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Post by poorblue on Jan 15, 2017 12:56:22 GMT
I would like to start by saying I am very happy with where we currently stand in 9th position in League 1
However for discussion and not criticism I have looked at some stats
With 27 games gone and in 9th place stats regarding the top 10 teams rovers have played so far are
Played 11 lost 7 drawn 3 won 1 The game won was a 2-1 score, games lost include 2 conceding 4 goals, 2 conceding 3 goals
Goals score 46 i.e. 3rd highest in division only bettered by the top 2 teams
Goals conceded 47 i.e. 2nd highest in the division only beaten by a team with 53
Rovers the only team in the top 10 with a negative goal difference.
Seems to suggest that 8th to 10th place is where we will finish at the end of the season unless serious signings are in the way.
As Clarke has publicly stated it's not rocket science to see where the problem is, or is it.
For nearly 3 seasons his style of football has been to go forward and score more goals than those conceded, which has worked extremely well thus far with roughly the same players.
The question is, is it the strikers that are very good and the defenders not pulling their weight or simply the tactics of going hell bent to score an issue?
Clarke has singled out the strikers and midfielder to defend more but then if they do we don't score.
Evolution not Revolution is the buzz word and is OK by me but if the current strikers are that good will they still be here come the time the defence is improved. Football is all about players coming and going. I don't like the word "dump players", as if Rovers want to improve then signing from teams in the higher division will most likely cost money to buy their "dumped players". One team's dumped player is another star player, I wonder who is about tpo be dumped on us in the transfer window. It's my thinking Clarke will wait til the summer and get his FIRST choice then UTG
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 13:06:51 GMT
On my feet.
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Post by stevek192 on Jan 15, 2017 13:06:54 GMT
Summer is too late IMO just look at our February Fixtures. Goalkeeper and Tall commanding Centre half are required now and to get a good one you need money. Does DC have any?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 15, 2017 13:33:51 GMT
The answer surely is no or we'd have spent it on the 1 January, all we can do is wait and see who DC brings in, at the end of the day if we finish mid table it's a damn sight better than 91st! Just a bit annoying we can't get a bit more quality in the side and then really push for a Play Off spot I just don't think Wael is going to spend any big money to the UWE is sorted out, if it ever does get sorted.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 15, 2017 14:01:18 GMT
The answer surely is no or we'd have spent it on the 1 January, all we can do is wait and see who DC brings in, at the end of the day if we finish mid table it's a damn sight better than 91st! Just a bit annoying we can't get a bit more quality in the side and then really push for a Play Off spot I just don't think Wael is going to spend any big money to the UWE is sorted out, if it ever does get sorted. Just because we're not flashing the cash does not mean there is none. We just broke Eastleighs transfer record and had a former Serie A goalkeeper on trial so there is at least a budget. To say anything other is scaremongering. DC is frugal and looking to firstly use his budget well, and secondly bring in the right kind of player. Much better to bring in a Stuart Sinclair type than a Jon Joe O'Toole. Also, the best players aren't necessarily going to be those sold on the first day of the window because that would mean they're replaceable in their existing team and not worth bargaining over. Better than being a Lee Johnson / Steve Lansdown combination type. 'Cause the only people seeing that as going well is us! |
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Post by markczgas on Jan 15, 2017 14:07:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 14:13:39 GMT
Comedian NOT ! I thank you Sir 😘 YES!! |
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Post by scoobydoogas on Jan 15, 2017 14:48:17 GMT
As Clarke has publicly stated it's not rocket science to see where the problem is, or is it. For nearly 3 seasons his style of football has been to go forward and score more goals than those conceded, which has worked extremely well thus far with roughly the same players. The question is, is it the strikers that are very good and the defenders not pulling their weight or simply the tactics of going hell bent to score an issue? Clarke has singled out the strikers and midfielder to defend more but then if they do we don't score.
The "We're gonna score more goals than you" mindset works ok in the lower divisions but the higher up the leagues you go you have to build on a solid defence. If you don't concede a goal all season you will get a minimum of 38 pts on the Premiership and 46 points in the other leagues. I like Rovers to attack but not at the expense of being caught out with the defence unprotected. Two teams that spring to mind are Peterboro and Liverpool. Peterboro have flitted between Championship and League one for the past few seasons. They batter teams into submission in League One by going all out attack leading to high scoring games that they generally edge in their favour. But then they struggle with the same style of play in the Championship because the better teams defend better against that style of play and then break quickly and punish an unprotected defence. As for Liverpool, with Suarez etc they scored over 100 goals in the Premiership a couple of seasons ago. Normally that would give a team the title but they were ultimately undone by Chelsea near the end of the season who showed that a really solid defence counts for a great deal. One game being unable to unlock a miserly defence and the title was gone.
So, I think DC needs to get the defence tightened up and take it from there. We have plenty of goals in us but it won't count for much if we have to score 2+ goals every game to get a win cos the pressure will all be on the strikers and a collective off day could well mean a defeat.
Anyway, that's my view.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 15, 2017 16:08:07 GMT
The answer surely is no or we'd have spent it on the 1 January, all we can do is wait and see who DC brings in, at the end of the day if we finish mid table it's a damn sight better than 91st! Just a bit annoying we can't get a bit more quality in the side and then really push for a Play Off spot I just don't think Wael is going to spend any big money to the UWE is sorted out, if it ever does get sorted. Just because we're not flashing the cash does not mean there is none. We just broke Eastleighs transfer record and had a former Serie A goalkeeper on trial so there is at least a budget. To say anything other is scaremongering. DC is frugal and looking to firstly use his budget well, and secondly bring in the right kind of player. Much better to bring in a Stuart Sinclair type than a Jon Joe O'Toole. Also, the best players aren't necessarily going to be those sold on the first day of the window because that would mean they're replaceable in their existing team and not worth bargaining over. Better than being a Lee Johnson / Steve Lansdown combination type. 'Cause the only people seeing that as going well is us! You say beating Eastleigh's transfer record as if we've just spent £10m on a player, basically we've once again spent Bliss/Gaffney type money on a player. I don't get this DC is frugal with his money as he doesn't have to worry if Wael can't afford the budget that's for Wael to worry about. We clearly need an experienced league goalie and central defender, the latter is likely to cost decent money but I'm not convinced DC has the funds to bring one in, that'snot scaremongering just my opinion. |
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Post by Okebournegas on Jan 15, 2017 16:15:58 GMT
The answer surely is no or we'd have spent it on the 1 January, all we can do is wait and see who DC brings in, at the end of the day if we finish mid table it's a damn sight better than 91st! Just a bit annoying we can't get a bit more quality in the side and then really push for a Play Off spot I just don't think Wael is going to spend any big money to the UWE is sorted out, if it ever does get sorted. Just because we're not flashing the cash does not mean there is none. We just broke Eastleighs transfer record and had a former Serie A goalkeeper on trial so there is at least a budget. To say anything other is scaremongering. DC is frugal and looking to firstly use his budget well, and secondly bring in the right kind of player. Much better to bring in a Stuart Sinclair type than a Jon Joe O'Toole. Also, the best players aren't necessarily going to be those sold on the first day of the window because that would mean they're replaceable in their existing team and not worth bargaining over. Better than being a Lee Johnson / Steve Lansdown combination type. 'Cause the only people seeing that as going well is us! I agree |
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Post by justin blue on Jan 15, 2017 16:30:42 GMT
If we are still in with a chance of the playoffs on last home game of the season it would be a fantastic achievement.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 15, 2017 16:30:46 GMT
Just because we're not flashing the cash does not mean there is none. We just broke Eastleighs transfer record and had a former Serie A goalkeeper on trial so there is at least a budget. To say anything other is scaremongering. DC is frugal and looking to firstly use his budget well, and secondly bring in the right kind of player. Much better to bring in a Stuart Sinclair type than a Jon Joe O'Toole. Also, the best players aren't necessarily going to be those sold on the first day of the window because that would mean they're replaceable in their existing team and not worth bargaining over. Better than being a Lee Johnson / Steve Lansdown combination type. 'Cause the only people seeing that as going well is us! You say beating Eastleigh's transfer record as if we've just spent £10m on a player, basically we've once again spent Bliss/Gaffney type money on a player. I don't get this DC is frugal with his money as he doesn't have to worry if Wael can't afford the budget that's for Wael to worry about. We clearly need an experienced league goalie and central defender, the latter is likely to cost decent money but I'm not convinced DC has the funds to bring one in, that'snot scaremongering just my opinion. Agreed that 100k isn't much but January still has 16 days to go. We're putting bids in to championship level clubs. In previous years you'd be lucky to spend 100k in the whole of January whereas much less young and froing went on with that transfer than Gaffneys last year. I disagree that being frugal means we have no cash. It means that cash is an object at Bristol Rovers which is the same for most football clubs. Only a handful of clubs outside the top leagues throughout Europe can chuck 100k away willy nilly - and if they do they either eventually come a cropper or will waste money down the toilet chute. City are of course an example - just imagine if Darrell could spend money without worry like that? Or a different example just as close to home in some ways is Peterborough spending 1m on Luke James - now out on loan season long with us with a view to a permanent transfer which probably won't happen. It's poor management. A good manager will make good choices on every penny available even if it is excessive. Those with lower budgets are less likely to luck out and get away with it. |
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jan 15, 2017 16:40:10 GMT
Just because we're not flashing the cash does not mean there is none. We just broke Eastleighs transfer record and had a former Serie A goalkeeper on trial so there is at least a budget. To say anything other is scaremongering. DC is frugal and looking to firstly use his budget well, and secondly bring in the right kind of player. Much better to bring in a Stuart Sinclair type than a Jon Joe O'Toole. Also, the best players aren't necessarily going to be those sold on the first day of the window because that would mean they're replaceable in their existing team and not worth bargaining over. Better than being a Lee Johnson / Steve Lansdown combination type. 'Cause the only people seeing that as going well is us! You say beating Eastleigh's transfer record as if we've just spent £10m on a player, basically we've once again spent Bliss/Gaffney type money on a player. I don't get this DC is frugal with his money as he doesn't have to worry if Wael can't afford the budget that's for Wael to worry about. We clearly need an experienced league goalie and central defender, the latter is likely to cost decent money but I'm not convinced DC has the funds to bring one in, that'snot scaremongering just my opinion. In reality the al qadi's have probably spent nothing yet. We probably earned 300k from the chelsea game, average attendances are up by around 1k as well, we also have around 500k extra from the TV deal for being a league one club. DC recently said we have a bottom 8 budget but we have the 7th biggest average attendance in the division. Only Bradford, Sheff utd and Bolton have revenues significantly ahead of ours. We still don't know what happened to the debt, the MSP capital loan has almost certainly been shifted and is still probably secured against the mem, and there are various conflicting views about whether higgs and co have actually been paid off yet. Hopefully the agm will soon clear a lot of these issues up. And i haven't even mentioned uwe! Seems like we are still being kept in the dark. |
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Jan 15, 2017 16:40:51 GMT
We stand 4 points away from play offs with 20 games to go fantastic position let's not forget if I know big if get promoted that would be three in row! Now that would be something!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 16:43:27 GMT
You say beating Eastleigh's transfer record as if we've just spent £10m on a player, basically we've once again spent Bliss/Gaffney type money on a player. I don't get this DC is frugal with his money as he doesn't have to worry if Wael can't afford the budget that's for Wael to worry about. We clearly need an experienced league goalie and central defender, the latter is likely to cost decent money but I'm not convinced DC has the funds to bring one in, that'snot scaremongering just my opinion. In reality the al qadi's have probably spent nothing yet. We probably earned 300k from the chelsea game, average attendances are up by around 1k as well, we also have around 500k extra from the TV deal for being a league one club. DC recently said we have a bottom 8 budget but we have the 7th biggest average attendance in the division. Only Bradford, Sheff utd and Bolton have revenues significantly ahead of ours. We still don't know what happened to the debt, the MSP capital loan has almost certainly been shifted and is still probably secured against the mem, and there are various conflicting views about whether higgs and co have actually been paid off yet. Hopefully the agm will soon clear a lot of these issues up. And i haven't even mentioned uwe! Seems like we are still being kept in the dark. That's the spirit. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 16:50:02 GMT
You say beating Eastleigh's transfer record as if we've just spent £10m on a player, basically we've once again spent Bliss/Gaffney type money on a player. I don't get this DC is frugal with his money as he doesn't have to worry if Wael can't afford the budget that's for Wael to worry about. We clearly need an experienced league goalie and central defender, the latter is likely to cost decent money but I'm not convinced DC has the funds to bring one in, that'snot scaremongering just my opinion. In reality the al qadi's have probably spent nothing yet. We probably earned 300k from the chelsea game, average attendances are up by around 1k as well, we also have around 500k extra from the TV deal for being a league one club. DC recently said we have a bottom 8 budget but we have the 7th biggest average attendance in the division. Only Bradford, Sheff utd and Bolton have revenues significantly ahead of ours. We still don't know what happened to the debt, the MSP capital loan has almost certainly been shifted and is still probably secured against the mem, and there are various conflicting views about whether higgs and co have actually been paid off yet. Hopefully the agm will soon clear a lot of these issues up. And i haven't even mentioned uwe! Seems like we are still being kept in the dark. You keep banging on about THIS seasons attendance in the same breath as THIS seasons budget. In reality, this seasons attendance won't come into affect until next season |
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jan 15, 2017 16:55:49 GMT
In reality the al qadi's have probably spent nothing yet. We probably earned 300k from the chelsea game, average attendances are up by around 1k as well, we also have around 500k extra from the TV deal for being a league one club. DC recently said we have a bottom 8 budget but we have the 7th biggest average attendance in the division. Only Bradford, Sheff utd and Bolton have revenues significantly ahead of ours. We still don't know what happened to the debt, the MSP capital loan has almost certainly been shifted and is still probably secured against the mem, and there are various conflicting views about whether higgs and co have actually been paid off yet. Hopefully the agm will soon clear a lot of these issues up. And i haven't even mentioned uwe! Seems like we are still being kept in the dark. You keep banging on about THIS seasons attendance in the same breath as THIS seasons budget. In reality, this seasons attendance won't come into affect until next season Why, it's all revenue into the club and increased revenue. If you are referring to the fair play rules we are exempt from that for the first year after promotion. |
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Post by jaunkerr on Jan 15, 2017 17:42:03 GMT
You keep banging on about THIS seasons attendance in the same breath as THIS seasons budget. In reality, this seasons attendance won't come into affect until next season Why, it's all revenue into the club and increased revenue. If you are referring to the fair play rules we are exempt from that for the first year after promotion. 2 years excemption when promoted from non league. No excemption for league clubs being promoted |
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Post by mftc on Jan 15, 2017 17:43:58 GMT
In reality, this seasons attendance won't come into affect until next season [/quote]
I think it is the other way round? In reality doesn't the money from season tickets in the summer go on paying off the loses from the previous season? We always rob Peter to pay Paul!
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Post by STRONG,SECURE, STABLE on Jan 15, 2017 17:46:53 GMT
Summer is too late IMO just look at our February Fixtures. Goalkeeper and Tall commanding Centre half are required now and to get a good one you need money. Does DC have any? why does it matter if we wait, we wont make it/ dont need to make it to the championship for 3 or 4 seasons, build a squad not just thrash out deals for any old sh**e. as for the does DC have money... yes yes he does, shut up |
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