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Post by phillistine on Mar 18, 2016 7:54:11 GMT
..are not fools and yet many on here are treating them as if they are.
Do you really think that they will have purchased the club and assumed a victory in the court case?
No, they will have negotiated a deal dependant upon the outcome and now they know the facts and can move on. A win would have been a bonus rather than the defeat being a disaster.
Why no specific mention of Uwe? If they want to be able to develop Rovers into a bigger player then the new stadium will have to have the potential to become something larger than maybe the previous Board envisaged. The location is excellent but maybe they need something which UWE aren't offering - such as freehold. Why let the vendor maintain full control?
You only have to look at Celtic Manor to see how a small Hotel has been turned into a major venue with a fantastic sporting facility in the grounds. You can't do something like that without owning the land or at least having complete control of the land on which it sits.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 18, 2016 8:56:01 GMT
. .are not fools and yet many on here are treating them as if they are.
Do you really think that they will have purchased the club and assumed a victory in the court case? No, they will have negotiated a deal dependant upon the outcome and now they know the facts and can move on. A win would have been a bonus rather than the defeat being a disaster. Why no specific mention of Uwe? If they want to be able to develop Rovers into a bigger player then the new stadium will have to have the potential to become something larger than maybe the previous Board envisaged. The location is excellent but maybe they need something which UWE aren't offering - such as freehold. Why let the vendor maintain full control? You only have to look at Celtic Manor to see how a small Hotel has been turned into a major venue with a fantastic sporting facility in the grounds. You can't do something like that without owning the land or at least having complete control of the land on which it sits. No? Does anybody think that? Our problem is we've had 30+ years of false promises so we're bound to be a bit nervous, it's like winning millions on the lottery, you know you've got the winning ticket but until the money's in your bank account you wouldn't be happy!! You can hardly compare the UWE stadium to Celtic Manor unless the Al-Q's are planning a rooftop golf course? As once it's built it's unlikley to change for decades. |
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Post by costahotshot on Mar 18, 2016 9:10:15 GMT
..are not fools and yet many on here are treating them as if they are. Do you really think that they will have purchased the club and assumed a victory in the court case? No, they will have negotiated a deal dependant upon the outcome and now they know the facts and can move on. A win would have been a bonus rather than the defeat being a disaster. Why no specific mention of Uwe? If they want to be able to develop Rovers into a bigger player then the new stadium will have to have the potential to become something larger than maybe the previous Board envisaged. The location is excellent but maybe they need something which UWE aren't offering - such as freehold. Why let the vendor maintain full control? You only have to look at Celtic Manor to see how a small Hotel has been turned into a major venue with a fantastic sporting facility in the grounds. You can't do something like that without owning the land or at least having complete control of the land on which it sits. |
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Post by phillistine on Mar 18, 2016 12:36:47 GMT
. .are not fools and yet many on here are treating them as if they are.
Do you really think that they will have purchased the club and assumed a victory in the court case? No, they will have negotiated a deal dependant upon the outcome and now they know the facts and can move on. A win would have been a bonus rather than the defeat being a disaster. Why no specific mention of Uwe? If they want to be able to develop Rovers into a bigger player then the new stadium will have to have the potential to become something larger than maybe the previous Board envisaged. The location is excellent but maybe they need something which UWE aren't offering - such as freehold. Why let the vendor maintain full control? You only have to look at Celtic Manor to see how a small Hotel has been turned into a major venue with a fantastic sporting facility in the grounds. You can't do something like that without owning the land or at least having complete control of the land on which it sits. No? Does anybody think that? Our problem is we've had 30+ years of false promises so we're bound to be a bit nervous, it's like winning millions on the lottery, you know you've got the winning ticket but until the money's in your bank account you wouldn't be happy!! You can hardly compare the UWE stadium to Celtic Manor unless the Al-Q's are planning a rooftop golf course? the point I was trying to make with the comment about Celtic Manor was that Terry Matthews started that off with a small hotel and 1 golf course. he gradually improved the facilities and as the reputation grew he improved the hotel and built a second course. Finally he landed the Ryder Cup and extended the Hotel again quite dramatically to accomodate the television channels, built a new clubhouse and a third state of the art golf course. When he first started , the Ryder cup was just a pipe-dream and now he has " been there done that " . Imagine if we start to climb the football ladder and achieve things that are beyond our wildest dreams at the moment. We don't want to discover that the new stadium holds us back but ( like Celtic Manor) we have flexibility to grow. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 18, 2016 12:45:55 GMT
I guess the reverse is do a Darlington and build a stadium far bigger they you need!!
We've really no idea where the Al-Q's see us being in 5 or 10 years to know if the present plans for the UWE are sufficent or not. For us to want a stadium with a capacity exceeding 27K, whihc I understand is the present pp limit, then surely that would mean Premiership football but that is probably doing to entail a £50m+ investment in the playing side alone.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 13:08:36 GMT
I guess the reverse is do a Darlington and build a stadium far bigger they you need!! We've really no idea where the Al-Q's see us being in 5 or 10 years to know if the present plans for the UWE are sufficent or not. For us to want a stadium with a capacity exceeding 27K, whihc I understand is the present pp limit, then surely that would mean Premiership football but that is probably doing to entail a £50m+ investment in the playing side alone. You don't need prem football. T''other lot down't road are our main competition. Their money has been spent on an expensive upgrade to aging technology. We can build a better venue with better chances for bigger events: we would be likely to be closer to north therefore better motorway links. We can build a retail park and profit from rental income. Nothing wrong with building something at least equal to Ashton Gout with better travel links for big events. Problem is, where could we build other than UWE? Raise eastville tesco and ikea to the ground, re route m32 replace with viaduct. Re conquer India and Africa.....let's move back to move forwards |
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Post by slam on Mar 18, 2016 13:15:23 GMT
I think that, in part anyway, the point that the OP was making was that we should not expect the new owners to dive straight into the project to build the new stadium. The physical plans for the stadium itself and the business plans for the use of the stadium and the development of the football club were drawn up by the old Board. As such they will have been devised on the basis of the Old Board's plans for the club and, maybe more importantly, the budget constraints of the Old Board.
The new owners may have different budgetary constraints and, I hope, higher ambitions. It is only to be expected that they will take their time to scrutinise the existing plans and identify areas where modifications and improvements can be made (for instance, the purchase rather than the lease of the land at UWE).
I agree with the OP - The court case would have been a massive bonus if it had been won, but I sincerely doubt that they were banking on a victory when they purchased the shares and paid off the Club's debt. They have already said on numerous occasions that the stadium development was not dependent on the outcome of the court case.
In any event, I suspect that an even bigger bonus to them would be the possibility of promotion to League 1 this year. What a start that would be to their time at the reins. Lets not get deflected by the court case and simply focus on getting behind the team and winning the next few games.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 18, 2016 13:23:12 GMT
I guess the reverse is do a Darlington and build a stadium far bigger they you need!! We've really no idea where the Al-Q's see us being in 5 or 10 years to know if the present plans for the UWE are sufficent or not. For us to want a stadium with a capacity exceeding 27K, whihc I understand is the present pp limit, then surely that would mean Premiership football but that is probably doing to entail a £50m+ investment in the playing side alone. You don't need prem football. T''other lot down't road are our main competition. Their money has been spent on an expensive upgrade to aging technology. We can build a better venue with better chances for bigger events: we would be likely to be closer to north therefore better motorway links. We can build a retail park and profit from rental income. Nothing wrong with building something at least equal to Ashton Gout with better travel links for big events. Problem is, where could we build other than UWE? Raise eastville tesco and ikea to the ground, re route m32 replace with viaduct. Re conquer India and Africa.....let's move back to move forwards No idea what you're rambling on about TBH, as surely the UWE is the obvious choice and we're not going to get pp for a retail park on UWE ground? i'd also hope we can proceed w/o having to seeking new pp. |
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Post by youmadethatup on Mar 18, 2016 14:08:05 GMT
I would imagine that the original UWE stadium design was quite basic internally . We have all been to modern Stadiums that have vastly different quality internal facilities. Improving on this internal stuff can change match day experiences and potentially increase the audience interested in attending. This will also apply to boxes ,restaurants and different levels of seating comfort and the numbers of each provided. I don't think getting fixated on the number of seats in the stadium is looking in the right direction. There will be ample numbers of cheaper seating available, the key to the Stadiums success is the numbers of more expensive packages and what they offer. So maybe the stadium tweaks are more boxes and better facilities making it the destination of choice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 14:49:17 GMT
What I would change about UWE.
Are we a football club or a university?
Having to share facilities
Running track ruins the experience. Hate that gap.
Goes back to shallow. Millennium v Wembley - stadiums which are steep are much better.
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Post by gasforeverman on Mar 18, 2016 16:07:03 GMT
Wasnt aware there was gunna be a running track inside the uwe?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 18, 2016 16:14:51 GMT
Wasnt aware there was gunna be a running track inside the uwe? It's just a little jogging track taking up the sort of space you would expect between the stands and the pitch. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 18, 2016 16:17:46 GMT
Wasnt aware there was gunna be a running track inside the uwe? It's just a little jogging track taking up the sort of space you would expect between the stands and the pitch. Regardless, given that we're spending £30m+ building the staduim surely we should dictate how close the fans are to the pitch, not the UWE? |
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Post by You can call me Al. on Mar 18, 2016 16:18:48 GMT
Jesus christ, we're getting bleedin fussy all of a sudden! If the new chap is prepared to cough up gawd knows how many soddin millions to build us a stadium we've been bleedin ramblin on about for half a soddin century i think we should let him bloody decide what soddin shape/size etc the damn thing is!
Whatever bleedin next...
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Post by lpgas on Mar 18, 2016 18:18:09 GMT
We need the freehold, more than anything else
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 18, 2016 18:39:35 GMT
Jesus christ, we're getting bleedin fussy all of a sudden! If the new chap is prepared to cough up gawd knows how many soddin millions to build us a stadium we've been bleedin ramblin on about for half a soddin century i think we should let him bloody decide what soddin shape/size etc the damn thing is! Whatever bleedin next... I think that's the point let the club decide and not the UWE which seemed to have been the case with the original plans? Regardless Wael seems open to discussing fans suggestions and was happy to discuss the reasoning behind safe standing not being a possibility at the new stadium. |
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Post by nsgas on Mar 18, 2016 18:40:54 GMT
We need the freehold, more than anything else With the freehold the new owners would be able to borrow money using the new stadium as security. What could possibly go wrong? |
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Post by seasidegas on Mar 18, 2016 18:57:45 GMT
You lot are fkin crazy ain't you, just bloody wait and be patient, I'm sure the stadium when it happens will be everything we want it to be
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 18:59:05 GMT
Wasnt aware there was gunna be a running track inside the uwe? I think it was described as a "jogging" track. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 18, 2016 19:04:05 GMT
We need the freehold, more than anything else With the freehold the new owners would be able to borrow money using the new stadium as security. What could possibly go wrong? If we had a 125 lease couldn't they still borrow against the stadium, if not how do Swansea etc survive? Although didn't the UWE insist the club was "debt" free anyway? |
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