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Post by Okebournegas on Mar 11, 2016 0:51:57 GMT
I've got no reason to disbelieve you. I have only been going down the mem as a season ticket holder for the last three years so that's just before my time. Im just surprised at how fickle some fans are if comments like that were made. To be fair he took us from rock bottom to being very close to a play off place in half a season which was bloody good going and a very good achievement. Unfortunately all the good he did that season was undone in the following disastrous season. It's easy to say fans are fickle and I agree we can be but on the other hand things change quickly in football sometimes. One minute I was singing "John Wards Barmy army " as he dragged us off the bottom of the league and up to within a few points of the play offs and a year later I was shaking my head not believing what I was seeing as we fell lower than ever before. If that makes me fickle then yeah I am but when times are good you enjoy it you don't hold it in because your scared that maybe things will go wrong down the line and you'll be proven wrong. UTG Perhaps fickle was a bit harsh, wishful thinking perhaps? I know what you mean though, stop being so fickle ! Lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 0:53:24 GMT
I blame boner.. should off been called off cause of the weather..
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Post by Okebournegas on Mar 11, 2016 0:57:12 GMT
I blame boner.. should off been called off cause of the weather.. It was a hot sunny day I hope they were wearing sun tan lotion
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 11, 2016 5:59:42 GMT
Who is the red who voted no never p**s off south of the river we don't want you here That will be tBone.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Mar 11, 2016 7:31:44 GMT
DC is the best manager we have had since I started watching the Gas in 1969. (even better than Gerry mark 1) As others have already said relegation was not down to him so nothing to forgive We were debating whether he was better than Gerry Mk 1 the other day, concluded not quite yet given level. But its a close call from perspective of what he has turned around. Without question best since then by a large margin esp given his constraints vs LL/Trolls for example I respect your view but Gerry had a far better squad of players several of which went on to play in the top flight - Ollie, Bruno, Yates, Penrice, Bailey, and of course Nigel Martin (also England). It was also an era where players did not get paid so much (in relative terms) so it was easier to meet player wage demands. Dc has done it with a squad of players that are nowhere near the standard of Gerry's - probably only Lockyer will make it in the Prem. Both have created good spirit but I feel DC is the better man manager (listened to Kenny Hibbitt's comments on Gerry last week) and is more tactically capable - Gerry had one system and stuck with it in every game in both divisions, DC treats every game as a different project and adapts tactics and formations to suit
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 11, 2016 9:20:54 GMT
What ! People said JW was one of our best managers for missing out on a playoff place? They most certainly did, until we were battered 4-0 at Bradford and playoff dreams disappeared. Since the OF no longer exists, I can't prove it, so you'll just have to believe me. You are correct, I remember it as well. UTG!
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Post by Nortongashead on Mar 11, 2016 9:43:34 GMT
I forgave DC when when he ran to the fans rather than the players when Manse scored the pen. IMO it wasnt DC that got us relegated but a hole host of reasons mostly poor management. He was our assistant manager for that season so for me was slightly guilty by association. He had rotten luck in the 8 games he was in charge ie Smith and Woodards injured and Pompey Rochdale games so close together.
Nowadays we got our club back on and off the pitch. DC is the best manager since Gerry Francis for one reason. He gave us our club back. The bloke has gone to hell and back with us and still strives for much better than we got now.
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Post by nailseamark on Mar 11, 2016 9:51:08 GMT
When Ward took over we were all loving it. He gaves speaches about bringing rovers back and it felt the right move at the time. When Ward took over and we went on that unbeaten run alot of the time we were increadibly lucky. Also the squad was paper thin and we didnt have a striker banging the goals in, it was bound to turn sour. We were playing a mixture of journeyman and completely inexperienced youngsters who were noway near ready. The club was rotten to the core and the poisonous atmosphere was all over the terraces, this relagtion had been coming.
There is no way ward would of kept us up. DC got more points than he could of and even won a couple. Ward refusdd to loan any players and instead played some of the worst footballers ive ever seen. For me i wouldnt blame DC for relagtion not even 1%, it was all down to the board for nkt getting rid of old man ward sooner.
Also i thought Mohammed was good and his goals almost kept us up. If we had scored against mansfield he would be a cult hero.
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Post by Okebournegas on Mar 11, 2016 10:33:29 GMT
When Ward took over we were all loving it. He gaves speaches about bringing rovers back and it felt the right move at the time. When Ward took over and we went on that unbeaten run alot of the time we were increadibly lucky. Also the squad was paper thin and we didnt have a striker banging the goals in, it was bound to turn sour. We were playing a mixture of journeyman and completely inexperienced youngsters who were noway near ready. The club was rotten to the core and the poisonous atmosphere was all over the terraces, this relagtion had been coming. There is no way ward would of kept us up. DC got more points than he could of and even won a couple. Ward refusdd to loan any players and instead played some of the worst footballers ive ever seen. For me i wouldnt blame DC for relagtion not even 1%, it was all down to the board for nkt getting rid of old man ward sooner. Also i thought Mohammed was good and his goals almost kept us up. If we had scored against mansfield he would be a cult hero. I agree with everything you say but slightly disagree in regards to Mohammed , don't get me wrong he had pace and scored a couple of important goals but he went missing for long periods and and contributed little at times ( same for the rest of the team) cult hero ? Not in my opinion I think you are being extremely generous. Good post though !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 12:29:24 GMT
I'm another who has never blamed DC for relegation. I think he was set up to be the fall guy when John ward decided to " go upstairs " . In my opinion John ward acted cowardly and should of stuck with the sinking ship instead of feeding DC to the wolves! By the way I have the upmost respect for John ward as he always had time to talk and was a genuinely nice guy but I don't agree with the way he left things. John Ward didn't walk he was pushed,that from the man himself,he wanted to stay in charge to see us safe but others thought we were safe and acted accordingly
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Post by Okebournegas on Mar 11, 2016 14:06:40 GMT
I'm another who has never blamed DC for relegation. I think he was set up to be the fall guy when John ward decided to " go upstairs " . In my opinion John ward acted cowardly and should of stuck with the sinking ship instead of feeding DC to the wolves! By the way I have the upmost respect for John ward as he always had time to talk and was a genuinely nice guy but I don't agree with the way he left things. John Ward didn't walk he was pushed,that from the man himself,he wanted to stay in charge to see us safe but others thought we were safe and acted accordingly As I am not privvy to that sort of info I will have to take your word for it as I am not in he know, do you know why he was pushed ?
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 11, 2016 14:15:16 GMT
DC is the best manager we have had since I started watching the Gas in 1969. (even better than Gerry mark 1) As others have already said relegation was not down to him so nothing to forgive Surely he needs a league promotion under his belt before he can be considered better than Francis MK1, Megson & even PT/LL, the first two also got us pormoted to what is now the Championship. Francis' team having a brilliant season topped by winning promotion by beating the 82'ers and Megson's team having a long unbeaten run plus the Brighton/Clough hammering. At the moment I'd personnally place him joint 3rd with PT/LL.
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Post by Okebournegas on Mar 11, 2016 14:20:11 GMT
John Ward didn't walk he was pushed,that from the man himself,he wanted to stay in charge to see us safe but others thought we were safe and acted accordingly As I am not privvy to that sort of info I will have to take your word for it as I am not in he know, do you know why he was pushed ? Also , again without sounding churlish Surley ward would have said that so that he's not held accountable in the eyes of the fans? I'm just glad that nightmare is now behind us , onwards and upwards ! UTG !
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Post by lympstonegas on Mar 11, 2016 15:16:46 GMT
Well I remember there were more than 5 people on here that said after the Wembley win they couldn't celebrate because we had nothing to celebrate as we shouldn't have been in the conference in the first place and DC was now going to get found out as he did when he took over from Ward. I wonder how they feel now especially as we are currently in a play off position have a new board and KS is back ?
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Post by therovers on Mar 11, 2016 20:05:02 GMT
Yes he's already more than made up for it imo, especially as it wasn't his fault anyway!
BUT I don't like how he's mentioned on more than one occasion now (including in his latest interview) about how he'd like to manage further up but has ''Unfinished business here first''... Does this mean he doesn't think he can manage higher up with us?
I would've liked to think that especially now with the take over, he'd be thinking/saying he wants to be the one to take the Gas up the leagues??
UTG
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Post by socrates on Mar 11, 2016 21:17:19 GMT
Yes he's already more than made up for it imo, especially as it wasn't his fault anyway! BUT I don't like how he's mentioned on more than one occasion now (including in his latest interview) about how he'd like to manage further up but has ''Unfinished business here first''... Does this mean he doesn't think he can manage higher up with us? I would've liked to think that especially now with the take over, he'd be thinking/say He's said many times before that he's not going anywhere until we're in at least league 1 because thats where the club should be. That was before so he might see it differently now after the takeover , perhaps for the better perhaps for the worse.
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Post by gaseous on Mar 11, 2016 22:32:32 GMT
It would get mine too. It never was his fault, we were already down long before, we just never knew it. We flirted with relegation for many seasons and that was our season for it to happen. It certainly made us stronger, it is very hard to say it and it was so hard to take but I'm happy we got relegated because look at what we have now, bright young manager, new owner and currently in a playoff place. Things are definitely looking up and long may it continue. UTG
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Post by oldtoteender on Mar 11, 2016 22:36:58 GMT
I would like to think D.C. will stick with us with our new owners (and all the cash that is supposed to come with them) prospect of a new Stadium etc, i cannot see him getting a better club to manage, unless he thinks he can get a job in the Championship but that is a big if,it's a big step up, and anyway would be surely much better and satisfying to take us there and great for his C.V. UTG !
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 11, 2016 22:40:08 GMT
I would like to think D.C. will stick with us with our new owners (and all the cash that is supposed to come with them) prospect of a new Stadium etc, i cannot see him getting a better club to manage, unless he thinks he can get a job in the Championship but that is a big if,it's a big step up, and anyway would be surely much better and satisfying to take us there and great for his C.V. UTG ! Yeah, you'd think taking a team from the Conf to the Championship is usually virtually impossible. If the Al Qadi years go to plan, it's at least feasible.
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