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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 6, 2016 10:10:41 GMT
When are people going to realise that boycotting games has done NOTHING to alter the views of the idiots at the top of the game we love. All it has done has ensured that we have 2 points instead of six because playing in front of a small crowd at home evens the game up. The best way of proving a point was for the League sides to knock each and every one of the Under 23 sides out at the first count. Nonsense.
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Post by readinggas on Oct 6, 2016 12:30:12 GMT
Does anyone know what the technicalities of admission to this trophy are? Is it something that teams can simply refuse to enter without sanction? I'm recalling the Intertoto cup back in the day, where plenty of teams simply refused to participate as it was such a farce.
If Rovers, Luton, Bradford, Plymouth, Wimbledon and other well-supported teams who are clearly against this rule change start threatening to pull out of the competition entirely, it'd kill this nonsense stone dead.
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Post by Staffordshire Gas on Oct 6, 2016 13:22:20 GMT
Stoke City on local radio to-day saying how important this competition is for them to develop their younger players!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by mariobalotelli on Oct 6, 2016 13:23:32 GMT
Everton started a foreign player they purchased for 13.5M. Not sure how that's helping produce quality English players.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Oct 6, 2016 13:40:46 GMT
Stoke City on local radio to-day saying how important this competition is for them to develop their younger players!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With a certain Charlie Adam (age 30) scoring for their U23's Tuesday night!
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Post by Bill Bones on Oct 6, 2016 15:32:52 GMT
Stoke City on local radio to-day saying how important this competition is for them to develop their younger players!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With a certain Charlie Adam (age 30) scoring for their U23's Tuesday night! Absolutely beggars belief. You couldn't write it.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 6, 2016 20:41:13 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 6, 2016 20:59:55 GMT
Does anyone know what the technicalities of admission to this trophy are? Is it something that teams can simply refuse to enter without sanction? I'm recalling the Intertoto cup back in the day, where plenty of teams simply refused to participate as it was such a farce. If Rovers, Luton, Bradford, Plymouth, Wimbledon and other well-supported teams who are clearly against this rule change start threatening to pull out of the competition entirely, it'd kill this nonsense stone dead. That's another "quirk" of the Trophy Man U etc could say they didn't want to enter teams but Rovers apparently had no choice or they'd face a fine, but why didn't the likes of Pompey & Rovers etc all just join together and boycott the Trophy, the EFL would really look even more worse than they do now if they'd try to fine several FL clubs?
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Post by Jomo on Oct 7, 2016 0:15:26 GMT
Everything reasonable that I could say has already been said, so I can say only this... C***s. Just total and utter greedy, pompous, lying, sapping, parasitic, stupid, idiotic, ignorant c***s. The lot of them, and Shaun Harvey? I can't even think of an expletive harsh enough to describe him. Made my blood boil the other week when I heard them discussing it on Brazil, and Dominic Cork described it as a "great idea". Stoke fan of course but how ignorant can one person be?!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 7:45:38 GMT
The only way to stop this format is for the invited clubs to go through and 2 are in the final, boycott individual games by all means but they will consider this a success unless the above happens, its a pilot after all.
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Post by peterparker on Oct 7, 2016 8:35:26 GMT
The Prem Clubs already have PL2 which is for U23s and allows x no of overage players. What does 3 or 4 extra games against the likes of us actually achieve?
Either PL2 is full of kids fannying about not getting kicked or it is the proper bridge they want.
in the FLT they either waltz past league 2 cloggers which benefits them how? or they might get kicked a bit
I have no idea in what way their involvement benefits anyone.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 7, 2016 8:40:00 GMT
The only way to stop this format is for the invited clubs to go through and 2 are in the final, boycott individual games by all means but they will consider this a success unless the above happens, its a pilot after all. Sorry I'm not sure I follow that at all? How exactly would 2 B-teams getting to the final help to stop the format continuing? Surely it would give it more reason to continue as the invited teams achieved success in it? Shaun Harvey: "the success of Reading U23's and Leicester U23's has given us great pleasure that our objectives have been met, and consequently we have decided to continue the format into next season and are excited about the future success of development squads in competitive action."
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Post by Jomo on Oct 7, 2016 8:41:53 GMT
The Prem Clubs already have PL2 which is for U23s and allows x no of overage players. What does 3 or 4 extra games against the likes of us actually achieve? Either PL2 is full of kids fannying about not getting kicked or it is the proper bridge they want. in the FLT they either waltz past league 2 cloggers which benefits them how? or they might get kicked a bit I have no idea in what way their involvement benefits anyone. And besides when over-age foreign players are making up the numbers, it is even more nonsensical.
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Post by peterparker on Oct 7, 2016 8:43:32 GMT
The only way to stop this format is for the invited clubs to go through and 2 are in the final, boycott individual games by all means but they will consider this a success unless the above happens, its a pilot after all. Sorry I'm not sure I follow that at all? How exactly would 2 B-teams getting to the final help to stop the format continuing? Surely it would give it more reason to continue as the invited teams achieved success in it? Shaun Harvey: "the success of Reading U23's and Leicester U23's has given us great pleasure that our objectives have been met, and consequently we have decided to continue the format into next season and are excited about the future success of development squads in competitive action." As it was a 1 year trial, wont the clubs have to vote again to actually confirm the change?
If more clubs vote against it after the debacle, how will Harvey get what he wants?
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Post by Jomo on Oct 7, 2016 8:46:58 GMT
Sorry I'm not sure I follow that at all? How exactly would 2 B-teams getting to the final help to stop the format continuing? Surely it would give it more reason to continue as the invited teams achieved success in it? Shaun Harvey: "the success of Reading U23's and Leicester U23's has given us great pleasure that our objectives have been met, and consequently we have decided to continue the format into next season and are excited about the future success of development squads in competitive action." As it was a 1 year trial, wont the clubs have to vote again to actually confirm the change?
If more clubs vote against it after the debacle, how will Harvey get what he wants?
True but that also worries me. Some clubs worse off than us could potentially vote in favour if the incentives (or is "bribes" or more appropriate word?) from the EFL/PL/FA outweigh the losses in gate receipts.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Oct 7, 2016 8:55:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 9:16:31 GMT
The only way to stop this format is for the invited clubs to go through and 2 are in the final, boycott individual games by all means but they will consider this a success unless the above happens, its a pilot after all. Sorry I'm not sure I follow that at all? How exactly would 2 B-teams getting to the final help to stop the format continuing? Surely it would give it more reason to continue as the invited teams achieved success in it? Shaun Harvey: "the success of Reading U23's and Leicester U23's has given us great pleasure that our objectives have been met, and consequently we have decided to continue the format into next season and are excited about the future success of development squads in competitive action."
Harvey has said as much;
"If we end up with two invited clubs in the final, rather than two of our own, the chances of the pilot continuing beyond this year in this format would probably be slim"
It doesn't mean it wont be dicked around with again in some other way though.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 7, 2016 9:23:36 GMT
Sorry I'm not sure I follow that at all? How exactly would 2 B-teams getting to the final help to stop the format continuing? Surely it would give it more reason to continue as the invited teams achieved success in it? Shaun Harvey: "the success of Reading U23's and Leicester U23's has given us great pleasure that our objectives have been met, and consequently we have decided to continue the format into next season and are excited about the future success of development squads in competitive action."
Harvey has said as much;
"If we end up with two invited clubs in the final, rather than two of our own, the chances of the pilot continuing beyond this year in this format would probably be slim"
It doesn't mean it wont be dicked around with again in some other way though.
Ah fair enough, I missed that. However, nobody should trust a word that comes out of that bloke's mouth.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 9:27:57 GMT
Harvey has said as much;
"If we end up with two invited clubs in the final, rather than two of our own, the chances of the pilot continuing beyond this year in this format would probably be slim"
It doesn't mean it wont be dicked around with again in some other way though.
Ah fair enough, I missed that. However, nobody should trust a word that comes out of that bloke's mouth.
Very true, if this pilot fails for them then it doesn't mean it wont be changed in some other way for the future, in fact I'm sure it probably will to bend over for the bigger clubs.
I never bothered going to games in this competition in its previous forms anyway, so I have no issues if they dropped the competition altogether and let the B sides have their own tinpot cup in front of tens of fans.
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Post by readinggas on Oct 7, 2016 9:48:54 GMT
Does anyone know what the technicalities of admission to this trophy are? Is it something that teams can simply refuse to enter without sanction? I'm recalling the Intertoto cup back in the day, where plenty of teams simply refused to participate as it was such a farce. If Rovers, Luton, Bradford, Plymouth, Wimbledon and other well-supported teams who are clearly against this rule change start threatening to pull out of the competition entirely, it'd kill this nonsense stone dead. That's another "quirk" of the Trophy Man U etc could say they didn't want to enter teams but Rovers apparently had no choice or they'd face a fine, but why didn't the likes of Pompey & Rovers etc all just join together and boycott the Trophy, the EFL would really look even more worse than they do now if they'd try to fine several FL clubs? What a regime! If teams start losing money on games, then taking the hit upfront as a fine and having extra rest days then thrown into the bargain might start to look attractive...power is in our hands.
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