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Post by pucklegas on Dec 20, 2016 12:20:05 GMT
"i dont think wael gave the manager a decent playing budget" isn't not thinking one of your problems? Basically you've no idea what budget Wael gave DC, do you feel DC is lying when he says Wael's always backed him when it comes to signing players? Would DC have even remained at Rovers if Wael was only giving him a poor budget to spend? Perhaps DC himself decided he didn't want to rock the boat by paying high wages to a couple of new players but not the existing players, so kept all the wages low as he wanted to give them a chance of proving themselves at an higher level. DC's not suggested anywhere he won't have sufficient money to spend in January, in fact he's suggesting the opposite. The most sensible post of the month, not the other drivel and conjecture
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 13:52:57 GMT
january isnt a great time to patch up a team but lets see what happens. You just can't answer the question can you? DC is on record as saying the absolute opposite of the bollocks you are peddling but you still keep digging your hole searching for your credibility. either dc is lying about the low budget or wael isnt giving him enough money,its one or the other,the signings would suggest the latter. dc has to say the owner is supporting him. every time you reply to me or post on a thread of mine your verbally abusive. i have different opinions to you,so what? try and articulate your posts aimed at me instead of acting like a street thug.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 13:57:52 GMT
You just can't answer the question can you? DC is on record as saying the absolute opposite of the bollocks you are peddling but you still keep digging your hole searching for your credibility. either dc is lying about the low budget or wael isnt giving him enough money,its one or the other,the signings would suggest the latter. dc has to say the owner is supporting him. every time you reply to me or post on a thread of mine your verbally abusive. i have different opinions to you,so what? try and articulate your posts aimed at me instead of acting like a street thug. Whoa Cowboy. Verbally abusive you say.......yet you suggest that the manager is telling lies? What you are saying is not based on any facts, just your opinion, so may I kindly suggest you refrain from suggesting that people are telling lies.
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Post by gasincider on Dec 20, 2016 14:24:25 GMT
The squad from last season were given an increase in pay, but not out of the ordinary, other than MT. The Chelsea game ensured the budget could be expanded, and Chelsea have been unbelievably good with regard to our two loans from them. Boateng, Moore and James are also within the overall guidelines in terms of cost.
Wael has not withheld anything so far, it has all been sorted by DC in terms of individuals costs, with Wael obviously being told ongoing, what each individual has cost. Obviously there is a budget, the football league demand a maximum budget from each club based on certain criteria. Our president has not blocked anything, and has advised DC what he can spend in the window.
The only issue now is will it be all new money, or will it just be what we get for MT. And as I keep banging on about, January is not the time to spend money as all players are under contract and will cost more. I think it's better to borrow players now to get through to the summer and then buy, or just loan with a view to a permanent deal in the summer if they meet certain expectations.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Dec 20, 2016 14:32:24 GMT
You just can't answer the question can you? DC is on record as saying the absolute opposite of the bollocks you are peddling but you still keep digging your hole searching for your credibility. either dc is lying about the low budget or wael isnt giving him enough money,its one or the other,the signings would suggest the latter. dc has to say the owner is supporting him. every time you reply to me or post on a thread of mine your verbally abusive. i have different opinions to you,so what? try and articulate your posts aimed at me instead of acting like a street thug. So you pick and choose to believe what DC is saying? It's an easy thing to admit so just admit it. As I've already said in the thread what manager has ever overstated their playing budget, none but feel free to prove me wrong. Quite rightly managers consistently under state there budget it a) makes them look better (who'd of thunk that) b) makes dealing with agents easier or at least fires a warning shot across their bows There is no proof behind DC's quote about bottom 8 budget (from you or DC), I did ask you to show it as you're obviously ITK but your silence on that speaks volume. If you choose to believe some quotes and ignore others then as I implied you've zero credibility. Of course when it comes to believing quotes then Wael has kept a very consistent line that he is looking to run a sustainable club. Perhaps you believe we should return to the 'successful' formula of spending money we don't have? Another question for you to avoid. PS who are you going to blame in your next thread or do we have to wait and see?
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Post by sfdgas on Dec 20, 2016 14:39:37 GMT
You just can't answer the question can you? DC is on record as saying the absolute opposite of the bollocks you are peddling but you still keep digging your hole searching for your credibility. either dc is lying about the low budget or wael isnt giving him enough money,its one or the other,the signings would suggest the latter. dc has to say the owner is supporting him. every time you reply to me or post on a thread of mine your verbally abusive. i have different opinions to you,so what? try and articulate your posts aimed at me instead of acting like a street thug. I think you are confusing our budget, as in what DC is allowed to spend, and our wage bill. My understanding is that we are currently working well within the maximum budget WAQ would allow and this is through DC's own choice. I think the "budget" DC spoke of referred to the current wage bill, which he believes is in the bottom 8 of the league. Of course I could be wrong, but it seems logical seeing as he has previously stated WAQ has always backed him with whatever he's asked for.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 15:49:01 GMT
either dc is lying about the low budget or wael isnt giving him enough money,its one or the other,the signings would suggest the latter. dc has to say the owner is supporting him. every time you reply to me or post on a thread of mine your verbally abusive. i have different opinions to you,so what? try and articulate your posts aimed at me instead of acting like a street thug. So you pick and choose to believe what DC is saying? It's an easy thing to admit so just admit it. As I've already said in the thread what manager has ever overstated their playing budget, none but feel free to prove me wrong. Quite rightly managers consistently under state there budget it a) makes them look better (who'd of thunk that) b) makes dealing with agents easier or at least fires a warning shot across their bows There is no proof behind DC's quote about bottom 8 budget (from you or DC), I did ask you to show it as you're obviously ITK but your silence on that speaks volume. If you choose to believe some quotes and ignore others then as I implied you've zero credibility. Of course when it comes to believing quotes then Wael has kept a very consistent line that he is looking to run a sustainable club. Perhaps you believe we should return to the 'successful' formula of spending money we don't have? Another question for you to avoid. PS who are you going to blame in your next thread or do we have to wait and see? except the 8 signings tell there own story,cheapo signings relative to the league were in,5 of the players with 0 or a tiny number of league games under there belt.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 15:52:32 GMT
either dc is lying about the low budget or wael isnt giving him enough money,its one or the other,the signings would suggest the latter. dc has to say the owner is supporting him. every time you reply to me or post on a thread of mine your verbally abusive. i have different opinions to you,so what? try and articulate your posts aimed at me instead of acting like a street thug. Whoa Cowboy. Verbally abusive you say.......yet you suggest that the manager is telling lies? What you are saying is not based on any facts, just your opinion, so may I kindly suggest you refrain from suggesting that people are telling lies. so all the other posts on here are factual? dont make me laugh,its opinions and imo wael hasnt delivered a decent budget.
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Post by philbemmygas on Dec 20, 2016 16:01:29 GMT
Martin
You are a passionate Gashead; we all know that. However recently you have come across as completely bitter and twisted; for your own sanity & health I would advise a break from this forum.
No manager will ever release details of their spending power into the media prior to going on a signing spree, indeed they may elude as DC did that they are potless. It's all a clever strategy to get players to talk to the club without revealing your true hand.
Take a chill pill mate for your own good, what will be, will be
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 16:05:32 GMT
Martin You are a passionate Gashead; we all know that. However recently you have come across as completely bitter and twisted; for your own sanity & health I would advise a break from this forum. No manager will ever release details of their spending power into the media prior to going on a signing spree, indeed they may elude as DC did that they are potless. It's all a clever strategy to get players to talk to the club without revealing your true hand. Take a chill pill mate for your own good, what will be, will be thank you,i feel much more relaxed now
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Post by paulpirate on Dec 20, 2016 16:11:48 GMT
Martin You are a passionate Gashead; we all know that. However recently you have come across as completely bitter and twisted; for your own sanity & health I would advise a break from this forum. No manager will ever release details of their spending power into the media prior to going on a signing spree, indeed they may elude as DC did that they are potless. It's all a clever strategy to get players to talk to the club without revealing your true hand. Take a chill pill mate for your own good, what will be, will be dont take a break Martin you entertain I,mad mart:)
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 20, 2016 16:16:38 GMT
So you pick and choose to believe what DC is saying? It's an easy thing to admit so just admit it. As I've already said in the thread what manager has ever overstated their playing budget, none but feel free to prove me wrong. Quite rightly managers consistently under state there budget it a) makes them look better (who'd of thunk that) b) makes dealing with agents easier or at least fires a warning shot across their bows There is no proof behind DC's quote about bottom 8 budget (from you or DC), I did ask you to show it as you're obviously ITK but your silence on that speaks volume. If you choose to believe some quotes and ignore others then as I implied you've zero credibility. Of course when it comes to believing quotes then Wael has kept a very consistent line that he is looking to run a sustainable club. Perhaps you believe we should return to the 'successful' formula of spending money we don't have? Another question for you to avoid. PS who are you going to blame in your next thread or do we have to wait and see? except the 8 signings tell there own story,cheapo signings relative to the league were in,5 of the players with 0 or a tiny number of league games under there belt. But the likes of James, Hartley, Moore & Roos seem typical DC type signings? Why is it so hard to accept DC brought in the players he wanted to and was not forced to bring in by Wael restricting the wage bill, after all if he'd wanted to run Rovers on the cheap he would have just let MT sign for Oxford and let DC move to Leeds, instead of giving them ever good contracts to ensure they stayed? Regardless NH tried the "live beyond our means" approach and look where that got us.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Dec 20, 2016 16:27:27 GMT
So you pick and choose to believe what DC is saying? It's an easy thing to admit so just admit it. As I've already said in the thread what manager has ever overstated their playing budget, none but feel free to prove me wrong. Quite rightly managers consistently under state there budget it a) makes them look better (who'd of thunk that) b) makes dealing with agents easier or at least fires a warning shot across their bows There is no proof behind DC's quote about bottom 8 budget (from you or DC), I did ask you to show it as you're obviously ITK but your silence on that speaks volume. If you choose to believe some quotes and ignore others then as I implied you've zero credibility. Of course when it comes to believing quotes then Wael has kept a very consistent line that he is looking to run a sustainable club. Perhaps you believe we should return to the 'successful' formula of spending money we don't have? Another question for you to avoid. PS who are you going to blame in your next thread or do we have to wait and see? except the 8 signings tell there own story,cheapo signings relative to the league were in,5 of the players with 0 or a tiny number of league games under there belt. Lol do you expect young players to have bags of league games under their belt? That's such an irrelevant thing to judge players on. Forget ever playing our own youth players if DC thinks they're ready, they have no league games so they must be rubbish. Heck, just get rid of our younger teams and put the money saved towards buying experienced sh**e like Virgo and Kenneth
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Post by countygroundhotel on Dec 20, 2016 18:43:26 GMT
So you pick and choose to believe what DC is saying? It's an easy thing to admit so just admit it. As I've already said in the thread what manager has ever overstated their playing budget, none but feel free to prove me wrong. Quite rightly managers consistently under state there budget it a) makes them look better (who'd of thunk that) b) makes dealing with agents easier or at least fires a warning shot across their bows There is no proof behind DC's quote about bottom 8 budget (from you or DC), I did ask you to show it as you're obviously ITK but your silence on that speaks volume. If you choose to believe some quotes and ignore others then as I implied you've zero credibility. Of course when it comes to believing quotes then Wael has kept a very consistent line that he is looking to run a sustainable club. Perhaps you believe we should return to the 'successful' formula of spending money we don't have? Another question for you to avoid. PS who are you going to blame in your next thread or do we have to wait and see? except the 8 signings tell there own story,cheapo signings relative to the league were in,5 of the players with 0 or a tiny number of league games under there belt. Questions do flummox you don't they.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 20, 2016 18:59:23 GMT
Don't forget attack the post not the poster!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 20:06:21 GMT
ive obviously attracted the forum mafia and there enforcers,never mind. the simple fact remains that we signed 8 players including 6 yes 6 on loan and they havnt performed very well as yet this season. lets see what happens in january. will we get say luke freeman on loan from city for the rest of the season or a very promising youth international from arsenal who might be ok in league 1. lets see if wael really does back the manager this time?
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Dec 20, 2016 20:51:47 GMT
I've been thinking our problems through in my head:
There are times this season when:
James Clarke has looked much improved. Ellis Harrison has had a consistent run of good games. Ollie Clarke has looked every inch a League 1 midfielder. Charlie Colkett has shown real quality. Daniel Leadbitter has provided assists from the right. Peter Hartley has looked the solid no-nonsense centre back we needed and has weighed in with goals.
Additionally, up until recently Lines has been the standout player and Brown has been typically solid. Taylor has scored plenty of goals.
Sinclair remains pretty solid and has had a good season. Gaffney has found his form recently and contributed well.
Lockyer has been under-par most of the season. The goalkeeper situation has been bad.
We have lost confidence and looked all at sea at the back in the last month or so. When players lose form en masse it is easy to think they are not good enough but usually it is not that simple. I think we need to strengthen a little at the back and find a solid keeper. If we get the defence right we have enough going forward to be fine, provided Taylor stays. If he goes, obviously we need to replace him, too.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Dec 20, 2016 20:53:42 GMT
ive obviously attracted the forum mafia and there enforcers,never mind. the simple fact remains that we signed 8 players including 6 yes 6 on loan and they havnt performed very well as yet this season. lets see what happens in january. will we get say luke freeman on loan from city for the rest of the season or a very promising youth international from arsenal who might be ok in league 1. lets see if wael really does back the manager this time? Only time will tell; however, currently we are not in the bottom four, and six points over Christmas will kick start the season; hold your nerve and get behind the boys; ffs we have had two promotions in two seasons, whats not to like ? I would say I am not convinced by WAQ, who has gone missing in recent weeks, I would like him to come out and stop making failed promises about training grounds and stadiums and talk about investment in the team. UTG
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Post by oddsongas on Dec 20, 2016 21:19:12 GMT
ive obviously attracted the forum mafia and there enforcers,never mind. the simple fact remains that we signed 8 players including 6 yes 6 on loan and they havnt performed very well as yet this season. lets see what happens in january. will we get say luke freeman on loan from city for the rest of the season or a very promising youth international from arsenal who might be ok in league 1. lets see if wael really does back the manager this time? Only time will tell; however, currently we are not in the bottom four, and six points over Christmas will kick start the season; hold your nerve and get behind the boys; ffs we have had two promotions in two seasons, whats not to like ? I would say I am not convinced by WAQ, who has gone missing in recent weeks, I would like him to come out and stop making failed promises about training grounds and stadiums and talk about investment in the team. UTG The failed training ground that got the go ahead today?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 21:36:19 GMT
How dare Wael buy a training ground! He has no respect!
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