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See above, there is a thread on the tool and Northampton fans don't seem too impressed with him after first game.
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« on: August 09, 2014, 20:34:07 pm »
Thoughts and views on John Joe O'Toole after todays game? Fit, good enough, interested, quick enough etc!!!
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2014, 20:46:23 pm »
Quality. 56 minutes played and a boo boy has been found. Well done.
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2014, 20:52:39 pm »
Spent an hour running into a yellow wall.
Today's formation could well work away from home but somehow we must find a way to include JJ in a home formation. 3-5-2 is the answer for me, and we have the players to do that .
It's very early days but it's already crystal clear that Wilder will rightly pick him from the off every week...he's too good and too expensive not to be factored in.
The issue is is that we must not build a team around him, to the detriment of his team mates. We saw today how the side was much better once Toney replaced him but that was because of the formation change and Toneys obvious qualities.
So in summary. Away from home, no issue. However at home Wilder has some serious thinking to do!
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2014, 20:55:06 pm »
Clearly a good footballer and I'm sure after 10 games we'll be able to form a more rounded view.
Today's game was difficult for him given Mansfields hoofball.
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2014, 21:12:35 pm »
Sound words chaps.
Our own hoof ball tactics to the line Richards in the first half wasn't helping JJ's case either. He'll fit in fine with the supporters once he scores a few classy goals, sets up a few and people accept his languid style.
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2014, 21:15:19 pm »
I would not call JJOT languid. That was Constantine! Nonchalant is the word I would use!
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2014, 21:16:08 pm »
It's topics like this that allow people to have a dig at him after one game.
I went to the Sheff U friendly and he was by far our best player. Today he was off it a bit our formation didn't help us as they crowded the centre as much as possible.
I don't agree with the away from home comment either. Think it can work at home but it's hard against Mansfield with 3 centre halves, 2 wing backs and 2 centre midfielders. Made no space in the middle. Other teams will go 442 etc which will help us.
I do think 3412 be the best formation to accommodate all players. However against teams like Mansfield we need to grind it out and win as a team and that's what we did today.
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2014, 21:19:29 pm »
I can't agree that we played any hoofball today. We went direct at times but much of our play was through midfield.
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2014, 21:30:14 pm »
I'm sure he will have better days. The most telling thing was CW making the correct decision to take him off.
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2014, 21:38:45 pm »
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I can't agree that we played any hoofball today. We went direct at times but much of our play was through midfield.
We hoofed quite a few aimless balls up during the first half. Second half with Toney on and Richards working off him those balls seemed to be better placed. All about opinions though thankfully.
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2014, 21:51:29 pm »
Agree Ralph, thought we were very laboured in the first half and O'Toole wasn't involved and when he did get the ball often made the wrong choice. But hopefully early days and his quality will shine through.
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2014, 22:06:06 pm »
The thing I don't understand is we finally have an attacking midfielder with a good goalscoring record and we sacrifice a striker in order to fit him into the team! It's one step forwards and two back with that mentality IMO - We were so much better with 2 up front second half.
It's obviously too early to judge O'Toole after one game but I have a feeling he'll be far more effective attacking from midfield with two strikers ahead of him rather than playing as a 'false' second striker. Wouldn't have killed him to applaud the fans who were clapping him off when he was substituted though would it? Carter and Hackett seemed to manage it okay...
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2014, 22:14:19 pm »
His first touch was poor. His distribution was poor. He was second to all but a few balls..
Not a boo boy. Just the truth. Next week he could have a blinder and someone else might be shyte. It's almost as if it football.
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2014, 22:56:10 pm »
Solid opinions, bar the first comment, thanks guys Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2014, 23:34:48 pm »
Quote from: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 09, 2014, 22:14:19 pm
His first touch was poor. His distribution was poor. He was second to all but a few balls..
Not a boo boy. Just the truth. Next week he could have a blinder and someone else might be shyte. It's almost as if it football.
Well it is league two football
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« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 00:21:21 »
Languid is exactly how I would describe him. Its early days but would probably achieve more behind two strikers.
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« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 00:22:31 »
Quote from: Just another moaner on August 09, 2014, 23:34:48 pm
Well it is league two football
Which was my point Roll Eyes Cool
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We won, he played a part and we move on to next week where he will problebly smash 2 in.... ?
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Quote from: Its_nice_to_michu on Yesterday at 00:29:03
We won, he played a part and we move on to next week where he will problebly smash 2 in.... ?
Against Wolves? I certainly hope so.
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« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 02:11:03 »
York...... Wink let the haters, hate!
See above, there is a thread on the tool and Northampton fans don't seem too impressed with him after first game.
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2014, 20:46:23 pm »
Quality. 56 minutes played and a boo boy has been found. Well done.
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2014, 20:52:39 pm »
Spent an hour running into a yellow wall.
Today's formation could well work away from home but somehow we must find a way to include JJ in a home formation. 3-5-2 is the answer for me, and we have the players to do that .
It's very early days but it's already crystal clear that Wilder will rightly pick him from the off every week...he's too good and too expensive not to be factored in.
The issue is is that we must not build a team around him, to the detriment of his team mates. We saw today how the side was much better once Toney replaced him but that was because of the formation change and Toneys obvious qualities.
So in summary. Away from home, no issue. However at home Wilder has some serious thinking to do!
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2014, 20:55:06 pm »
Clearly a good footballer and I'm sure after 10 games we'll be able to form a more rounded view.
Today's game was difficult for him given Mansfields hoofball.
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2014, 21:12:35 pm »
Sound words chaps.
Our own hoof ball tactics to the line Richards in the first half wasn't helping JJ's case either. He'll fit in fine with the supporters once he scores a few classy goals, sets up a few and people accept his languid style.
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2014, 21:15:19 pm »
I would not call JJOT languid. That was Constantine! Nonchalant is the word I would use!
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2014, 21:16:08 pm »
It's topics like this that allow people to have a dig at him after one game.
I went to the Sheff U friendly and he was by far our best player. Today he was off it a bit our formation didn't help us as they crowded the centre as much as possible.
I don't agree with the away from home comment either. Think it can work at home but it's hard against Mansfield with 3 centre halves, 2 wing backs and 2 centre midfielders. Made no space in the middle. Other teams will go 442 etc which will help us.
I do think 3412 be the best formation to accommodate all players. However against teams like Mansfield we need to grind it out and win as a team and that's what we did today.
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2014, 21:19:29 pm »
I can't agree that we played any hoofball today. We went direct at times but much of our play was through midfield.
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2014, 21:30:14 pm »
I'm sure he will have better days. The most telling thing was CW making the correct decision to take him off.
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2014, 21:38:45 pm »
Quote from: clarkeysntfc on August 09, 2014, 21:19:29 pm
I can't agree that we played any hoofball today. We went direct at times but much of our play was through midfield.
We hoofed quite a few aimless balls up during the first half. Second half with Toney on and Richards working off him those balls seemed to be better placed. All about opinions though thankfully.
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2014, 21:51:29 pm »
Agree Ralph, thought we were very laboured in the first half and O'Toole wasn't involved and when he did get the ball often made the wrong choice. But hopefully early days and his quality will shine through.
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2014, 22:06:06 pm »
The thing I don't understand is we finally have an attacking midfielder with a good goalscoring record and we sacrifice a striker in order to fit him into the team! It's one step forwards and two back with that mentality IMO - We were so much better with 2 up front second half.
It's obviously too early to judge O'Toole after one game but I have a feeling he'll be far more effective attacking from midfield with two strikers ahead of him rather than playing as a 'false' second striker. Wouldn't have killed him to applaud the fans who were clapping him off when he was substituted though would it? Carter and Hackett seemed to manage it okay...
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2014, 22:14:19 pm »
His first touch was poor. His distribution was poor. He was second to all but a few balls..
Not a boo boy. Just the truth. Next week he could have a blinder and someone else might be shyte. It's almost as if it football.
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Solid opinions, bar the first comment, thanks guys Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2014, 23:34:48 pm »
Quote from: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on August 09, 2014, 22:14:19 pm
His first touch was poor. His distribution was poor. He was second to all but a few balls..
Not a boo boy. Just the truth. Next week he could have a blinder and someone else might be shyte. It's almost as if it football.
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« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 00:21:21 »
Languid is exactly how I would describe him. Its early days but would probably achieve more behind two strikers.
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Quote from: Just another moaner on August 09, 2014, 23:34:48 pm
Well it is league two football
Which was my point Roll Eyes Cool
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Quote from: Its_nice_to_michu on Yesterday at 00:29:03
We won, he played a part and we move on to next week where he will problebly smash 2 in.... ?
Against Wolves? I certainly hope so.
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