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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 9:42:54 GMT
Jake Gosling could make it to the Championship - but needs to shake off 'winger' tag to get there By JamesMcNamara | Posted: January 17, 2017
Bristol Rovers boss Darrell Clarke recently mused that there had been very few players he had released during his managerial career that had "come back to bite me on the bum".
He's right, of course, there has yet to be a player who Clarke has let go that has gone on to play at a level any higher than that which Rovers currently find themselves.
Clarke yesterday made Jake Gosling the latest in that list of players released after allowing him to join Forest Green Rovers on loan until the end of the season to effectively end his Memorial Stadium career.
While Clarke has rarely been wrong when making decisions on when to cut players loose, there is a niggling suspicion lurking somewhere in the back of this reporter's mind that Gosling might be one who could be the first exception to the general rule.
It is not going to happen now, granted, but at only 23 years old, Gosling has time on his side and a beautiful technical ability that is recognised by his team-mates as among the best in the squad.
He lacks inches, of course, and is certainly not the quickest, but, perhaps, the biggest barrier to Gosling's future success lies in the fact that for some reason he is typecast as a 'winger'. Those who have watched him at Rovers for the past two-and-a-half season will testify that he is anything but.
Playing Gosling out wide as an out-and-out winger is an almost pointless exercise. He lacks the speed to go past a full-back and is wasted when asked to chase long balls towards the corner flag.
It is perhaps this insistence to play Gosling out on the touchline that saw him return from loan spells at both Newport County and Cambridge United with very little game time to show for his efforts.
Gosling's strengths lay within his short passing game and in his ability to carve open defences with a quick one-two. It is when offered the freedom to utilise these skills within the width of the penalty area that Gosling has excelled during his time at the Memorial Stadium.
These skills are perhaps best showcased on the international stage when Gosling featured for Gibraltar in an 8-1 defeat at the hands of Poland in September 2015. He played a quick one-two off the big centre forward on the edge of the penalty area before dribbling his way through the Poland defence to slip a clinical finish past Wojciech Szczesny. Just go and take a look at it.
His best games in the famous blue and white quarters also came when tucked inside off the touchline. A 2-1 victory at Torquay United when featuring as the furthest forward of a three-man midfield still lives in the memory.
As does Gosling's contribution when playing narrow on the left of a 4-3-3 in victories away at Hartlepool United and Morecambe within days of each other in the early part of last season.
Clarke is probably right in thinking that Gosling might not be ready to fulfil that sort of role at League One level just yet and where his career will go from here is probably dependent on whether he is lucky enough to find a manager who appreciates where his particular talents are best utilised.
It is worrying, then, that Gosling is already been labelled a 'winger' and a replacement for Motherwell-bound Elliot Frear before he has even set foot inside the New Lawn.
Optimism that Gosling can be a success at Forest Green, however, does come with the fact that Mark Cooper has operated for a large majority of the season with a diamond midfield that might just suit Gosling down to the ground.
One would hope so, as Gosling has always been a popular member of the Rovers squad and will go down in history of one of those who helped the club re-invent itself in the two years since hitting rock bottom.
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Post by faggotygas on Jan 17, 2017 9:46:38 GMT
Well I don't clap the pilot, but I do say thank you to the stewards on the way out. Its called politeness. I'll have to remember the politeness argument when David Pipe next comes up. I probably wouldn't thank a steward who got drunk and bottled someone during the flight.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 17, 2017 9:49:17 GMT
I saw him after the away game at Southend after the JP Cup game in 2015. He was hobbling to be coach and I asked if he was injured - no, it was because he'd run so much in the game. Unfair of people to accuse him of milking it, riding on coat tails etc. - nice guy, worked hard and helped get us out the Conference. Um player does what he's paid to do. Are you one of those people who goes on holiday and claps when the pilot hasn't crashed the aircraft? Ha! I bet he cheers goals, as well.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jan 17, 2017 10:35:20 GMT
Um player does what he's paid to do. Are you one of those people who goes on holiday and claps when the pilot hasn't crashed the aircraft? Well I don't clap the pilot, but I do say thank you to the stewards on the way out. Its called politeness. Essentially, we are supporters, not armchair critics. We have a link to our chosen football club, we invest in it and want the best for it and those who serve it. That's not to say that we don't have opinions on the direction of the club, what could be done better, the ability of the players. Of course we do, and it's completely valid to voice those on a forum. Surely though, we have the grace to acknowledge and understand the contributions of those who serve the club with honesty and effort, contributing to a remarkable period in our history? Gosling and Puddy are part of that, just as Blissett, Balanta and others were. It saddens me when people just say they weren't good enough and are basically saying good riddance when they leave. For all of their limitations, none of us know whether we could have got to where we are now without the above mentioned players as they all, at times, made a vital contribution to our success. They deserve our thanks. They have been a part of something (back to back promotions) that we have never done before and may very well not repeat again as a club. If we can't take a step back and appreciate that then why on earth do we bother?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 11:20:05 GMT
One game sticks out for me re Gosling, think it was Welling at home where we won 1-0.
He played on the wing (despite comments above he isn't a winger??!) and tried his best to avoid the ball at all cost while making sure his kit was nice and clean and hair in place until he was taken off. That summed him up for me.
Sorry if you don't agree with what I say about him but in my eyes he has contributed very little for his wages. Its not his fault he isn't good enough, but he isn't and that's been proven at 3 clubs.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 17, 2017 11:47:53 GMT
One game sticks out for me re Gosling, think it was Welling at home where we won 1-0. He played on the wing (despite comments above he isn't a winger??!) and tried his best to avoid the ball at all cost while making sure his kit was nice and clean and hair in place until he was taken off. That summed him up for me. Sorry if you don't agree with what I say about him but in my eyes he has contributed very little for his wages. Its not his fault he isn't good enough, but he isn't and that's been proven at 3 clubs. The post doesn't say he doesn't play as a winger - the fact he does is the entire point of the post. It says he is better played elsewhere. Also "he tried his best to avoid the ball...making sure his kit was nice and clean..," contradicts "It's not his fault he isn't good enough". You quite clearly just said it is.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 17, 2017 11:57:20 GMT
One game sticks out for me re Gosling, think it was Welling at home where we won 1-0. He played on the wing (despite comments above he isn't a winger??!) and tried his best to avoid the ball at all cost while making sure his kit was nice and clean and hair in place until he was taken off. That summed him up for me. Sorry if you don't agree with what I say about him but in my eyes he has contributed very little for his wages. Its not his fault he isn't good enough, but he isn't and that's been proven at 3 clubs. The post doesn't say he doesn't play as a winger - the fact he does is the entire point of the post. It says he is better played elsewhere. Also "he tried his best to avoid the ball...making sure his kit was nice and clean..," contradicts "It's not his fault he isn't good enough". You quite clearly just said it is. You have to make allowances for his posts about Rovers......
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Post by philbemmygas on Jan 17, 2017 12:09:20 GMT
Remind me, how many goals did he score for us in the Conference, he has played a vital role within the squad that achieved promotion twice. I shook his hand at the Mem the other week, I don't know him personally but appreciate what he has done for the club. Some people on here just love to be opinionated, just to draw attention to themselves. Come on you BLUES Just 3 and one of those was in the 7-0 thrashing of Alfreton! The one versus Alfreton I recall was quite a delightful goal, still he is utter dogpoo and can eff off back to the conference. All the best Jake at Florist Green
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 12:12:03 GMT
One game sticks out for me re Gosling, think it was Welling at home where we won 1-0. He played on the wing (despite comments above he isn't a winger??!) and tried his best to avoid the ball at all cost while making sure his kit was nice and clean and hair in place until he was taken off. That summed him up for me. Sorry if you don't agree with what I say about him but in my eyes he has contributed very little for his wages. Its not his fault he isn't good enough, but he isn't and that's been proven at 3 clubs. The post doesn't say he doesn't play as a winger - the fact he does is the entire point of the post. It says he is better played elsewhere. Also "he tried his best to avoid the ball...making sure his kit was nice and clean..," contradicts "It's not his fault he isn't good enough". You quite clearly just said it is. No that was one instance that infuriated me a bit v Welling, but tbh when I have seen him involved he hasn't done anything to show he is good enough.
Fair play if he does make career in league football, I wouldn't ever worry about having to face him though, even with our defence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 12:12:59 GMT
The post doesn't say he doesn't play as a winger - the fact he does is the entire point of the post. It says he is better played elsewhere. Also "he tried his best to avoid the ball...making sure his kit was nice and clean..," contradicts "It's not his fault he isn't good enough". You quite clearly just said it is. You have to make allowances for his posts about Rovers......
That's fair enough when we have to for your bias towards customers?
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Post by Okebournegas on Jan 17, 2017 13:22:35 GMT
One game sticks out for me re Gosling, think it was Welling at home where we won 1-0. He played on the wing (despite comments above he isn't a winger??!) and tried his best to avoid the ball at all cost while making sure his kit was nice and clean and hair in place until he was taken off. That summed him up for me. Sorry if you don't agree with what I say about him but in my eyes he has contributed very little for his wages. Its not his fault he isn't good enough, but he isn't and that's been proven at 3 clubs. [br Ok , here's one for you , Roos or gosling , who's got the nicest hair ? It's a tough one ......
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jan 17, 2017 13:39:32 GMT
I'll have to remember the politeness argument when David Pipe next comes up. I probably wouldn't thank a steward who got drunk and bottled someone during the flight. No-one was thanking Gos for anything off the pitch just for doing what he was paid for on the pitch.
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Post by faggotygas on Jan 17, 2017 13:47:39 GMT
I probably wouldn't thank a steward who got drunk and bottled someone during the flight. No-one was thanking Gos for anything off the pitch just for doing what he was paid for on the pitch. But the reason that Pipe was no longer allowed on the pitch, was because of something off the pitch which disgraced the club. Come on, you must be able to see a difference between the way that Gosling is (possibly) leaving us, and the way that Pipe left us?
Anyway, as a general principle, you are saying that its wrong to thank somebody for doing something if they are being paid for it? Bit mean-spirited. Bet you're popular with the barstaff at your local, let alone in your job.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 13:48:52 GMT
One game sticks out for me re Gosling, think it was Welling at home where we won 1-0. He played on the wing (despite comments above he isn't a winger??!) and tried his best to avoid the ball at all cost while making sure his kit was nice and clean and hair in place until he was taken off. That summed him up for me. Sorry if you don't agree with what I say about him but in my eyes he has contributed very little for his wages. Its not his fault he isn't good enough, but he isn't and that's been proven at 3 clubs. [br Ok , here's one for you , Roos or gosling , who's got the nicest hair ? It's a tough one ......
I think both would benefit from more time on the training pitch and less in front of the mirror...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 13:56:02 GMT
One game sticks out for me re Gosling, think it was Welling at home where we won 1-0. He played on the wing (despite comments above he isn't a winger??!) and tried his best to avoid the ball at all cost while making sure his kit was nice and clean and hair in place until he was taken off. That summed him up for me. Sorry if you don't agree with what I say about him but in my eyes he has contributed very little for his wages. Its not his fault he isn't good enough, but he isn't and that's been proven at 3 clubs. [br Ok , here's one for you , Roos or gosling , who's got the nicest hair ? It's a tough one ...... Now, if you were asking who the best goalkeeper is that would be easy, its not that tough............
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Post by Okebournegas on Jan 17, 2017 13:57:44 GMT
[br Ok , here's one for you , Roos or gosling , who's got the nicest hair ? It's a tough one ......
I think both would benefit from more time on the training pitch and less in front of the mirror...
I'm going for Roos , now your turn !
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Post by Okebournegas on Jan 17, 2017 13:58:34 GMT
[br Ok , here's one for you , Roos or gosling , who's got the nicest hair ? It's a tough one ...... Now, if you were asking who the best goalkeeper is that would be easy, its not that tough............ Hey , I see what you did there!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 14:10:22 GMT
Jake Gosling could make it to the Championship - but needs to shake off 'winger' tag to get there By JamesMcNamara | Posted: January 17, 2017 Bristol Rovers boss Darrell Clarke recently mused that there had been very few players he had released during his managerial career that had "come back to bite me on the bum". He's right, of course, there has yet to be a player who Clarke has let go that has gone on to play at a level any higher than that which Rovers currently find themselves. Clarke yesterday made Jake Gosling the latest in that list of players released after allowing him to join Forest Green Rovers on loan until the end of the season to effectively end his Memorial Stadium career. While Clarke has rarely been wrong when making decisions on when to cut players loose, there is a niggling suspicion lurking somewhere in the back of this reporter's mind that Gosling might be one who could be the first exception to the general rule. It is not going to happen now, granted, but at only 23 years old, Gosling has time on his side and a beautiful technical ability that is recognised by his team-mates as among the best in the squad. He lacks inches, of course, and is certainly not the quickest, but, perhaps, the biggest barrier to Gosling's future success lies in the fact that for some reason he is typecast as a 'winger'. Those who have watched him at Rovers for the past two-and-a-half season will testify that he is anything but. Playing Gosling out wide as an out-and-out winger is an almost pointless exercise. He lacks the speed to go past a full-back and is wasted when asked to chase long balls towards the corner flag. It is perhaps this insistence to play Gosling out on the touchline that saw him return from loan spells at both Newport County and Cambridge United with very little game time to show for his efforts. Gosling's strengths lay within his short passing game and in his ability to carve open defences with a quick one-two. It is when offered the freedom to utilise these skills within the width of the penalty area that Gosling has excelled during his time at the Memorial Stadium. These skills are perhaps best showcased on the international stage when Gosling featured for Gibraltar in an 8-1 defeat at the hands of Poland in September 2015. He played a quick one-two off the big centre forward on the edge of the penalty area before dribbling his way through the Poland defence to slip a clinical finish past Wojciech Szczesny. Just go and take a look at it. His best games in the famous blue and white quarters also came when tucked inside off the touchline. A 2-1 victory at Torquay United when featuring as the furthest forward of a three-man midfield still lives in the memory. As does Gosling's contribution when playing narrow on the left of a 4-3-3 in victories away at Hartlepool United and Morecambe within days of each other in the early part of last season. Clarke is probably right in thinking that Gosling might not be ready to fulfil that sort of role at League One level just yet and where his career will go from here is probably dependent on whether he is lucky enough to find a manager who appreciates where his particular talents are best utilised. It is worrying, then, that Gosling is already been labelled a 'winger' and a replacement for Motherwell-bound Elliot Frear before he has even set foot inside the New Lawn. Optimism that Gosling can be a success at Forest Green, however, does come with the fact that Mark Cooper has operated for a large majority of the season with a diamond midfield that might just suit Gosling down to the ground. One would hope so, as Gosling has always been a popular member of the Rovers squad and will go down in history of one of those who helped the club re-invent itself in the two years since hitting rock bottom.
Is this McNamara guy supposed to be a reporter? If so maybe he should just stick to that.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Jan 17, 2017 16:18:06 GMT
No-one was thanking Gos for anything off the pitch just for doing what he was paid for on the pitch. But the reason that Pipe was no longer allowed on the pitch, was because of something off the pitch which disgraced the club. Come on, you must be able to see a difference between the way that Gosling is (possibly) leaving us, and the way that Pipe left us?
Anyway, as a general principle, you are saying that its wrong to thank somebody for doing something if they are being paid for it? Bit mean-spirited. Bet you're popular with the barstaff at your local, let alone in your job.
As a general principle I thank a lot of people but not just for doing their job for doing it well and hopefully with a smile on their face. I'm pretty sure you don't go round and thank everyone in work everyday for turning up but by your principle you should. You should also thank the jobsworth that says you can't do that because it's the rule bet you don't though. The only time footballers shouldn't be knackered coming off the pitch is when they've strolled to a convincing like Northampton at home. Gosling has done a job for us and should be respected for his contribution but the fact is in 2 1/2 seasons he's not been good enough to hold down a position in the team. Logically he should've gone in the summer but benefitted from DCs offer of new contract.
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 17, 2017 18:00:17 GMT
I think both would benefit from more time on the training pitch and less in front of the mirror...
I'm going for Roos , now your turn ! def Roos he's got the London look 😎
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