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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 17:58:21 GMT
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Post by Russgas on Sept 10, 2016 18:05:57 GMT
Shocking defending for both our goals conceded.
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Post by socrates on Sept 10, 2016 18:08:02 GMT
I thought Roos looked a bit rigid for their first at the time and the highlights don't make it look any better.
Very poor defensively from us today.
I don't want to see Lee Brown played anywhere except left back, and when he's there he's MR consistent.
Too many square pegs round holes today cost us two points.
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Post by socrates on Sept 10, 2016 18:11:00 GMT
Shocking defending for both our goals conceded. Yeah Matty Taylor well and truly pulled us out of the sh** today with those two goals. Thing is if you need to score two just to scrape a point then what your doing clearly isn't working. I think the players are good enough for league 1 we've got a big and good squad but we need to play to our strengths and we're not doing that yet bar Oxford at home. |
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Post by lpgas on Sept 10, 2016 18:25:00 GMT
Shocking defending for both our goals conceded. Yeah Matty Taylor well and truly pulled us out of the sh** today with those two goals. Thing is if you need to score two just to scrape a point then what your doing clearly isn't working. I think the players are good enough for league 1 we've got a big and good squad but we need to play to our strengths and we're not doing that yet bar Oxford at home. With the exception of one man I think we could all see that the formation wasn't working, and at half time he should have changed it, but didn't. If we are going to play one up front at home (as did Ward) than I will start to go less often. At home we should play 4-4-2, and if that means dropping one of his favs then so be it. Todays project was FAIL |
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Post by socrates on Sept 10, 2016 18:44:57 GMT
Yeah Matty Taylor well and truly pulled us out of the sh** today with those two goals. Thing is if you need to score two just to scrape a point then what your doing clearly isn't working. I think the players are good enough for league 1 we've got a big and good squad but we need to play to our strengths and we're not doing that yet bar Oxford at home. With the exception of one man I think we could all see that the formation wasn't working, and at half time he should have changed it, but didn't. If we are going to play one up front at home (as did Ward) than I will start to go less often. At home we should play 4-4-2, and if that means dropping one of his favs then so be it. Todays project was FAIL Yeah plenty of attacking players on the pitch but no organisation led to very few chances created. We ended last season playing 4-4-2 every game and were pretty much unstoppable. In that 4-4-2 we had lines and mansel in the middle. Now I know mans is injured but I think Boateng is as good if not better and would partner lines in the middle perfectly. Colket on the bench to replace or push Lines for his place and O Clarke mansel and Sinclair on the bench for Boateng gives us cover in the middle. In Bodin, Montano and hopefully the winger who's been injured I think we've got enough wide players to go 4-4-2. I'm really worried that in bringing in these new players DC has forgotten that what we had going was working so well and rather than stick with it and gradually incorporate the new signings in to what's been successful he's ripped it up and started again. That would be a bad move in my opinion. I do trust DC I think he's a legend for what he's done for us but it did seem today like he couldn't see what I think most of us could. Away to Swindon was dreadful and today to be fair wasn't much better it was only Taylor's two goals out of nothing that salvaged a point in a disorganised performance. |
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Post by markczgas on Sept 10, 2016 18:45:18 GMT
It was still a good game especially first half. I thought we played 3 - 5 -2 ?? Taylor and Easter up top - so don't understand the 1 up front bit.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 10, 2016 19:02:42 GMT
It was still a good game especially first half. I thought we played 3 - 5 -2 ?? Taylor and Easter up top - so don't understand the 1 up front bit. Whatever we were playing, it was a 4 - something - something. |
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Post by oldgas on Sept 10, 2016 19:33:51 GMT
I thought Roos looked a bit rigid for their first at the time and the highlights don't make it look any better. Very poor defensively from us today. I don't want to see Lee Brown played anywhere except left back, and when he's there he's MR consistent. Too many square pegs round holes today cost us two points. For the first goal Roos made the classic mistake of starting to come for the ball then changed his mind. Consequently he was caught in no mans land and the ball was passed around him and their player was able to pass it into the net. for their second, Hartley got done in the left back position, there was some controversy regarding a foul, but the fact is we were too ponderous in defence. This summary is from my recollection and view from the Dribuild, I haven't been able to get the highlights to play. |
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Post by I Voted For Kodos on Sept 10, 2016 19:39:25 GMT
It was still a good game especially first half. I thought we played 3 - 5 -2 ?? Taylor and Easter up top - so don't understand the 1 up front bit. Whatever we were playing, it was a 4 - something - something. Whatever he was playing, Brown certainly wasn't part of a back 4. |
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Post by socrates on Sept 10, 2016 19:51:49 GMT
I thought Roos looked a bit rigid for their first at the time and the highlights don't make it look any better. Very poor defensively from us today. I don't want to see Lee Brown played anywhere except left back, and when he's there he's MR consistent. Too many square pegs round holes today cost us two points. For the first goal Roos made the classic mistake of starting to come for the ball then changed his mind. Consequently he was caught in no mans land and the ball was passed around him and their player was able to pass it into the net. for their second, Hartley got done in the left back position, there was some controversy regarding a foul, but the fact is we were too ponderous in defence. This summary is from my recollection and view from the Dribuild, I haven't been able to get the highlights to play. Yeah good memory and vision that's how I saw it live and in the highlights. |
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Post by supergas on Sept 10, 2016 23:38:43 GMT
For the first goal Roos made the classic mistake of starting to come for the ball then changed his mind. Consequently he was caught in no mans land and the ball was passed around him and their player was able to pass it into the net. for their second, Hartley got done in the left back position, there was some controversy regarding a foul, but the fact is we were too ponderous in defence. At the time I thought Roos was unlucky and was beaten by a good first touch but you're right, he was in no-mans land and should either be there to challenge or on his line to make the save... ...as for the second, I still can't get past the massive shove in the back on Taylor that wasn't given (and that the highlights conveniently don't show).....yes the rest of the defending was poor, but yes the referee cost us that goal by his incompetence.... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 6:19:02 GMT
Showed it on the football last night,only one viewing but didn't look much of a shove Matty.
Would have liked to have seen it again to be fair.
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Post by gaseous on Sept 11, 2016 8:13:00 GMT
Whatever we were playing, it was a 4 - something - something. Whatever he was playing, Brown certainly wasn't part of a back 4. I agree, browner was not part of a back four, he was so far up the pitch that our back line time and time again was exploited by their right winger, he was carving through us and that led to an easy first goal, whether browner was supposed to get back or he couldn't quick enough I don't know but that formation can't be used again at home. For me Lee has been solid as left back but he struggles to beat a player only did he do it with monky in front of him and that was on the overlap, so why play him so far up the field, better to have a winger there. I can understand trying something new or different but it didn't work yesterday. |
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Post by ThisCharmingMan on Sept 11, 2016 9:11:15 GMT
If we're going to play 4 at the back there needs to be balance. James Clarke and Brown as the full backs makes the back 4 anything but balanced, especially if Brown is going to play like a wing back. It meant there were holes everywhere for Rochdale to exploit and that coupled with the gaping holes in the middle of the park in the first half, meant we were left very susceptible to concede. It's always difficult to win a game when conceding 2.
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Post by knowall on Sept 11, 2016 9:52:35 GMT
Showed it on the football last night,only one viewing but didn't look much of a shove Matty. Would have liked to have seen it again to be fair. I sit where the shove could be best seen and it was a real shove - but Taylor feins a push to often so refs dismiss his claims now - cut it out Matty and when it is genuine refs might give it. Unfortunately Harrison is now copying and refs have noted that too. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 10:05:31 GMT
Whatever he was playing, Brown certainly wasn't part of a back 4. I agree, browner was not part of a back four, he was so far up the pitch that our back line time and time again was exploited by their right winger, he was carving through us and that led to an easy first goal, whether browner was supposed to get back or he couldn't quick enough I don't know but that formation can't be used again at home. For me Lee has been solid as left back but he struggles to beat a player only did he do it with monky in front of him and that was on the overlap, so why play him so far up the field, better to have a winger there. I can understand trying something new or different but it didn't work yesterday. its not new or different though under dc brown has played left wing back numerous times?? |
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Post by gaseous on Sept 11, 2016 11:03:40 GMT
I do know that we have played the wing back system before and on many times but not sure whether browner was that far up field. It's OK as long as our back three aren't exposed like yesterday. It should've been changed at half time as it clearly wasn't working.
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Post by William Wilson on Sept 11, 2016 11:20:27 GMT
Shocking defending for both our goals conceded. Yeah Matty Taylor well and truly pulled us out of the sh** today with those two goals. Thing is if you need to score two just to scrape a point then what your doing clearly isn't working. I think the players are good enough for league 1 we've got a big and good squad but we need to play to our strengths and we're not doing that yet bar Oxford at home. Not sure that some of our players are good enough for League 1. From what I`ve seen so far, James Clarke and Billy Bodin look well off the pace at this level. It wasn`t just the goals yesterday; Rochdale, the bottom club in the division, looked much more comfortable on the ball and found far more space for themselves, than we did. We were very lucky that we were only one goal adrift at half time. I felt quite relieved that we`d managed to get a point, come the final whistle. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 11, 2016 11:22:43 GMT
Showed it on the football last night,only one viewing but didn't look much of a shove Matty. Would have liked to have seen it again to be fair. I sit where the shove could be best seen and it was a real shove - but Taylor feins a push to often so refs dismiss his claims now - cut it out Matty and when it is genuine refs might give it. Unfortunately Harrison is now copying and refs have noted that too. It must be said, he doesn't help himself. Nothing wrong with giving the ref a hand in seeing that you have been fouled when you have actually been fouled, but you need to do it well, and MT doesn't. |
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