went at the job like a dervish due to nievity and over enthusiasm. We would have benefited from a steadier hand in the last handful of games. All this is easy to say with no proof and the benefit of hindsight. Truth is we will never know if JW would have kept us up, but we do know DC didn't. You raise some good points Hugo I'll give you that! I just think DC had to go all out like someone else mentioned I don't think we would of won at Wycombe under ward as he was too negative in his approach , but I can see where you are coming from in regards to herringbone point we needed on the last day. But hey what's done is done and so far it's been a bloody good ride !!!!! I don't know where the hell herringbone came from by the way !!! It was supposed to say " in regards to the point " anyway on another note does anyone know what herringbone means? It must of been predictive text. |
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