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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 21:04:25 GMT
OK. I have been to both our games and 1 friendly. If you can't see that we are cr4p, then fair play to you for your loyal optimism. These teams I am watching on TV are better than what we have put together yet imo. The players on show have also arguably got better pedigree, look fitter and more determined. Lets see how we do. I have got a fair idea already unless there is a miracle waiting to happen. Didn't say we aren't cr4p! We are in this league for a reason and as a result the only players you are going to attract are ones that can't get a league side. BUT I'd like to try and have a realistic view on things as neither a 'tinter' or 'moaning git'. Our first half on Tuesday was woeful, worse than last season at times, but our second was ok-ish, there were signs of nice football at times and we were probably the better side in that second 45. But as the result was bad and first half half so terrible people seem to forget the better stuff, and to some extent that is fair enough, its a results game. There was no football at all in tonight's game and a shocking goal at the end. We have a long way to go to be a top 5 team but we are definitely not a bottom half team. I refuse to give up hope outright with 2 games gone and still an incomplete squad. IF we don't get 4 points in the next two games having looked at the opposition then I will start getting worried. For the moment I refuse to just get carried away. The same as if we did win our next two I refuse to believe it means we are a suddenly decent side. Fair enough. I have been around long enough not to get carried away also. this is only a forum....... But the 2nd half on Tuesday? Might our improvement also be something to do with Barnet being 2-0 up? The Barnet Gaffer telling his players that we would come out all guns blazing for 10 mins etc etc? Its really basic stuff mate. I am under no illusion that we were in Barnets pocket all night. Not a single player won a personal battle out there, we were well and truly beaten all over the pitch...tell me Im wrong if you saw differently. We didn't even see a big tackle go in, a frustration challenge or anything! Gutless and clueless.
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Post by Hugo Admin on Aug 14, 2014 21:08:29 GMT
I am willing to donate to the FFS if we beat either of those teams that played tonight. £5 a win. RAS! Save this post. Its on the pledge list mate
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Post by gretschgas on Aug 14, 2014 21:19:15 GMT
Didn't say we aren't cr4p! We are in this league for a reason and as a result the only players you are going to attract are ones that can't get a league side. BUT I'd like to try and have a realistic view on things as neither a 'tinter' or 'moaning git'. Our first half on Tuesday was woeful, worse than last season at times, but our second was ok-ish, there were signs of nice football at times and we were probably the better side in that second 45. But as the result was bad and first half half so terrible people seem to forget the better stuff, and to some extent that is fair enough, its a results game. There was no football at all in tonight's game and a shocking goal at the end. We have a long way to go to be a top 5 team but we are definitely not a bottom half team. I refuse to give up hope outright with 2 games gone and still an incomplete squad. IF we don't get 4 points in the next two games having looked at the opposition then I will start getting worried. For the moment I refuse to just get carried away. The same as if we did win our next two I refuse to believe it means we are a suddenly decent side. Fair enough. I have been around long enough not to get carried away also. this is only a forum....... But the 2nd half on Tuesday? Might our improvement also be something to do with Barnet being 2-0 up? The Barnet Gaffer telling his players that we would come out all guns blazing for 10 mins etc etc? Its really basic stuff mate. I am under no illusion that we were in Barnets pocket all night. Not a single player won a personal battle out there, we were well and truly beaten all over the pitch...tell me Im wrong if you saw differently. We didn't even see a big tackle go in, a frustration challenge or anything! Gutless and clueless. Possibly, that's a very 'glass half empty' opinion though! Barnet certainly didn't have that approach on the opening day. Naturally a team 2-0 up at half time will prioritise on not conceding rather than scoring again but that doesn't stop the fact that at least we did play football, we could have just carried on hoofing and giving it back to Barnet but we did try and play. Don't think that I am just being guided by blind optimism or anything, we haven't been good enough that is obvious. BUT I still see potential in the side. The front 3 all have the ability given good service (tomorrow morning we should see this improve), Sinclair is certainly not 'gutless', Mansell is tidy and Monkhouse and Gosling, given a few more games, I believe are above average for this division. We lack a left wing back as I don't think Brown is suited to that system, wingers and a quick centre half too but we are far from clueless!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 21:27:43 GMT
Fair enough. I have been around long enough not to get carried away also. this is only a forum....... But the 2nd half on Tuesday? Might our improvement also be something to do with Barnet being 2-0 up? The Barnet Gaffer telling his players that we would come out all guns blazing for 10 mins etc etc? Its really basic stuff mate. I am under no illusion that we were in Barnets pocket all night. Not a single player won a personal battle out there, we were well and truly beaten all over the pitch...tell me Im wrong if you saw differently. We didn't even see a big tackle go in, a frustration challenge or anything! Gutless and clueless. Possibly, that's a very 'glass half empty' opinion though! Barnet certainly didn't have that approach on the opening day. Naturally a team 2-0 up at half time will prioritise on not conceding rather than scoring again but that doesn't stop the fact that at least we did play football, we could have just carried on hoofing and giving it back to Barnet but we did try and play. Don't think that I am just being guided by blind optimism or anything, we haven't been good enough that is obvious. BUT I still see potential in the side. The front 3 all have the ability given good service (tomorrow morning we should see this improve), Sinclair is certainly not 'gutless', Mansell is tidy and Monkhouse and Gosling, given a few more games, I believe are above average for this division. We lack a left wing back as I don't think Brown is suited to that system, wingers and a quick centre half too but we are far from clueless! OK, you are entitled. I also see potential in the side but I saw potential in the side last season and we went down. So far, I have seen little to suggest we are going to be competitive and watching that tonight has worried me somewhat. Lets just see. Bear in mind we all want a successful side, the negativity has brewed for a while with good reason.
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Post by cookinongas on Aug 14, 2014 21:28:46 GMT
Gotta agree with gretchgas. I watched the last 20 mins of this game and both sides were crap. It was sad realising we will be going there in the league. We are better than both of those teams and we should beat them comfortably
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Post by Fetch on Aug 14, 2014 21:42:39 GMT
Gotta agree with gretchgas. I watched the last 20 mins of this game and both sides were crap. It was sad realising we will be going there in the league. We are better than both of those teams and we should beat them comfortably Yes, should . You, I, and everyone on this forum knows that's not how it usually turns out though
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 22:18:59 GMT
Gotta agree with gretchgas. I watched the last 20 mins of this game and both sides were crap. It was sad realising we will be going there in the league. We are better than both of those teams and we should beat them comfortably Have you watched us yet? Long ball. Cant shoot. Can't win a second ball. Weak in the tackle. Tactically inept. 2nd best. Poor in the air. Poor movement off of the ball. Limited options whilst on the ball. Don't deliver decent balls into the box. Plus.... Haven't got a settled squad. Changed 3 players unforced after the first game. Don't have any pace in defence. Haven't got a striker who consistently knows where the net is. Haven't got any creativity in midfield.(haven't shown any) Haven't got a winger. I don't know how people are seeing these other games any deciding that we are better than what's on show? We are a poor side in the conference. This is not just to do with our first 2 results. It is plain to see.
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Post by dmacca65 on Aug 15, 2014 6:12:40 GMT
Gotta agree with gretchgas. I watched the last 20 mins of this game and both sides were crap. It was sad realising we will be going there in the league. We are better than both of those teams and we should beat them comfortably Have you watched us yet? Long ball. Cant shoot. Can't win a second ball. Weak in the tackle. Tactically inept. 2nd best. Poor in the air. Poor movement off of the ball. Limited options whilst on the ball. Don't deliver decent balls into the box. Plus.... Haven't got a settled squad. Changed 3 players unforced after the first game. Don't have any pace in defence. Haven't got a striker who consistently knows where the net is. Haven't got any creativity in midfield.(haven't shown any) Haven't got a winger. I don't know how people are seeing these other games any deciding that we are better than what's on show? We are a poor side in the conference. This is not just to do with our first 2 results. It is plain to see. You would have to search long and hard to find a performance as bad as our first half at Barnet!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 6:17:28 GMT
I didnt think we looked crap first game. Indiidually the players looked o.k but for me the formation and tactics were very negative. I didnt see a lost cause just a team poorly set up.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 15, 2014 6:21:05 GMT
Gotta agree with gretchgas. I watched the last 20 mins of this game and both sides were crap. It was sad realising we will be going there in the league. We are better than both of those teams and we should beat them comfortably Have you watched us yet? Long ball. Cant shoot. Can't win a second ball. Weak in the tackle. Tactically inept. 2nd best. Poor in the air. Poor movement off of the ball. Limited options whilst on the ball. Don't deliver decent balls into the box. Plus.... Haven't got a settled squad. Changed 3 players unforced after the first game. Don't have any pace in defence. Haven't got a striker who consistently knows where the net is. Haven't got any creativity in midfield.(haven't shown any) Haven't got a winger. I don't know how people are seeing these other games any deciding that we are better than what's on show? We are a poor side in the conference. This is not just to do with our first 2 results. It is plain to see. this begs the question then, why are you not manager of BRFC if you can see these "Faults" ??
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 7:25:23 GMT
Have you watched us yet? Long ball. Cant shoot. Can't win a second ball. Weak in the tackle. Tactically inept. 2nd best. Poor in the air. Poor movement off of the ball. Limited options whilst on the ball. Don't deliver decent balls into the box. Plus.... Haven't got a settled squad. Changed 3 players unforced after the first game. Don't have any pace in defence. Haven't got a striker who consistently knows where the net is. Haven't got any creativity in midfield.(haven't shown any) Haven't got a winger. I don't know how people are seeing these other games any deciding that we are better than what's on show? We are a poor side in the conference. This is not just to do with our first 2 results. It is plain to see. this begs the question then, why are you not manager of BRFC if you can see these "Faults" ?? I'm not a football manager. Do you need to be a football manager to see any of that? Strange question henbury. So any supporter that points out opinionated problems(since that's what they are, others may see the opposite) should be a manager?
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Post by cookinongas on Aug 15, 2014 7:56:37 GMT
I watched the game against Grimsby on telly. I thought to be honest we looked ok. It was a very cagey game that neither side wanted to lose. I saw a marked improvement from the games i saw last season. We will be better than most teams believe me
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Post by wysemangas on Aug 15, 2014 8:32:22 GMT
So far we have not played very well, for what ever the reasons. However after watching the game at Eastleigh on TV it might confirm that the Conference standard of football is poor, both teams in the final third were rubbish, a lot of effort but not much else. Much like us and Grimsby,
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Post by spoony on Aug 15, 2014 8:55:19 GMT
this begs the question then, why are you not manager of BRFC if you can see these "Faults" ?? I'm not a football manager. Do you need to be a football manager to see any of that? Strange question henbury. So any supporter that points out opinionated problems(since that's what they are, others may see the opposite) should be a manager? This 'they are only opinions' line is brought out all the time. You have an opinion, so does someone else. You can't get defensive over your opinions when someone else is just giving their opinions.
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Post by I Voted For Kodos on Aug 15, 2014 9:26:20 GMT
Gotta agree with gretchgas. I watched the last 20 mins of this game and both sides were crap. It was sad realising we will be going there in the league. We are better than both of those teams and we should beat them comfortably Have you watched us yet? Long ball. Cant shoot. Can't win a second ball. Weak in the tackle. Tactically inept. 2nd best. Poor in the air. Poor movement off of the ball. Limited options whilst on the ball. Don't deliver decent balls into the box. Plus.... Haven't got a settled squad. Changed 3 players unforced after the first game. Don't have any pace in defence. Haven't got a striker who consistently knows where the net is. Haven't got any creativity in midfield.(haven't shown any) Haven't got a winger. I don't know how people are seeing these other games any deciding that we are better than what's on show? We are a poor side in the conference. This is not just to do with our first 2 results. It is plain to see. I agree with a lot of these points as we're poor going forward but I believe if we play 3-5-2 we are defensively solid. However, gretschgas' original point was that neither Aldershot nor Eastleigh were as good as Barnet or Grimsby. We may be a poor side, but this is a poor league and although Aldershot and Eastleigh showed some drive last night, there was very little quality in the game. It was like watching a game of table football with both teams trying to get it down the other end of the pitch in the hope something might fall to a striker.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 12:22:43 GMT
I'm not a football manager. Do you need to be a football manager to see any of that? Strange question henbury. So any supporter that points out opinionated problems(since that's what they are, others may see the opposite) should be a manager? This 'they are only opinions' line is brought out all the time. You have an opinion, so does someone else. You can't get defensive over your opinions when someone else is just giving their opinions. I am not being defensive at all. Asking why I'm not the manager is odd! henbury didn't offer an opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 12:27:21 GMT
Have you watched us yet? Long ball. Cant shoot. Can't win a second ball. Weak in the tackle. Tactically inept. 2nd best. Poor in the air. Poor movement off of the ball. Limited options whilst on the ball. Don't deliver decent balls into the box. Plus.... Haven't got a settled squad. Changed 3 players unforced after the first game. Don't have any pace in defence. Haven't got a striker who consistently knows where the net is. Haven't got any creativity in midfield.(haven't shown any) Haven't got a winger. I don't know how people are seeing these other games any deciding that we are better than what's on show? We are a poor side in the conference. This is not just to do with our first 2 results. It is plain to see. I agree with a lot of these points as we're poor going forward but I believe if we play 3-5-2 we are defensively solid. However, gretschgas' original point was that neither Aldershot nor Eastleigh were as good as Barnet or Grimsby. We may be a poor side, but this is a poor league and although Aldershot and Eastleigh showed some drive last night, there was very little quality in the game. It was like watching a game of table football with both teams trying to get it down the other end of the pitch in the hope something might fall to a striker. Fair points but I'd suggest that a neutral watching our game on telly might have also seen 2 teams with little ability. Supporters have usually got tinted specs on of one shade or another.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 15, 2014 12:43:03 GMT
this begs the question then, why are you not manager of BRFC if you can see these "Faults" ?? I'm not a football manager. Do you need to be a football manager to see any of that? Strange question henbury. So any supporter that points out opinionated problems(since that's what they are, others may see the opposite) should be a manager? Not saying that at all what i mean is if a lowly supporter can see these "Faults" how come a highly paid, skilled Football manager cannot ??
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 12:46:48 GMT
I'm not a football manager. Do you need to be a football manager to see any of that? Strange question henbury. So any supporter that points out opinionated problems(since that's what they are, others may see the opposite) should be a manager? Not saying that at all what i mean is if a lowly supporter can see these "Faults" how come a highly paid, skilled Football manager cannot ?? I imagine he can.
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Post by dmacca65 on Aug 15, 2014 15:59:14 GMT
Not saying that at all what i mean is if a lowly supporter can see these "Faults" how come a highly paid, skilled Football manager cannot ?? I imagine he can. And cant do a thing about it?
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