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Post by STRONG,SECURE, STABLE on Jan 15, 2017 17:51:48 GMT
Just because we're not flashing the cash does not mean there is none. We just broke Eastleighs transfer record and had a former Serie A goalkeeper on trial so there is at least a budget. To say anything other is scaremongering. DC is frugal and looking to firstly use his budget well, and secondly bring in the right kind of player. Much better to bring in a Stuart Sinclair type than a Jon Joe O'Toole. Also, the best players aren't necessarily going to be those sold on the first day of the window because that would mean they're replaceable in their existing team and not worth bargaining over. Better than being a Lee Johnson / Steve Lansdown combination type. 'Cause the only people seeing that as going well is us! You say beating Eastleigh's transfer record as if we've just spent £10m on a player, basically we've once again spent Bliss/Gaffney type money on a player. I don't get this DC is frugal with his money as he doesn't have to worry if Wael can't afford the budget that's for Wael to worry about. We clearly need an experienced league goalie and central defender, the latter is likely to cost decent money but I'm not convinced DC has the funds to bring one in, that'snot scaremongering just my opinion. might want to research league 1 budgets, citizens financial advice bureau and mmost importantly FFP rules, only spend what you bring in, with limited investment, so your comments have no intelligence or knowledge associated to it
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Post by yategas78 on Jan 15, 2017 17:53:37 GMT
If we don't get a decent keeper and centre back a bit sharpish I mean before February we are gonna struggle, I don't want to come over as negative but the way Wallsall dispatched Sheffield United yesterday and Swindon doing Bolton it is possible we will finish the month on 39!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 17:53:58 GMT
In reality, this seasons attendance won't come into affect until next season I think it is the other way round? In reality doesn't the money from season tickets in the summer go on paying off the loses from the previous season? We always rob Peter to pay Paul! [/quote] No & no.
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Post by STRONG,SECURE, STABLE on Jan 15, 2017 18:10:25 GMT
If we don't get a decent keeper and centre back a bit sharpish I mean before February we are gonna struggle, I don't want to come over as negative but the way Wallsall dispatched Sheffield United yesterday and Swindon doing Bolton it is possible we will finish the month on 39!! we have got 39 points with the squad we have now, what changed that means we will lose every game now?
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Post by garystash on Jan 15, 2017 18:25:39 GMT
Summer is too late IMO just look at our February Fixtures. Goalkeeper and Tall commanding Centre half are required now and to get a good one you need money. Does DC have any? At the beginning of December DC did say he had the go ahead from thd board to improve in January, so I don t know why people are questioning if funds are available. I think the problem is far more likely down to getting good value in January. The players you want to sign are probably under contract and already playing consistently well for their clubs. These sort of players ard not going to be made easily available.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jan 15, 2017 18:27:12 GMT
Summer is too late IMO just look at our February Fixtures. Goalkeeper and Tall commanding Centre half are required now and to get a good one you need money. Does DC have any? Seeing as he just spent some surely your question is irrelevant?
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Post by stevek192 on Jan 15, 2017 18:59:56 GMT
ryanpullen, If that's the case we may as well just ait at home for 3-4 years. If you had any sense you would know that Football doesn't work that way. You don't just get to the Championship when you want to- you have to take any chance when it comes along. Ok so according to you he has money- so how much is it if you are so great. Are we talking 100,000,£250,000 or more? If you don'y know then maybe its you who should shut up unless you can construct a reasonable post and respect other peoples opinions.
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Post by helpliner on Jan 15, 2017 19:15:44 GMT
ryanpullen, If that's the case we may as well just ait at home for 3-4 years. If you had any sense you would know that Football doesn't work that way. You don't just get to the Championship when you want to- you have to take any chance when it comes along. Ok so according to you he has money- so how much is it if you are so great. Are we talking 100,000,£250,000 or more? If you don'y know then maybe its you who should shut up unless you can construct a reasonable post and respect other peoples opinions. In much the same way as the Government do not wish to tell everyone what their final demands will be over Brexit, I guess it would be rather silly publishing how much we have or don't have to spend. It is always the case when a team sell a player that replacement players magically go up in price to that which was previously being demanded.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 19:19:44 GMT
ryanpullen, If that's the case we may as well just ait at home for 3-4 years. If you had any sense you would know that Football doesn't work that way. You don't just get to the Championship when you want to- you have to take any chance when it comes along. Ok so according to you he has money- so how much is it if you are so great. Are we talking 100,000,£250,000 or more? If you don'y know then maybe its you who should shut up unless you can construct a reasonable post and respect other peoples opinions. Very good point that. Got a real chance to push. I don't know the ins and outs of how Burton got to the Championship (finances) but their home crowd on Saturday was 4,400.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 20:00:40 GMT
If we don't get a decent keeper and centre back a bit sharpish I mean before February we are gonna struggle, I don't want to come over as negative but the way Wallsall dispatched Sheffield United yesterday and Swindon doing Bolton it is possible we will finish the month on 39!! That's not how it works in football. Please stop being unreasonable. Those 2 results were shocks and you cannot apply them to our future fixtures. There is no rhyme or reason to our form.
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Post by yategas78 on Jan 15, 2017 20:44:14 GMT
We will have a look at the points total after the Swindle game, hopefully I'm talking out of my ass and we will be on 45!! UTG
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Post by Blackbeard on Jan 16, 2017 13:39:14 GMT
I'd just be happy to win games 1-0 for a little streak, smashing in 4 and 5 is exciting, but If we take 3 from 6 across every home and away cycle we won't make a tilt at top6
I believe we have a golden chance to make the top six but we have to defend better , clean sheets should be the highest priority, we know we can and will score but I'd prefer to accept the odd match without breathless excitement and just clinical , mean minded defending - that means a new keeper and a monster CB ASAP !
I think Lockyer condfidence is whacked personally and has to carry a lot on young shoulders - I was at Fleetwood and his performance was well under par, passing, distribution, and getting caught flat footed
DC needs to give him a break, I think his head is mush at the mo
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Post by faggotygas on Jan 16, 2017 14:37:03 GMT
As Clarke has publicly stated it's not rocket science to see where the problem is, or is it. For nearly 3 seasons his style of football has been to go forward and score more goals than those conceded, which has worked extremely well thus far with roughly the same players. The question is, is it the strikers that are very good and the defenders not pulling their weight or simply the tactics of going hell bent to score an issue? Clarke has singled out the strikers and midfielder to defend more but then if they do we don't score.
The "We're gonna score more goals than you" mindset works ok in the lower divisions but the higher up the leagues you go you have to build on a solid defence. If you don't concede a goal all season you will get a minimum of 38 pts on the Premiership and 46 points in the other leagues. I like Rovers to attack but not at the expense of being caught out with the defence unprotected. Two teams that spring to mind are Peterboro and Liverpool. Peterboro have flitted between Championship and League one for the past few seasons. They batter teams into submission in League One by going all out attack leading to high scoring games that they generally edge in their favour. But then they struggle with the same style of play in the Championship because the better teams defend better against that style of play and then break quickly and punish an unprotected defence. As for Liverpool, with Suarez etc they scored over 100 goals in the Premiership a couple of seasons ago. Normally that would give a team the title but they were ultimately undone by Chelsea near the end of the season who showed that a really solid defence counts for a great deal. One game being unable to unlock a miserly defence and the title was gone.
So, I think DC needs to get the defence tightened up and take it from there. We have plenty of goals in us but it won't count for much if we have to score 2+ goals every game to get a win cos the pressure will all be on the strikers and a collective off day could well mean a defeat.
Anyway, that's my view.
Hmm.
Can you explain then why Bolton, who have conceded 19, are only in third while Sheffield United are top after conceeding 29, and Oldham are 23rd having conceeded only 27?
Anyway, your premise is that not conceeding goals become more important for a higher placed finish, the higher up the divisions you go. In other words, that having a better defence than peers is more important than having a better attack than peers, the higher the division you are playing in. I've looked into this, and not found anything that can back this up statistically.
For instance, looking at the total average goals per game conceeded by the top 3 teams across the divisions, you get no discernable pattern at all:
2015/16 Prem=0.94, Champ=0.78, L1=0.95, L2=0.96, Conf=0.78 2014/15 Prem=0.93, Champ=1.04, L1=0.88, L2=0.80, Conf=0.87 2013/14 Prem=1.00, Champ=0.96, L1=0.86, L2=0.96, Conf=0.87
You give the example of Liverpool to back up your argument, but you've got it all wrong - Chelsea actually finished below Liverpool in that 100 goal season, despite thier tighter defence conceeding only 27 goals to Liverpool's 50. Title winners Man City acually scored 1 more goal than Liverpool!
So like so much in football, there is more than one way to play - all that matters is that you score more goals than the opposition, however you do it. In general the most succesful sides are the ones that have a balance between defence and attack, whatever level you are playing at.
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Post by gasincider on Jan 16, 2017 14:58:04 GMT
might want to research league 1 budgets, citizens financial advice bureau and mmost importantly FFP rules, only spend what you bring in, with limited investment, so your comments have no intelligence or knowledge associated to it You can't get over yourself even now Ryan. You need to understand the rules. Two weeks ago on fivelive radio. There was a discussion about budgets. In league 1, the two highest playing budgets were Sheffield Utd, and Scunthorpe. Both approximately £5.5m. How do you reckon that equates to spending what you bring in? The reality is that any owner can spend what he wants as long as it is a gift to the club, and is not held to be any sort of loan that can be charged to the club. He would also of course need to ensure sufficient funding to cover the wages in case they exceed the stipulated percentage of income generated by the club.
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Post by simon1883 on Jan 16, 2017 15:02:20 GMT
Money or no money. If the selling club are willing to let a player go, they will want to have a replacement lined up. No on in their right mind will want to leave themselves short - especially with only a transfer window to play with.
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