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Post by chippenhamgas on Oct 2, 2016 12:01:16 GMT
Excellent post, shame it isn't sticky'd. There is a reason we have such a good team spirit/mentality, and with such a big squad of first team standard players, and that is how DC does things. And he gets results, from those same players that struggled at the start of the season in the Conference. Or in Bodin, Moore, Gaffney etc cases players that struggled at other clubs. So much of how a team performs at these levels is organisation and team effort/mentality, because many teams don't have the consistency and will go missing in certain games (such as many of ours since 2001). Considering where we were three years ago, and what we could of ended up with, we are so lucky to have the current board and management, we have hit the jackpot. I may disagree at times, but it's great to trust them with the decisions knowing they will get most right. Onwards and upwards It does concern me though that we may be doing a little too well to early in the season. With teams like derby and villa struggling in the championship ,would DC or the club be able to resist their knocking on the door ? I hope DC sees the off the field improvements with staff,facilities and a new stadium being closer ,alongside a squad he has built and a fan base and board that'get' his way of doing things as enough to continue the project. That the prospect of starting from scratch at a new club which has problems ,disgruntled fans and maybe not the tolerance for him to set in place his methods. As a reason not to be tempted away. DC would find it extremely difficult to replicate what he is doing here elsewhere. For a start a club like villa would expect instant results, also would he command the respect of the squad he was taking over. He has the respect of all the players here and carefully adds to the squad players he believes he can work with. At a big club desperate for success he will be given a cheque book and expected to make big money signings and make that work. Not really sure that's his style. As long as off the field progress is on track and we are on course for uwe 2018 i see no reason for seeking another club to fulfill his ambitions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 12:01:18 GMT
i actually think dc is a manager ahead of his time,squad rotation,different formations,offering contracts for promotion,making any new player work bloody hard to get a start its all innovative at this level as i see it.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 2, 2016 12:06:16 GMT
Towards the end of both seasons he does begin to settle the team- particularly at home. I think the deal keeps everyone involved it means should we suffer injuries or suspensions- replacements aren't so much stiff debuties, but first teamers- who'll have started at least 10 games or so. But by the end of the season- he keeps it going simply because it's the business end. The change of players for the Stevenage game last season suggests otherwise! Perhaps somebody could ask DC at this weeks Q&A, if they are brave enough, why he seems to favour starting with 5-3-2 away from home when 4-4-2 also seems most effective at scoring goals/winning games.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 2, 2016 12:19:48 GMT
last season i said in a weird post before the season started "we will get promoted" now im saying we will at least be in the play-offs. there is something about our manager and group of players that is impossible to work out ie just how far can they go ?? well ive had a look at us and we will be in the play-offs at least in my opinion. any thoughts? I love your optimism 1973 and from everyone else. There's nothing like a good away win to make everyone happy esp after another good performance last Tuesday when we were unlucky. It's great to see us doing so well but there's a long way to go yet and this league is far better than League 2 where we won't get some of the poor teams of last season. I just hope we concentrate on the next match, win that one and move on. Last season from Feb onwards the thought of putting together that end of season run would have been pie in the sky but by just thinking about winning the next match and then moving on meant it happened. This season, why not again, but we must keep our feet on the ground and play it one match at a time. The next match is always the most important match of the season! I think DC does that, doesn't get carried away by a win, never thinks he has just one best team, he changes things and has lots of systems to such an extent that other managers can't plan for it. COYB! UTG!
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Post by mariobalotelli on Oct 2, 2016 12:23:39 GMT
Worth noting we're only 4 points above relegation.
I know we've played most the top 11 or whatever, and so 7th is great but 11 games in is far too early and the table will look completely different come May. Let's leave DC to setting high expectations, I'm happy with staying up and building on it next year.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Oct 2, 2016 12:40:01 GMT
last season i said in a weird post before the season started "we will get promoted" now im saying we will at least be in the play-offs. there is something about our manager and group of players that is impossible to work out ie just how far can they go ?? well ive had a look at us and we will be in the play-offs at least in my opinion. any thoughts? I love your optimism 1973 and from everyone else. There's nothing like a good away win to make everyone happy esp after another good performance last Tuesday when we were unlucky. It's great to see us doing so well but there's a long way to go yet and this league is far better than League 2 where we won't get some of the poor teams of last season. I just hope we concentrate on the next match, win that one and move on. Last season from Feb onwards the thought of putting together that end of season run would have been pie in the sky but by just thinking about winning the next match and then moving on meant it happened. This season, why not again, but we must keep our feet on the ground and play it one match at a time. The next match is always the most important match of the season! I think DC does that, doesn't get carried away by a win, never thinks he has just one best team, he changes things and has lots of systems to such an extent that other managers can't plan for it. COYB! UTG! We seen to be adjusting far quicker to league one than we did to league two.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 2, 2016 12:54:05 GMT
Yes, I probably agree with you Chippenham because I was at the Newport home match in mid October and the Stevenage match in mid November as well! And I think you are right we seem to have adjusted better than we did before last Christmas overall. UTG!
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Post by Icegas on Oct 2, 2016 13:10:55 GMT
What is happening at our club is what dreams are made of.
We have a rich owner that "gets us" who is full of personality and charm and not just like the boring rich owners that you never see.We have WITHOUT QUESTION our greatest EVER manager in charge that loves our club and wants to build us up from the ground up.We have a group of players that are talented and play for the shirt.
I think we have as good of a chance as anyone to finish in the top six and with this team the top two is not of of reach.Should be a 11,000 plus crowd at the Mem for the Gillingham match.
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Post by markczgas on Oct 2, 2016 13:12:42 GMT
This is the benefit of the tinkering approach. In a normal rovers situation the fans and players get used to the same 13 or maybe 14 players starting games week in week out...and whilst there may be positives to this...the positives of playing the tinkerman way are... No complacency in the squad.Encourages more collective goals as everyone is involved. Makes it more of an issue for opposing teams to get briefs on who and how the team will play. Everyone becomes accustomed to many many players, in the normal setup if a regular is injured or suspended it's oh no how will the team cope hope we don't lose this game mentality. In the tinkerman approach all players are familiar so an injury or suspension means very little to the psychology of players or fans. Most teams in this league have 11 first team players,7 substitute players and a fair few fringe and inexperienced youth players.DC has 20+ first team players and some inexperienced youth players.Across a season that gives BRFC a big advantage. Substitutes at BRFC are not seen as weakening the first team through necessity due to tiredness or injury ,they are seen as continuing the effectiveness of the team or improving it. People groan at the..oh another 3 or 5 or whatever changes but seriously on the bigger picture what has that approach achieved ? Two promotions and currently a squad sitting in a very comfortable league position so far. Don't take for granted how difficult it can be first season after promotion look how BCFC struggled to stay in the championship last season desperately trying to stay out of the relegation zone all season. Where will BRFC finish the season ?..who knows . What I do know is that a relegated team generally gets about one point a game on average and it's said 50 pts will be enough to stay up on average seasons. One point a game..or relegation form from now on....will see BRFC end the season on 51pts. So theoretically BRFC are almost safe from relegation already . A lot of valid points but it still masks the fact that we have been behind in an awful lot of games. There may well be games coming up soon where we won't go 1 down but 2 down before we really get going and then I doubt we will pick up points. Yesterday's starting line-up was another weird one for me. When I saw it I thought where are the wide men ?? No Montano, Moore or Bodin. Come the 2nd half, DC chucks on 2. The pitch is there to be used in all its dimensions and there have been a few games this season - Rochdale springs to mind where we have had no width and the opposition have really stretched us out there. I can only think DC is trying to keep things tight and then change things later. I do remember last season he did use 4-4 -2 pretty much for the last 10 games or so. maybe he'll do something similar this season if we are in contention.
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Post by markczgas on Oct 2, 2016 13:15:53 GMT
Loved DCs comment that he's challenged his team to get 10 away wins this season - ambition !!! We haven't been used to that for quite a long time.
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Post by rambo on Oct 2, 2016 13:32:40 GMT
Loved DCs comment that he's challenged his team to get 10 away wins this season - ambition !!! We haven't been used to that for quite a long time. Was just going to mention this. 10 away wins is 30 points. You'd be looking at more than matching that at home but even to match it is another 30 points and chuck in your standard of 10 or so draws a season and that's top 6! Certainly highlights Clarkes ambition this season and it's amazing to see he hasn't set a target of staying up but wants to push on further.
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Post by Strange Gas on Oct 2, 2016 14:03:03 GMT
Worth noting we're only 4 points above relegation. I know we've played most the top 11 or whatever, and so 7th is great but 11 games in is far too early and the table will look completely different come May. Let's leave DC to setting high expectations, I'm happy with staying up and building on it next year. Yep, I just clocked that. Only 4 points between being 7th and 21st at present. Must be closer than usual? Shows how tight it is, and how much things are likely to change about. I never worry about table for at least 10 games and probably need to wait a few more this season to see how things are looking, but let's keep looking up and keep this up.
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Post by pucklegas on Oct 2, 2016 15:09:26 GMT
DC is a master of keeping all the squad happy, however I would like a settled defence, think we will be close to the play- offs, who would have thought we would be saying this, not long ago we were crying after losing to Mansfield!
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Post by youmadethatup on Oct 2, 2016 15:39:02 GMT
This is the benefit of the tinkering approach. In a normal rovers situation the fans and players get used to the same 13 or maybe 14 players starting games week in week out...and whilst there may be positives to this...the positives of playing the tinkerman way are... No complacency in the squad.Encourages more collective goals as everyone is involved. Makes it more of an issue for opposing teams to get briefs on who and how the team will play. Everyone becomes accustomed to many many players, in the normal setup if a regular is injured or suspended it's oh no how will the team cope hope we don't lose this game mentality. In the tinkerman approach all players are familiar so an injury or suspension means very little to the psychology of players or fans. Most teams in this league have 11 first team players,7 substitute players and a fair few fringe and inexperienced youth players.DC has 20+ first team players and some inexperienced youth players.Across a season that gives BRFC a big advantage. Substitutes at BRFC are not seen as weakening the first team through necessity due to tiredness or injury ,they are seen as continuing the effectiveness of the team or improving it. People groan at the..oh another 3 or 5 or whatever changes but seriously on the bigger picture what has that approach achieved ? Two promotions and currently a squad sitting in a very comfortable league position so far. Don't take for granted how difficult it can be first season after promotion look how BCFC struggled to stay in the championship last season desperately trying to stay out of the relegation zone all season. Where will BRFC finish the season ?..who knows . What I do know is that a relegated team generally gets about one point a game on average and it's said 50 pts will be enough to stay up on average seasons. One point a game..or relegation form from now on....will see BRFC end the season on 51pts. So theoretically BRFC are almost safe from relegation already . A lot of valid points but it still masks the fact that we have been behind in an awful lot of games. There may well be games coming up soon where we won't go 1 down but 2 down before we really get going and then I doubt we will pick up points. Yesterday's starting line-up was another weird one for me. When I saw it I thought where are the wide men ?? No Montano, Moore or Bodin. Come the 2nd half, DC chucks on 2. The pitch is there to be used in all its dimensions and there have been a few games this season - Rochdale springs to mind where we have had no width and the opposition have really stretched us out there. I can only think DC is trying to keep things tight and then change things later. I do remember last season he did use 4-4 -2 pretty much for the last 10 games or so. maybe he'll do something similar this season if we are in contention. To a degree psychology plays a part. Once you start establishing within the division that once you start to score you go on to win...other teams start approaching the game differently. They become more wary of conceding goals...and so play more defence minded. With the other team more wary of attacking it allows the freedom of playing a more attack minded set up. To get to this stage though you have to earn it ,grind out those results earlier on. I think DC prefers to start with his most defensive set up and then get more attacking as the game goes on and the space and mistakes creep into the opposition's game. The option of starting attacking and then becoming more defensive doesn't appeal to him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 21:47:29 GMT
last season i said in a weird post before the season started "we will get promoted" now im saying we will at least be in the play-offs. there is something about our manager and group of players that is impossible to work out ie just how far can they go ?? well ive had a look at us and we will be in the play-offs at least in my opinion. any thoughts? I love your optimism 1973 and from everyone else. There's nothing like a good away win to make everyone happy esp after another good performance last Tuesday when we were unlucky. It's great to see us doing so well but there's a long way to go yet and this league is far better than League 2 where we won't get some of the poor teams of last season. I just hope we concentrate on the next match, win that one and move on. Last season from Feb onwards the thought of putting together that end of season run would have been pie in the sky but by just thinking about winning the next match and then moving on meant it happened. This season, why not again, but we must keep our feet on the ground and play it one match at a time. The next match is always the most important match of the season! I think DC does that, doesn't get carried away by a win, never thinks he has just one best team, he changes things and has lots of systems to such an extent that other managers can't plan for it. COYB! UTG! totally agree with you and im sure the manager and the team wont be getting carried away but its ok to get a bit carried away as a fan sometimes i think
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Post by Captain Jayho on Oct 3, 2016 4:21:23 GMT
Still very early in the season but we're travelling pretty well so far and credit to DC, the players and Wael for getting us to this point after so many tough fixtures. I can't help thinking back to all of the backhanded patronising 'compliments' from our ted friends after both of our promotions - well done but you'll find the next division up a lot more difficult and you'll probably struggle. Good old Dopey DC - smashing that little myth out of the ballpark two seasons in a row and all on a shoestring budget...
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Post by Quartermaster on Oct 3, 2016 5:24:08 GMT
I think it is doing DC an injustice to describe what he's doing as "tinkering". We need to stop being frustrated at playing a different starting XI each game as if he is on some seemingly never ending quest for the ultimate formation/combination of players. I don't think he is. He has a large squad that he needs to keep happy, he is getting us used to playing different ways in case a game/injury calls for it, he is making it very difficult for opposition teams to know how will set up. He's building flexibility into the squad which (while it doesn't seem to be damaging team spirit) can only be a good thing. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 3, 2016 7:34:49 GMT
I love your optimism 1973 and from everyone else. There's nothing like a good away win to make everyone happy esp after another good performance last Tuesday when we were unlucky. It's great to see us doing so well but there's a long way to go yet and this league is far better than League 2 where we won't get some of the poor teams of last season. I just hope we concentrate on the next match, win that one and move on. Last season from Feb onwards the thought of putting together that end of season run would have been pie in the sky but by just thinking about winning the next match and then moving on meant it happened. This season, why not again, but we must keep our feet on the ground and play it one match at a time. The next match is always the most important match of the season! I think DC does that, doesn't get carried away by a win, never thinks he has just one best team, he changes things and has lots of systems to such an extent that other managers can't plan for it. COYB! UTG! totally agree with you and im sure the manager and the team wont be getting carried away but its ok to get a bit carried away as a fan sometimes i think Correct. It's the fans getting a bit carried away that will get 11,500 into the Mem!
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