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Post by markczgas on Nov 10, 2016 12:59:49 GMT
There's one thing that DC has been unable to crack and that's the big team syndrome (doing poorly against clubs who expect to be higher in the league).
Nothing new, a few years back we got hammered by Norwich, Leeds and Saints in L1 with only the very rare win or draw against such teams.
Now, the club is flying under DC, but still we don't seem to pick up many points. Last season we lost to Pompey twice and this season we've lost to Sheff Utd and Bolton.
So is DC and the players capable of changing this against the likes of Coventry and Charlton coming up and of course Millwall on Saturday ?
What do others think ? Will we get a draw/win v Millwall.
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Post by Blackbeard on Nov 10, 2016 13:11:19 GMT
Yes
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 10, 2016 13:11:49 GMT
To be fair, all those 'big' teams were above us when we played them (iirc), and the teams you mention we are yet to play, aren't.
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Post by markczgas on Nov 10, 2016 13:14:01 GMT
To be fair, all those 'big' teams were above us when we played them (iirc), and the teams you mention we are yet to play, aren't. i think you need to read what I've written again  line 3. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 10, 2016 13:28:14 GMT
To be fair, all those 'big' teams were above us when we played them (iirc), and the teams you mention we are yet to play, aren't. i think you need to read what I've written again line 3. I've read it again, but still don't get it. |
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Post by markczgas on Nov 10, 2016 13:45:33 GMT
i think you need to read what I've written again line 3. I've read it again, but still don't get it. Think you're reading too much into it. Simply, we lose to the big clubs even under DC. Why ? We are obviously now a very-well run club, have good players and a forward -thinking management team and yet we still always lose to the big clubs - Pompey, Sheff Utd and Bolton - why ? Is it DC and players show them too much respect, do our players freeze in these games, are they simply better than us (doubt it!) or is it a flook ? What do you think ? |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 10, 2016 13:50:23 GMT
I've read it again, but still don't get it. Think you're reading too much into it. Simply, we lose to the big clubs even under DC. Why ? We are obviously now a very-well run club, have good players and a forward -thinking management team and yet we still always lose to the big clubs - Pompey, Sheff Utd and Bolton - why ? Is it DC and players show them too much respect, do our players freeze in these games, are they simply better than us (doubt it!) or is it a flook ? What do you think ? All I was suggesting was that maybe we are losing to them coz when we play them they are actually better than us (ie above us), and not because we have trouble with a big name. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 13:52:29 GMT
Think there's some confusion when you say 'doing poorly against clubs who expect to be higher in the league'.
You mean in a higher division presumably. I think Antonio, as did I, thought you meant higher in the division....which seemed odd cos those teams were above us when we played them.
But yeah, I agree with the point of the post. It is frustrating. MK Dons is another example, we robbed a draw there after getting battered.
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Post by markczgas on Nov 10, 2016 13:57:07 GMT
Think there's some confusion when you say 'doing poorly against clubs who expect to be higher in the league'. You mean in a higher division presumably. I think Antonio, as did I, thought you meant higher in the division....which seemed odd cos those teams were above us when we played them. But yeah, I agree with the point of the post. It is frustrating. MK Dons is another example, we robbed a draw there after getting battered. Yeah sorry meant in a higher division - get the confusion now  . If we are going up /staying in top 6 we need to do better against these teams. Yeah MK another example. can't understand why it happens - is DC showing them too much respect ? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 14:10:43 GMT
I personally feel DC shows too much respect to the so-called bigger clubs, but hey-ho as long as we beat the rest then we are a good bet for promotion.
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Post by dexygas on Nov 10, 2016 16:07:10 GMT
There's one thing that DC has been unable to crack and that's the big team syndrome (doing poorly against clubs who expect to be higher in the league). Nothing new, a few years back we got hammered by Norwich, Leeds and Saints in L1 with only the very rare win or draw against such teams. Now, the club is flying under DC, but still we don't seem to pick up many points. Last season we lost to Pompey twice and this season we've lost to Sheff Utd and Bolton. So is DC and the players capable of changing this against the likes of Coventry and Charlton coming up and of course Millwall on Saturday ? What do others think ? Will we get a draw/win v Millwall. In my opinion we are just a big a club as Coventry or Millwall. We certainly have more paying supporters than either of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 16:33:06 GMT
Think there's some confusion when you say 'doing poorly against clubs who expect to be higher in the league'. You mean in a higher division presumably. I think Antonio, as did I, thought you meant higher in the division....which seemed odd cos those teams were above us when we played them. But yeah, I agree with the point of the post. It is frustrating. MK Dons is another example, we robbed a draw there after getting battered. MK Dons aren't a big club?? |
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Post by socrates on Nov 10, 2016 17:16:42 GMT
I've read it again, but still don't get it. Think you're reading too much into it. Simply, we lose to the big clubs even under DC. Why ? We are obviously now a very-well run club, have good players and a forward -thinking management team and yet we still always lose to the big clubs - Pompey, Sheff Utd and Bolton - why ? Is it DC and players show them too much respect, do our players freeze in these games, are they simply better than us (doubt it!) or is it a flook ? What do you think ? They way I see it is we used to beat the teams higher than us when we were underdogs and then come unstuck against the teams at the bottom it seemed like that was the Rovers way for donkeys years. These days we win a hell of a lot more than we lose to anybody. I don't think we freeze against the bigger clubs. We played well against Chelsea , Bolton , sheff Utd , Bradford ,Cardiff, for example this season. Perhaps we lost the Majority of those games because they were just better than us ? What used to water me off is how our team for so long pre -DC used to think they just had to turn up to beat the likes of Accrington and Mansfield and would then lose 1-0, it went on for years and became so predictable. Thankfully those days are gone and our players approach every game the same , fully focused and with a strong will to win. |
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Post by socrates on Nov 10, 2016 17:46:31 GMT
Think there's some confusion when you say 'doing poorly against clubs who expect to be higher in the league'. You mean in a higher division presumably. I think Antonio, as did I, thought you meant higher in the division....which seemed odd cos those teams were above us when we played them. But yeah, I agree with the point of the post. It is frustrating. MK Dons is another example, we robbed a draw there after getting battered. MK Dons aren't a big club?? They've got no history and they're a horrible franchise club ( ring any bells?) but to be fair they probably are a big club for league 1 in terms of wage budget and that they came down from the championship last season. Hopefully They'll be a big club in league 2 next year. |
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Post by 84gas on Nov 10, 2016 18:05:22 GMT
DC should have been sacked after loosing to chelsea tbf
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 10, 2016 18:24:59 GMT
From memory we only played poorly in the first half v Bolton, even then it was a deflected shot and a good free kick which cost us, not sure there's any evidence this season to support the OP's views? Pompey last season were just better than we were when we played them.
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Post by gasincider on Nov 10, 2016 19:52:02 GMT
From memory we only played poorly in the first half v Bolton, even then it was a deflected shot and a good free kick which cost us, not sure there's any evidence this season to support the OP's views? Pompey last season were just better than we were when we played them. Dead right. In fact it was our set up in the first half v Bolton that lost us the game. When we went for them second half we could and perhaps should have got something from it. As for Sheff Utd, that was the best I have seen us play in years, and I still find it unbelievable that we didn't win it, never mind drawing it. We really outplayed them, but just couldn't put the ball in the net. Purely bad luck/ finishing. Pompey, I don't care about them, it was Accrington twice that bugged me. |
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Post by markczgas on Nov 10, 2016 19:57:56 GMT
From memory we only played poorly in the first half v Bolton, even then it was a deflected shot and a good free kick which cost us, not sure there's any evidence this season to support the OP's views? Pompey last season were just better than we were when we played them. The evidence is we lost the games (even though most posters have been saying that NO team has been better than us). Can we beat the big clubs in our division ? I agree with one poster who said that DC shows too much respect. Perhaps he'll change things the second time we play them. Would be nice to turn over these "big" clubs TWICE sometimes. Maybe that'll start v Millwall on Saturday although I think we'll lose it. |
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Post by singupgas on Nov 10, 2016 20:50:32 GMT
From memory we only played poorly in the first half v Bolton, even then it was a deflected shot and a good free kick which cost us, not sure there's any evidence this season to support the OP's views? Pompey last season were just better than we were when we played them. Dead right. In fact it was our set up in the first half v Bolton that lost us the game. When we went for them second half we could and perhaps should have got something from it. As for Sheff Utd, that was the best I have seen us play in years, and I still find it unbelievable that we didn't win it, never mind drawing it. We really outplayed them, but just couldn't put the ball in the net. Purely bad luck/ finishing. Pompey, I don't care about them, it was Accrington twice that bugged me. Yup Sheff Utd game despite the result, we played our best football in a long time. Still cant believe he cant get more time on the pitch, Boateng was outstanding that night. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 10, 2016 20:59:05 GMT
From memory we only played poorly in the first half v Bolton, even then it was a deflected shot and a good free kick which cost us, not sure there's any evidence this season to support the OP's views? Pompey last season were just better than we were when we played them. The evidence is we lost the games (even though most posters have been saying that NO team has been better than us). Can we beat the big clubs in our division ? I agree with one poster who said that DC shows too much respect. Perhaps he'll change things the second time we play them. Would be nice to turn over these "big" clubs TWICE sometimes. Maybe that'll start v Millwall on Saturday although I think we'll lose it. Surely showing them respect is working as apart from the earlier season against Bolton we've at least matched all the big clubs, seems to me you're trying to make a point which is not supported by the facts, of the bigger clubs we've played this season, Bolton, Sheff Utd, MK Dons & Cardiff, only Bolton deserved to beat us. I guess you only feel Millwall will win on Saturday as you think they are a bigger club, as their league position doesn't suggest they'll be that strong. |
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