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Post by Okebournegas on Dec 4, 2016 21:26:53 GMT
Love how posters on here are now saying how bad the majority of our squad is yet if we win on Saturday and results go our way we could be in the playoffs !!!! Yes we've been sh**e for a few games and we are certainly enduring a sticky patch which does warrant us as fans to get irritated and frustrated but posts suggesting that lines , brown , leadbitter and Lockyer arent up to league one standard is well wide of the mark and quite frankly embarrassing! Not so long ago fans were saying how this was the best squad we've ever had !!!!
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 4, 2016 21:34:55 GMT
But isn't DC just adding to that with his post match comments? As he was clearly referring to the 14 players who appeared today when he was talking about replacing them in January, rather than fringe players like Gosling? Not sure if he's just trying to motivate them or he's being serious, if the latter then it'll be an interesting end to 2016!
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Post by Strange Gas on Dec 4, 2016 21:43:12 GMT
But isn't DC just adding to that with his post match comments? As he was clearly referring to the 14 players who appeared today when he was talking about replacing them in January, rather than fringe players like Gosling? Not sure if he's just trying to motivate them or he's being serious, if the latter then it'll be an interesting end to 2016! Bang on, he was unhappy with some or all of those 14 who it seems will not be making team sheet once he has better alternatives. Not clear which ones but was pretty unequivocal
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Post by oldgas on Dec 4, 2016 21:43:19 GMT
We were utter sh1te today, as a collective. Amateur defending. This is going to be D C's acid test. Will he be able to sign the players needed?
His record with the likes of Blisset, James, Roos, Hartley et al make me wonder.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 21:52:07 GMT
Love how posters on here are now saying how bad the majority of our squad is yet if we win on Saturday and results go our way we could be in the playoffs !!!! Yes we've been sh**e for a few games and we are certainly enduring a sticky patch which does warrant us as fans to get irritated and frustrated but posts suggesting that lines , brown , leadbitter and Lockyer arent up to league one standard is well wide of the mark and quite frankly embarrassing! Not so long ago fans were saying how this was the best squad we've ever had !!!! Embarrassing is an understate mate. A bit like the Rovers defending all season. We are a mid table side/squad and that is where I think we will finish this season,which is fine by me and a hell of an achievement with this squad. Quite a few players will be moved on/come in in January / end of season which will be job done and push on next season. A question for you: is gaschat OTIB in disguise
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Post by paulpirate on Dec 4, 2016 22:00:39 GMT
He must be promised a lot of money if he's replacing half the squad,always thought we need 4 or 5 quality players to be right up there Think DC was more embarrassed than anything today,if I was to lose someone close to me but still go into work and was treated like he was today I would be fuming You can talk about formations etc but that team he put out today should be putting barrow to the sword every day
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Post by Okebournegas on Dec 4, 2016 22:00:46 GMT
I agree we have been awful of late but surely our good form was going to come to an end and we would have to endure weeks like this? Yes we need to strengthen in January but radical changes aren't needed in my opinion and from what I've read on here today people seem to think a complete overhaul is needed , this is the best group of players I have known supporting the gas and some of the drivel on here at times really wateres me off, a few tweaks here and there and we will be fine. I'm no rose tinter but wholesale changes would kill the spirit that this squad has built over the past couple of years.
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Post by Okebournegas on Dec 4, 2016 22:09:30 GMT
We were utter sh1te today, as a collective. Amateur defending. This is going to be D C's acid test. Will he be able to sign the players needed? His record with the likes of Blisset, James, Roos, Hartley et al make me wonder. blissett played a part in us gaining promotion to the football league , James hasn't had enough game time to be judged , Roos has to constantly deal with an ever changing back line and personally I think he's reasonably good keeper I think he just needs someone to compete with to keep him on his toes, Hartley for me is a bit hit and miss at times for me but generally think he's ok .
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 4, 2016 22:16:01 GMT
Plus apart from the likes of Locks & Brown DC's signed virtually the whole squad, you sense his biggest mistake was not telling the likes of Mansell & Gosling they needed to find new club's in the summer (even if he had to offer them new contracts) thereby allowing him to bring in more new players.
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Post by gregsy on Dec 4, 2016 22:16:27 GMT
if we had started shitly then it wouldn't be a problem now....
sadly, two successive promotions and a strong start to the season distort reality....
we are at a level where the challenge is huge, don't make Darrell and the boys feel as if they're victims of their own success....
we'll be ok....
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Post by Captain Jayho on Dec 4, 2016 23:06:19 GMT
if we had started shitly then it wouldn't be a problem now.... sadly, two successive promotions and a strong start to the season distort reality.... we are at a level where the challenge is huge, don't make Darrell and the boys feel as if they're victims of their own success.... we'll be ok.... Exactly. Wael has consistently said that we are ahead of the curve in terms of the overall plan but unfortunately the standards have been set so high now that anything other than challenging for promotion seems to induce total meltdown. Yes, it looks like we are in a bit of a mess after the last few results but whilst we'd all love to see promotion again a mid-table finish would still be a good achievement after two successive promotions. DC and the team are clearly having a sticky patch but I'd back him to get us out of it. We competed adequately earlier in the season so no reason why we can't continue to do so.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Dec 4, 2016 23:40:21 GMT
We were utter sh1te today, as a collective. Amateur defending. This is going to be D C's acid test. Will he be able to sign the players needed? His record with the likes of Blisset, James, Roos, Hartley et al make me wonder.Really? So are we overlooking the fact that DC cleared out the L2 relegation side and re-built it with a squad of players who went on two win us two successive promotions, just because he's made a few dodgy signings? (Name a manager who gets every signing right, btw). Are we just forgetting about Taylor, Sinclair, Leadbitter, Lines, Mansell et al?
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Post by Icegas on Dec 5, 2016 4:13:06 GMT
We were utter sh1te today, as a collective. Amateur defending. This is going to be D C's acid test. Will he be able to sign the players needed? His record with the likes of Blisset, James, Roos, Hartley et al make me wonder. Uh are you having a laugh? The guy has given us two promotions in a row and signed more than have of that squad to do this yet his record makes you wonder....?😔 Only cash outlay DC has made was on blisset and he played an important part in our conference season but was clearly only a stop gap for that season.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 8:03:58 GMT
We were utter sh1te today, as a collective. Amateur defending. This is going to be D C's acid test. Will he be able to sign the players needed? His record with the likes of Blisset, James, Roos, Hartley et al make me wonder. Uh are you having a laugh? The guy has given us two promotions in a row and signed more than have of that squad to do this yet his record makes you wonder....?😔 Only cash outlay DC has made was on blisset and he played an important part in our conference season but was clearly only a stop gap for that season. Icegas won't meltdown
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Post by rambo on Dec 5, 2016 8:25:24 GMT
This is the problem with 2 and a bit years of success with pretty much no bad spells in that time. We've always regrouped after a defeat or two previously.
News flash for the muppets on this forum who are grossly overreacting: football teams have bad runs!! It's amazing isn't it, who would've thought it?! I know we have got used to success but my god its league 1 not bloody Sunday league.
Yesterday was rubbish but it's happened every season in the cup so why are we surprised? Barrow weren't great but they are no mugs and confidence was high on their big day out.
Calling for mass clear out is wide of the mark imo. We still need a squad of players and most of them are good enough as squad players. Just 2 or 3 quality signings needed, and that imo is for a play off push! If we made no signings in Jan I think we'd finish mid table which would be an excellent achievement still. People need to get a grip.
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Post by faggotygas on Dec 5, 2016 8:30:41 GMT
We were utter sh1te today, as a collective. Amateur defending. This is going to be D C's acid test. Will he be able to sign the players needed? His record with the likes of Blisset, James, Roos, Hartley et al make me wonder. Lets hope we don't get Alex Ferguson in to replace DC. Supposed to have been a good manager, but his record with the likes of Anderson, Bebe, Kleberson, Taibi, Djemba-Djemba, Veron and all makes me wonder.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 9:36:21 GMT
We were utter sh1te today, as a collective. Amateur defending. This is going to be D C's acid test. Will he be able to sign the players needed? His record with the likes of Blisset, James, Roos, Hartley et al make me wonder.Really? So are we overlooking the fact that DC cleared out the L2 relegation side and re-built it with a squad of players who went on two win us two successive promotions, just because he's made a few dodgy signings? (Name a manager who gets every signing right, btw). Are we just forgetting about Taylor, Sinclair, Leadbitter, Lines, Mansell et al? I once listened to Sir Alex talk about signing players, and he reckons he got it right about 65% of the time, and that's from a manager who was the greatest manager in British football and he had a scouting network that we can only dream about!
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Post by ipswichrover on Dec 5, 2016 9:45:21 GMT
Our progress has, to an extent, been built on confidence and team spirit rather than having the best players. Recent results won't have helped confidence and (whatever DC says) the continual changing of the squad won't have helped team spirit. Our manager can misjudge things. When he took over, he shook things up and...we got relegated. Not long ago he was predicting the January transfer window would see few changes, now he is implying the opposite.
I have missed the last two home games, but I am not sure there has been some recent sudden change. We gained some lucky points earlier in the season. People focussed on great last minute fight backs, forgetting that for parts of some games, we had struggled. If we had been 5 nil down at half time at MK Dons, we couldn't have complained, yet we got a point. Equally, I thought 0-4 wasn't a fair reflection of play at Millwall. We have also put up some good performances against the better teams in the division, even if we narrowly lost, such as at Sheffield Utd.
For me, if there is some crisis, it is in team spirit and confidence, which would be helped by having, particularly in defence, a more settled team. Our manager may now have more idea of where he needs to strengthen, but I don't believe we have gone from having a squad that didn't need to fear any team a few weeks ago to having one that is suddenly useless. From what I have seen, we have a reasonable mid table squad, that needs stability and strengthening here and there to ensure we comfortably stay up, which was always my realistic hope for this season.
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Post by rambo on Dec 5, 2016 11:36:12 GMT
Our progress has, to an extent, been built on confidence and team spirit rather than having the best players. Recent results won't have helped confidence and (whatever DC says) the continual changing of the squad won't have helped team spirit. Our manager can misjudge things. When he took over, he shook things up and...we got relegated. Not long ago he was predicting the January transfer window would see few changes, now he is implying the opposite. I have missed the last two home games, but I am not sure there has been some recent sudden change. We gained some lucky points earlier in the season. People focussed on great last minute fight backs, forgetting that for parts of some games, we had struggled. If we had been 5 nil down at half time at MK Dons, we couldn't have complained, yet we got a point. Equally, I thought 0-4 wasn't a fair reflection of play at Millwall. We have also put up some good performances against the better teams in the division, even if we narrowly lost, such as at Sheffield Utd. For me, if there is some crisis, it is in team spirit and confidence, which would be helped by having, particularly in defence, a more settled team. Our manager may now have more idea of where he needs to strengthen, but I don't believe we have gone from having a squad that didn't need to fear any team a few weeks ago to having one that is suddenly useless. From what I have seen, we have a reasonable mid table squad, that needs stability and strengthening here and there to ensure we comfortably stay up, which was always my realistic hope for this season. If you weren't at the last two home games how can you comment that we couldn't complain at 5-0 half time? In actual fact, their keeper kept their score at 0 and roos had very little to do bar pick the ball out of his net twice. Second half, different story, but people who say we didn't at least compete with Charlton in the first half have very selective memories. 2-0 was flattering on them at half time and if it had been level or even us a goal up I don't think Charlton could have complained. That's the problem though, people remember what they want to remember - in times of defeat we remember the bad things - again, yesterday, on the balance of play we had the better chances but you'd have thought we got battered by barrow the way people are on. Conversely though people remember the good when things go well - like you say we gained lucky points and people forget we probably should have lost a lot more of those games - mk dons away anyone? On balance, we probably are where we deserve to be, we've just gone about getting the points in a bit of a strange manner!
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Post by oldgas on Dec 5, 2016 15:33:48 GMT
We were utter sh1te today, as a collective. Amateur defending. This is going to be D C's acid test. Will he be able to sign the players needed? His record with the likes of Blisset, James, Roos, Hartley et al make me wonder.Really? So are we overlooking the fact that DC cleared out the L2 relegation side and re-built it with a squad of players who went on two win us two successive promotions, just because he's made a few dodgy signings? (Name a manager who gets every signing right, btw). Are we just forgetting about Taylor, Sinclair, Leadbitter, Lines, Mansell et al? The players DC signed after the relegation were hardly a risk were they? he was signing players who were proven at that level and could be confidently expected to do well .. Now we're in league one its proved more of a challenge for him to sign players to improve us at that level. I would suggest his signings since promotion from the Conference have been hit and miss. Mostly miss, especially in the goalie department.
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