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Post by paulpirate on Aug 19, 2016 17:01:13 GMT
I feel like sticking to our guns is better. Start spending and end up where we did last time no thanks. We've hardly done badly on a small budget. But imagine where we could be if DC was given a competitive budget for Div 1? Unless it's just kidology by DC then he seems to be admitting we need 3 or 4 additional players, if so, then surely it's better to sign better players than we have at present than the likes of Moore & Hartley who just seem players of similar, or even lesser, ability as the present Div 2 squad from last season. dont know why he signed Moore if he's not good enough to start,might as well of kept gos I bet he's on less wages
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Post by markczgas on Aug 19, 2016 17:28:37 GMT
But imagine where we could be if DC was given a competitive budget for Div 1? Unless it's just kidology by DC then he seems to be admitting we need 3 or 4 additional players, if so, then surely it's better to sign better players than we have at present than the likes of Moore & Hartley who just seem players of similar, or even lesser, ability as the present Div 2 squad from last season. dont know why he signed Moore if he's not good enough to start,might as well of kept gos I bet he's on less wages It does seem strange how little game-time Moore and James have had - but we need to give then time before they and DC are judged by us - till Dec/Jan. Hartley looks ok - just feel we need a bigger CB than him so perhaps there might be another one coming in ?
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Post by hargravegas on Aug 19, 2016 17:32:22 GMT
I was asssuming Moore was injured, is that not the case? He was good in pre season i thought
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Post by markczgas on Aug 19, 2016 17:39:35 GMT
I was asssuming Moore was injured, is that not the case? He was good in pre season i thought He was for sure but was then on the bench for Oxford - has he had another setback since ??
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Post by socrates on Aug 19, 2016 18:17:51 GMT
To be fair I don't remember any of us being overwhelmed by the early performances of the likes of Mansel, Taylor, Sinclair or Easter but they've all gone on to become important players in two successive promotions. Montano took longer than most to start putting in good performances but I really rate him now too. Hartley hasn't done anything wrong in fact I'd say him and Mc Crystal have probably been our best two centre halves in the three games I've seen. DC won't get every signing right no manager does but I'm willing to give every signing at least 10 - 20 games before I decide whether I think they're right for this team. Also good enough for league 1 doesn't necessarily mean right for Rovers, some players just fit some clubs but perform worse elsewhere and I think DC is bloody good at calling those shots much in the same way Gerry Francis did in the late 80s early 90s for us. Other examples but at a higher level of that knack are Brian clough at Forest and the team Raniari built at Leicester last season. I wonder if the "special one " could build a team full of cast offs on a small budget in the way those great managers have.
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Post by bs9trymer on Aug 19, 2016 18:28:41 GMT
To be fair I don't remember any of us being overwhelmed by the early performances of the likes of Mansel, Taylor, Sinclair or Easter but they've all gone on to become important players in two successive promotions. Montano took longer than most to start putting in good performances but I really rate him now too. Hartley hasn't done anything wrong in fact I'd say him and Mc Crystal have probably been our best two centre halves in the three games I've seen. DC won't get every signing right no manager does but I'm willing to give every signing at least 10 - 20 games before I decide whether I think they're right for this team. Also good enough for league 1 doesn't necessarily mean right for Rovers, some players just fit some clubs but perform worse elsewhere and I think DC is bloody good at calling those shots much in the same way Gerry Francis did in the late 80s early 90s for us. Other examples but at a higher level of that knack are Brian clough at Forest and the team Raniari built at Leicester last season. I wonder if the "chosen one " could build a team full of cast offs on a small budget in the way those great managers have. Brian Clough couldnt do it at Brighton ( or Leeds ) but he spent a lot at Forest,in fact I wish DC had the funds NOW that Clough had then.
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Post by socrates on Aug 19, 2016 18:33:40 GMT
To be fair I don't remember any of us being overwhelmed by the early performances of the likes of Mansel, Taylor, Sinclair or Easter but they've all gone on to become important players in two successive promotions. Montano took longer than most to start putting in good performances but I really rate him now too. Hartley hasn't done anything wrong in fact I'd say him and Mc Crystal have probably been our best two centre halves in the three games I've seen. DC won't get every signing right no manager does but I'm willing to give every signing at least 10 - 20 games before I decide whether I think they're right for this team. Also good enough for league 1 doesn't necessarily mean right for Rovers, some players just fit some clubs but perform worse elsewhere and I think DC is bloody good at calling those shots much in the same way Gerry Francis did in the late 80s early 90s for us. Other examples but at a higher level of that knack are Brian clough at Forest and the team Raniari built at Leicester last season. I wonder if the "chosen one " could build a team full of cast offs on a small budget in the way those great managers have. Brian Clough couldnt do it at Brighton ( or Leeds ) but he spent a lot at Forest,in fact I wish DC had the funds NOW that Clough had then. Clough had a large budget once they'd won the first division but the team he built that started it all and went on to promotion and winning the league wasn't a lot. Obviously once you win the league in the top flight your budget increases. I'm pretty sure he signed Trevor Francis just before the Euro final , he had the money at his disposal then but not at the beginning. If DC can keep improving us , which I think he will then no doubt he'll have to start spending more on transfers and wages. That's the evolution not revolution. I'm glad we've done it our way and not the Notts County way of a few years back.
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Post by bs9trymer on Aug 19, 2016 18:39:46 GMT
Trouble is that after 2 promotions DC's budget doesnt seem to have increased.
'Evolution not revolution' sounds like a clever way of saying 'no funds are available' ?
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 19, 2016 18:40:53 GMT
I am sorry but if there weren't better midfield players around for signing in the summer than Ollie Clarke and Stuart Sinclair then football must be in a bad state. It looks like it is going to be 3 or 4 players coming in in the last few days of the transfer deadline and we will be at least two league matches further down the road. My worry is do these players really want to sign for us if the ait till the last few days? In my opinion DC is getting us players who we are their last resort. These signings should all have been sorted out in the summer and it would have been nice to actually sign players who other cubs actually want.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 19, 2016 19:04:58 GMT
Haven't seen James at all but we signed him a week before Taylor re-signed so I wonder if DC would have done that if he knew that MT was going to sign. The problem was DC couldn't just wait for him and had to act which he did. We now have 5 attackers fighting over 2 places but I expect James to be given a chance sooner or later. I like Hartley, he's done nothing to think he won't be good enough and seems to be favoured in a back 3. With Macca being so reliable I think we are well covered at the back for what will be a season of consolidation. It's in midfield where we could benefit most from new signings but I would like to see Easter given a few matches there and for Manse, when he's fit, to be given a few games. Easter probably wouldn't last a whole match but he would influence the game when he's there. I guess we will know more after the game tomorrow and each game that goes without winning will make new signings more likely. Whatever, UTG!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 19, 2016 19:35:54 GMT
3 pages of crap and no new signing in a thread titled "new signing".
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Post by wiaww on Aug 19, 2016 19:39:14 GMT
Trouble is that after 2 promotions DC's budget doesnt seem to have increased. 'Evolution not revolution' sounds like a clever way of saying 'no funds are available' ? Based on what? I'd imagine the whole squad is on more than last season.
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Post by socrates on Aug 19, 2016 19:39:43 GMT
I am sorry but if there weren't better midfield players around for signing in the summer than Ollie Clarke and Stuart Sinclair then football must be in a bad state. It looks like it is going to be 3 or 4 players coming in in the last few days of the transfer deadline and we will be at least two league matches further down the road. My worry is do these players really want to sign for us if the ait till the last few days? In my opinion DC is getting us players who we are their last resort. These signings should all have been sorted out in the summer and it would have been nice to actually sign players who other cubs actually want. I'd rather we signed players that our manager actually wants than players other clubs actually want. if DC doesn't bring anyone else in and then gives the reason for it as money then I'll be worried but until then I think as usual people are jumping the gun again here.
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Post by garystash on Aug 19, 2016 19:52:23 GMT
I am sorry but if there weren't better midfield players around for signing in the summer than Ollie Clarke and Stuart Sinclair then football must be in a bad state. It looks like it is going to be 3 or 4 players coming in in the last few days of the transfer deadline and we will be at least two league matches further down the road. My worry is do these players really want to sign for us if the ait till the last few days? In my opinion DC is getting us players who we are their last resort. These signings should all have been sorted out in the summer and it would have been nice to actually sign players who other cubs actually want. I guess there could be something in this highlighted bit, and I can cite a few reasons why this may be: 1. The Mem is not very impressive. 2. Our training facilities are not great either. 3. Players probably want more money than we are prepared/can pay for them. It becomes a game of who blinks first.
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Post by youmadethatup on Aug 19, 2016 19:57:16 GMT
DC is quite consistent on repeating over and over that 3 or 4 players will definitely sign before the window closes. He is not saying we might ,he is saying there will be. Seems to me there are negotiations going on with the selected individuals their clubs and agents. When you listen to Stuart Sinclair he also seems convinced new players are arriving ,but also that the existing players WILL LEARN to play well at league one level and it's just fine lines that need correcting. As for the new players....maybe they have not fully got to grips with what is expected when playing for DC and so are not ready yet. Which means they won't get selected until they are ready (?) There is no defeatist talk in the camp ,its all about getting it right and then they will continue as in other seasons and win game after game. DC and SS made that very clear in their recent interviews. It might take till Christmas to get it fully right ,the question is do fans have the same self belief and strength of character as DC his coaches and the players ? I doubt it.
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Post by Okebournegas on Aug 19, 2016 20:02:33 GMT
DC is quite consistent on repeating over and over that 3 or 4 players will definitely sign before the window closes. He is not saying we might ,he is saying there will be. Seems to me there are negotiations going on with the selected individuals their clubs and agents. When you listen to Stuart Sinclair he also seems convinced new players are arriving ,but also that the existing players WILL LEARN to play well at league one level and it's just fine lines that need correcting. As for the new players....maybe they have not fully got to grips with what is expected when playing for DC and so are not ready yet. Which means they won't get selected until they are ready (?) There is no defeatist talk in the camp ,its all about getting it right and then they will continue as in other seasons and win game after game. DC and SS made that very clear in their recent interviews. It might take till Christmas to get it fully right ,the question is do fans have the same self belief and strength of character as DC his coaches and the players ? I doubt it. Well said ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Post by jaunkerr on Aug 20, 2016 12:25:46 GMT
I feel like sticking to our guns is better. Start spending and end up where we did last time no thanks. We've hardly done badly on a small budget. But and we were having this chat last night, the 3rd tier is now a fair bit different to when we were a part of it as our true standing. We have the money that goes with being promoted to championship clubs being a big part of the teams who were relegated from that league and that does make a difference. As much as I'd like to say that we should stick to building from within we do need to bring in some quality and speculate to accumulate as I see it. We have decent players and maybe 3-4 that can really hack it at this level but this is not Twerton and things have changed massively since those days. Having said all of that mind, look at Burton Albion...... They stuck to most of their l2 squad so it can be done but it will be the ex person to the rule. The money that the championship clubs who got relegated will make a difference and the style and shear speed of play will make this an interesting season. I do trust DC but I also think that he has to sometimes stay with a team that has performed well before. I still play when I can and knkw that confidence is a big thing. A winning team is a confident team and I just worry that DC will often change this just to experiment and we can't afford to experiment so much this season, I
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Post by jaunkerr on Aug 20, 2016 12:30:38 GMT
To be fair I don't remember any of us being overwhelmed by the early performances of the likes of Mansel, Taylor, Sinclair or Easter but they've all gone on to become important players in two successive promotions. Montano took longer than most to start putting in good performances but I really rate him now too. Hartley hasn't done anything wrong in fact I'd say him and Mc Crystal have probably been our best two centre halves in the three games I've seen. DC won't get every signing right no manager does but I'm willing to give every signing at least 10 - 20 games before I decide whether I think they're right for this team. Also good enough for league 1 doesn't necessarily mean right for Rovers, some players just fit some clubs but perform worse elsewhere and I think DC is bloody good at calling those shots much in the same way Gerry Francis did in the late 80s early 90s for us. Other examples but at a higher level of that knack are Brian clough at Forest and the team Raniari built at Leicester last season. I wonder if the "special one " could build a team full of cast offs on a small budget in the way those great managers have. I think Ranieri inherited a decent squad from Pearson tbh. Pearson was sh** on big time IMO
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Aug 21, 2016 14:02:16 GMT
To be fair I don't remember any of us being overwhelmed by the early performances of the likes of Mansel, Taylor, Sinclair or Easter but they've all gone on to become important players in two successive promotions. Montano took longer than most to start putting in good performances but I really rate him now too. Hartley hasn't done anything wrong in fact I'd say him and Mc Crystal have probably been our best two centre halves in the three games I've seen. DC won't get every signing right no manager does but I'm willing to give every signing at least 10 - 20 games before I decide whether I think they're right for this team. Also good enough for league 1 doesn't necessarily mean right for Rovers, some players just fit some clubs but perform worse elsewhere and I think DC is bloody good at calling those shots much in the same way Gerry Francis did in the late 80s early 90s for us. Other examples but at a higher level of that knack are Brian clough at Forest and the team Raniari built at Leicester last season. I wonder if the "special one " could build a team full of cast offs on a small budget in the way those great managers have. I think Ranieri inherited a decent squad from Pearson tbh. Pearson was sh** on big time IMO Raineri inherited a squad that very narrowly avoided relegation. What he did with those players was nothing short of amazing, in my opinion. I don't think there is any chance that Pearson would have won the league last year, and by saying this I am not diminishing the job he did to get Leicester promoted and then keep them up. Arguably unlucky though Pearson was to lose his job, Ranieri was clearly an inspired choice to replace him.
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 21, 2016 14:29:26 GMT
Trouble is that after 2 promotions DC's budget doesnt seem to have increased. 'Evolution not revolution' sounds like a clever way of saying 'no funds are available' ? . Not really we have already appointed specialists to the board, who will be on good money. We have given a 3 year deal to Dc, which he wouldn't have signed if he thought we wouldn't invest any money. DC is giving players a chance to prove themselves, if they are not up to it, he will replace them and funds will be made available. I was expecting us to lose Lockyer and Taylor, but we managed to sign them both to new deals. Why does everyone want things to happen instantly? No patience, what we have been doing has been working and now we have funds, when needed. That does not mean that we should waste money and stop doing the things that have worked.
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