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Post by supergas on Mar 18, 2016 15:06:19 GMT
TW On the basis that I'm completely incompetent in my role i resign Incompetent how? I'll start, since no one else has yet: "Toni Watola admits the club were not anticipating relegation in regards to budgeting for 2014-2015". What other job does the Finance Director have than to gauge a variety of budgets based on a variety of different scenarios. And since we spent over half the 2013/14 season in 20th position or lower, it's inconceivable that the scenario of being relegated wasn't considered and planned for...
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Post by socrates on Mar 18, 2016 15:35:04 GMT
I don't really care what he said or what he should have said. We were never going to win the case anyway so it onwards and upwards now regarding the stadium and hopefully the team too. I'd imagine Watola will be out of a job some time soon as they realise what a buffoon he is anyway. With the new set up is there really a place for him at the club ? I think he's probably just been kept there for the sake of the handover between the sainsburys case and the new direction which we're taking regarding the stadium project. Wouldn't surprise me if he left in the next few days. UTG
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 15:58:49 GMT
About the judgement yesterday? Following on from the TW interview thread, again he is getting a hard time about his interview and the content thereof. But what were you expecting or wanting him to say? What information did you think he had if you wanted him or expected him to say more? Do you think the club should have given him more information to tell us fans? Was the lack of information given his fault or that of our new chairman/owners? Just interested as TW seems to get a panning no matter what he says or does and as the new regime see him working along side him I wondered if it was possible for fans to wipe the slate clean with him and see how he performs with Wael and company? Personally, I have no axe to grind with him, he wasnt to blame for our relegation out of the league as much he cant take much credit for getting us back in. So why the continued hate? If they insist on keeping him I'd rather it was in a behind the scenes role. He brings WAY too much baggage to ever get a fair crack of the whip. In answer to the OP I would rather not have him at all but I would have been happier that he had not said that our lawyers want us to appeal again. I'd rather he hadn't mentioned plan B. I'd rather he hadn't laughed when saying he knew he'd get panned by the fans for saying plan B. I'd rather he had not mentioned plan B at all if all he was going to say was that it was confidential. A simple: Here is the result. With regret we have to accept it and we will move forward now with plans to take the club forward and SH and WAQ are currently with financiers today to this end. That would have been ok. I think you will find he said that any appeal would be decided by the new owners and their legal team,but hey ho keep bashing
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Post by dinsdale on Mar 18, 2016 16:24:50 GMT
TW On the basis that I'm completely incompatant im my role i resign Incompetent how? A summary of several years of posts on te subject For years he based our budgets on 30% higher gates then we anticipated actually getting resulting in masses of debt. He made no contingency plans for relegation at all making DC's job very difficult. The contracts and plans put togeter for Sainsburys well they hardly worked out well and the several relegation, poor financial performences etc etc.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 18, 2016 16:25:28 GMT
If they insist on keeping him I'd rather it was in a behind the scenes role. He brings WAY too much baggage to ever get a fair crack of the whip. In answer to the OP I would rather not have him at all but I would have been happier that he had not said that our lawyers want us to appeal again. I'd rather he hadn't mentioned plan B. I'd rather he hadn't laughed when saying he knew he'd get panned by the fans for saying plan B. I'd rather he had not mentioned plan B at all if all he was going to say was that it was confidential. A simple: Here is the result. With regret we have to accept it and we will move forward now with plans to take the club forward and SH and WAQ are currently with financiers today to this end. That would have been ok. I think you will find he said that any appeal would be decided by the new owners and their legal team,but hey ho keep bashing Well that will probably take them about 60 seconds to decide then, even TW has suggested that they only ran the case to keep the UWE project alive as long as possible.
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Post by womble on Mar 18, 2016 16:34:45 GMT
A summary of several years of posts on te subject For years he based our budgets on 30% higher gates then we anticipated actually getting resulting in masses of debt. He made no contingency plans for relegation at all making DC's job very difficult. The contracts and plans put togeter for Sainsburys well they hardly worked out well and the several relegation, poor financial performences etc etc. The failure to have a prepared budget position for relegation is indeed inexcusable, but as an employee he will only have set loss making budgets if the board were willing to make up the shortfall. The failure to run at an operating break even (UWE costs aside), is mostly down to the previous board.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 18, 2016 16:59:26 GMT
Newmarket is right.
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Post by newmarketgas on Mar 18, 2016 17:12:21 GMT
We are the moral high ground supporters in Bristol, we are the nice ones, just listen to ourselves, As an advert to the new board and owners we look pretty crap to be honest. Time we all grew up and acted like adults and I did say all, we are entering a new time so why not try to look forward, so don't look back in anger, see what I did ?
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Post by newmarketgas on Mar 18, 2016 17:41:59 GMT
Newmarket is right. Post deleted. Any chance you could have a word with my Mrs ?
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Post by pirate49 on Mar 18, 2016 17:53:35 GMT
What did I expect or want him to say ?
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 18, 2016 18:22:30 GMT
I'll start, since no one else has yet: "Toni Watola admits the club were not anticipating relegation in regards to budgeting for 2014-2015". What other job does the Finance Director have than to gauge a variety of budgets based on a variety of different scenarios. And since we spent over half the 2013/14 season in 20th position or lower, it's inconceivable that the scenario of being relegated wasn't considered and planned for... I agree, but with a modicum of defense, at one point I think we were bolted in mid table, 10 points from the play offs, 10 points from the drop zone. I am not sure when budgets are drawn, but I would say well before may by which time were were relegated. Budgets can be meaningless at a football club in any case, the attendances fit the turnover if you know there will be a shortfall and that will be underwritten by the directors. Very few forecasts are actually correct, just look at the budget this week. Cut from 2.4% to 2.0% growth and a staggered 0.1% for the next 3 years. Not what Osbourne shouted about when the tories were trying to lever themselves into government. Even if what they do is better than what Labour can hash together. But I digress. Point is Watola was led by the nose by Higgs, the perception is he had something to do with the downfall, when in essence he is paid by the club to structure a budget laid down by the ones above, we were losing so much money, what he put in the budget didnt really matter.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 18, 2016 18:49:23 GMT
A summary of several years of posts on te subject For years he based our budgets on 30% higher gates then we anticipated actually getting resulting in masses of debt. He made no contingency plans for relegation at all making DC's job very difficult. The contracts and plans put togeter for Sainsburys well they hardly worked out well and the several relegation, poor financial performences etc etc. The failure to have a prepared budget position for relegation is indeed inexcusable, but as an employee he will only have set loss making budgets if the board were willing to make up the shortfall. The failure to run at an operating break even (UWE costs aside), is mostly down to the previous board. Out of interest what advantage would there be in planning for relegation when it was v. unlikely to happen and, if it did, you have the summer to plan for the new season anyway? TW could hardly say to the manager I think we should plan for letting players x,y & z leave in May just in case we go down, likewise he can hardly tell DC to sign new players now just in case we were in Div 1 next season. As far as the playing budget does anybody seriously think the new owners will break even next season, budget wise, or will they just make up the shortfall like NH always did?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 18:57:25 GMT
The failure to have a prepared budget position for relegation is indeed inexcusable, but as an employee he will only have set loss making budgets if the board were willing to make up the shortfall. The failure to run at an operating break even (UWE costs aside), is mostly down to the previous board. Out of interest what advantage would there be in planning for relegation when it was v. unlikely to happen and, if it did, you have the summer to plan for the new season anyway? TW could hardly say to the manager I think we should plan for letting players x,y & z leave in May just in case we go down, likewise he can hardly tell DC to sign new players now just in case we were in Div 1 next season. As far as the playing budget does anybody seriously think the new owners will break even next season, budget wise, or will they just make up the shortfall like NH always did? But he didn't though did he. He went to a third party lender and borrowed £2.7m.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 13:51:19 GMT
I think you will find he said that any appeal would be decided by the new owners and their legal team,but hey ho keep bashing Well that will probably take them about 60 seconds to decide then, even TW has suggested that they only ran the case to keep the UWE project alive as long as possible. With all this knowledge you and Hugo keep spouting it amazes me that the pair of you didn't get the finances to form a consortium to buy the club,then you can put all the faults to rights
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Post by baggins on Mar 20, 2016 14:18:43 GMT
Well that will probably take them about 60 seconds to decide then, even TW has suggested that they only ran the case to keep the UWE project alive as long as possible. With all this knowledge you and Hugo keep spouting it amazes me that the pair of you didn't get the finances to form a consortium to buy the club,then you can put all the faults to rights Let's not go there with this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 14:44:29 GMT
I'll start, since no one else has yet: "Toni Watola admits the club were not anticipating relegation in regards to budgeting for 2014-2015". What other job does the Finance Director have than to gauge a variety of budgets based on a variety of different scenarios. And since we spent over half the 2013/14 season in 20th position or lower, it's inconceivable that the scenario of being relegated wasn't considered and planned for... I agree, but with a modicum of defense, at one point I think we were bolted in mid table, 10 points from the play offs, 10 points from the drop zone. I am not sure when budgets are drawn, but I would say well before may by which time were were relegated. Budgets can be meaningless at a football club in any case, the attendances fit the turnover if you know there will be a shortfall and that will be underwritten by the directors. Very few forecasts are actually correct, just look at the budget this week. Cut from 2.4% to 2.0% growth and a staggered 0.1% for the next 3 years. Not what Osbourne shouted about when the tories were trying to lever themselves into government. Even if what they do is better than what Labour can hash together. But I digress. Point is Watola was led by the nose by Higgs, the perception is he had something to do with the downfall, when in essence he is paid by the club to structure a budget laid down by the ones above, we were losing so much money, what he put in the budget didnt really matter. If you really want to be pedantic we only got 4 points from the last 7 games,4 of which were at home,in all honesty a point a game was not beyond the realms of possibility,so I think that relegation was never on the agenda,otherwise JW would not have been replaced when he was,and even the most negative poster s on here would have expected Rovers to get the point they needed in the last home match against a side who had fish and chips on the coach and forgot their kit,so you can see why the board were caught unaware as were the fans.When JW was sacked we were averaging 1.13 points per game over the last 8 games we averaged 0.875
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 15:14:04 GMT
I agree, but with a modicum of defense, at one point I think we were bolted in mid table, 10 points from the play offs, 10 points from the drop zone. I am not sure when budgets are drawn, but I would say well before may by which time were were relegated. Budgets can be meaningless at a football club in any case, the attendances fit the turnover if you know there will be a shortfall and that will be underwritten by the directors. Very few forecasts are actually correct, just look at the budget this week. Cut from 2.4% to 2.0% growth and a staggered 0.1% for the next 3 years. Not what Osbourne shouted about when the tories were trying to lever themselves into government. Even if what they do is better than what Labour can hash together. But I digress. Point is Watola was led by the nose by Higgs, the perception is he had something to do with the downfall, when in essence he is paid by the club to structure a budget laid down by the ones above, we were losing so much money, what he put in the budget didnt really matter. If you really want to be pedantic we only got 4 points from the last 7 games,4 of which were at home,in all honesty a point a game was not beyond the realms of possibility,so I think that relegation was never on the agenda,otherwise JW would not have been replaced when he was,and even the most negative poster s on here would have expected Rovers to get the point they needed in the last home match against a side who had fish and chips on the coach and forgot their kit,so you can see why the board were caught unaware as were the fans.When JW was sacked we were averaging 1.13 points per game over the last 8 games we averaged 0.875 You are like a broken record Padstow. Relegation happened,it's been and gone and we have come back stronger with the best manager I have seen at Rovers in 43 years. This mans potential is limitless, a bit like your poisonous vendetta against the man. He has proven yourself and many others very wrong. Time and again. I know you like making a fool of yourself but do yourself a favour,be the big man you try to portray and lay off Darrel Clarke and admit you were wrong about the man. Did he need your recommendations? Did he need your help? Did he hell. Edit:: Darrel Clarke was an inexperienced man when he took over. Green and wet behind the ears. And boy has he learned. Give the man some credit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 16:09:46 GMT
If you really want to be pedantic we only got 4 points from the last 7 games,4 of which were at home,in all honesty a point a game was not beyond the realms of possibility,so I think that relegation was never on the agenda,otherwise JW would not have been replaced when he was,and even the most negative poster s on here would have expected Rovers to get the point they needed in the last home match against a side who had fish and chips on the coach and forgot their kit,so you can see why the board were caught unaware as were the fans.When JW was sacked we were averaging 1.13 points per game over the last 8 games we averaged 0.875 You are like a broken record Padstow. Relegation happened,it's been and gone and we have come back stronger with the best manager I have seen at Rovers in 43 years. This mans potential is limitless, a bit like your poisonous vendetta against the man. He has proven yourself and many others very wrong. Time and again. I know you like making a fool of yourself but do yourself a favour,be the big man you try to portray and lay off Darrel Clarke and admit you were wrong about the man. Did he need your recommendations? Did he need your help? Did he hell. Edit:: Darrel Clarke was an inexperienced man when he took over. Green and wet behind the ears. And boy has he learned. Give the man some credit. The reason Padstow is so bitter is because he didn't get the chief scout job.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 20, 2016 16:19:46 GMT
Well that will probably take them about 60 seconds to decide then, even TW has suggested that they only ran the case to keep the UWE project alive as long as possible. With all this knowledge you and Hugo keep spouting it amazes me that the pair of you didn't get the finances to form a consortium to buy the club,then you can put all the faults to rights Just listen to TW's interview on the thread I started after the court case, nothing to do with me putting faults to right when TW said himself? Although it a bit of a cheek coming from you when you were demanding an explanation from the club because they gave you the cold shoulder about giving a trial to mystery foreign youngster!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 16:57:25 GMT
You are like a broken record Padstow. Relegation happened,it's been and gone and we have come back stronger with the best manager I have seen at Rovers in 43 years. This mans potential is limitless, a bit like your poisonous vendetta against the man. He has proven yourself and many others very wrong. Time and again. I know you like making a fool of yourself but do yourself a favour,be the big man you try to portray and lay off Darrel Clarke and admit you were wrong about the man. Did he need your recommendations? Did he need your help? Did he hell. Edit:: Darrel Clarke was an inexperienced man when he took over. Green and wet behind the ears. And boy has he learned. Give the man some credit. The reason Padstow is so bitter is because he didn't get the chief scout job. I knew it was personal,so that's the reason. Not only a very good manager Mr Clarke but better than we all thought regarding judgement of people.
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