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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 13:19:05 GMT
I thought this was rejected last season by the football league? This was one of Greg Dyke's crackpot ideas. As far as I'm concerned the Premier League can go shaft themselves,they have already ruined the national team so leave us alone. Your quite right there, Mr Dyke [d..kh..d], suggested last season they should be allowed to join leagues one and two from memory, this sounds like a watered down idea of his previous crackpot scheme.
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Post by mjhgas on Mar 20, 2016 13:19:07 GMT
Wouldn't go.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Mar 20, 2016 13:25:17 GMT
Rubbish trophy anyw, unless you get to the final. Would they play at the first teams stadium? Could be a good day out then. Not so sure. Imagine playing at Old Trafford with 7000 Gasheads and about 1000 plastics. We wouldn't get to play at Old Trafford or entertain Man City as it is regionalised. Best we would get in first couple of rounds would be Swansea
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Post by supergas on Mar 20, 2016 15:37:12 GMT
The only reason they want 'competitive' (and I use the term loosely) football for their u-21 teams is that the previous Tv deal (called the EPPP) allows Premiership clubs to 'hoover up' young talent from Football League teams for negligible (some would say pathetic) fees in exchange for each Football League club getting a share of the Premiership Tv deal...the only people who benefit from this are lower league clubs who have no intention of finding and developing local talent. The people who lose from this are the lower league clubs who do try and develop young talent and (more often than not) the young talent themselves who spend years playing non-competitive football...
The only reason why they want to play their U-21s against lower league teams is to get these guys competitive football...surely they could splash even more cash and set up their own competition, invite lower league teams to enter and then each of us can pick and choose if we want to play...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 15:53:59 GMT
The only reason they want 'competitive' (and I use the term loosely) football for their u-21 teams is that the previous Tv deal (called he EPPP) allows Premiership clubs to 'hoover up' young talent from Football League teams for negligible (some would say pathetic) fees in exchange for each Football League club getting a share of the Premiership Tv deal...the only people who benefit from this are lower league clubs who have no intention of finding and developing local talent. The people who lose from this are the lower league clubs who do try and develop young talent and (more often than not) the young talent themselves who spend years playing non-competitive football... The only reason why they want to play their U-21s against lower league teams is to get these guys competitive football...surely they could splash even more cash and set up their own competition, invite lower league teams to enter and then each of us can pick and choose if we want to play... "the only people who benefit from this are lower league clubs who have no intention of finding and developing local talent. The people who lose from this are the lower league clubs who do try and develop young talent" Eh?
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 20, 2016 16:11:09 GMT
Not so sure. Imagine playing at Old Trafford with 7000 Gasheads and about 1000 plastics. We wouldn't get to play at Old Trafford or entertain Man City as it is regionalised. Best we would get in first couple of rounds would be Swansea I guess Southampton would be in the South West region as well but I assume they'd be split 8 north & 8 south, or 4 each if they went N.S E & W, quite looking forward to it TBH as the JPT as it is has become a fairly pointless trophy, particularly as we've now been to Wembley recently.
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Post by supergas on Mar 20, 2016 16:29:58 GMT
The only reason they want 'competitive' (and I use the term loosely) football for their u-21 teams is that the previous Tv deal (called he EPPP) allows Premiership clubs to 'hoover up' young talent from Football League teams for negligible (some would say pathetic) fees in exchange for each Football League club getting a share of the Premiership Tv deal...the only people who benefit from this are lower league clubs who have no intention of finding and developing local talent. The people who lose from this are the lower league clubs who do try and develop young talent and (more often than not) the young talent themselves who spend years playing non-competitive football... The only reason why they want to play their U-21s against lower league teams is to get these guys competitive football...surely they could splash even more cash and set up their own competition, invite lower league teams to enter and then each of us can pick and choose if we want to play... "the only people who benefit from this are lower league clubs who have no intention of finding and developing local talent. The people who lose from this are the lower league clubs who do try and develop young talent" Eh? So lower league clubs who are content to sign journeymen get lots of/some cash from the Premiership TV deal, and because they don't spend any on an academy they are probably better off than the clubs who do fund an academy, do develop young players and then (because they also get the Premier League cash) are required to sell this young talent for a fixed fee to a big club when they come calling, no matter how good they are or what their potential is. Remember when 'we' (not Rovers specifically) could sell a talented youngster for a fee plus a load of add-ons (ie £100k for 50 league appearances, £100k for an England cap, etc etc)....not any more, the Premier League grab anyone with any potential and then most of them rot in the reserves/U21s, occasionally getting a loan deal to a club they have no connection with where they probably develop even less....
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Post by lpgas on Mar 20, 2016 19:10:07 GMT
Well IF it happens, and we get to meet one of these "Prem Teams" lets vote with our feet (attendance 0)
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Post by pirate49 on Mar 20, 2016 19:14:52 GMT
Simply put...they can sod off.
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Post by tommym9 on Mar 20, 2016 19:39:21 GMT
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Mar 20, 2016 20:49:39 GMT
I don't know if I would not go if it was free for season ticket holders but I certainty would not pay to go even at a discount.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 20, 2016 21:27:48 GMT
Why don't they just let them play in the initial round league games but not allow them to progress to the later knock out stages/Wembley? That way they get competitive games but not ruin the competition for lower league clubs?
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Post by Strange Gas on Mar 20, 2016 21:34:31 GMT
Why don't they just play each other in an U21s premier league? They would be competitive and I'm sure it would be as lucrative if the football was any good. Pack the Etihad with 12 year olds screaming on their 17 year old heroes. Oh wait a minute, even they wouldn't bother, so why should we?
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Post by youmadethatup on Mar 20, 2016 23:28:56 GMT
It will no longer be the football league trophy...but something new. Meaning the competition is closed and sits alongside the watney cup ,Anglo Italian cup etc as competitions clubs have won but nobody considers of any significance anymore.
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Post by supergas on Mar 21, 2016 2:20:41 GMT
Why don't they just let them play in the initial round league games but not allow them to progress to the later knock out stages/Wembley? That way they get competitive games but not ruin the competition for lower league clubs? The maths doesn't really work there because you need a set number of teams to progress to the next round so everyone has someone else to play...and even if you just let the losing Football League clubs progress, it's still ruining the competition as a team that romped through the previous round could easily end up drawn against a team who had their arses handed to them in the previous round. Better (IMHO) for the Premier League to fund a new competition that lower League clubs can apply to enter if they want to. Set a prize fund to make it worthwhile (say £1m for the winners, £500k for the runner-up, £250k for the 3rd/4th teams and so on...) Some Football League clubs will jump at the chance, some won't, but I bet from 48 League One and Two clubs at least 20-30 would apply to enter, they scale the competition around the total number of U21s and League Clubs (prob round robin early on, meaning each U21 team gets at least 3 competitive matches)... I know what you're all thinking, what effect will this have on the current schedule/player fitness...that's an owner and management decision. We might gain (financially or technically) by playing in such a competition or we might decide it's not worth the effort/risk to the other competitions. But at least then all lower league clubs would have the choice....
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Post by simon1883 on Mar 21, 2016 11:43:17 GMT
If the premier league just let us develop our own players and then paid the right money for them there would be no need for this at all. It's all the premier leagues fault and now hey are trying to bully everyone else into fixing their problem.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 21, 2016 12:11:43 GMT
When Harry Redknapp was in charge of QPR he wanted to loan his U21 players out to Lower league teams and he wanted to pay the clubs to do this !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 20:47:52 GMT
I was thinking you know why they want to compete in the JPT? As of next season the emergency loan system is no-more, so football league clubs can only loan players in the summer and January. Obviously the prem teams won't be able to send as many players out on loan to gain experience, so they have come up with this rubbish idea.
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