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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 17, 2017 11:53:31 GMT
Here's my latest article if anyone fancies a read
One similarity of the two full seasons in charge has been a lot more points gained in the second half of the season, so I thought I'd also do a poll to see how many people think we might get.
We currently have 39 from 27 games, which is 1.44 per game - if that continues it would be 66 points
At the half way point (23 games) we had 33 points, which again would result in 66 points if it continued
However, the Conference season saw a 22% increase in points gained in the second half of the season, and Lge 2 saw a 30% increase... if, say 26% happened this season we'd be looking at 75 points.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 17, 2017 11:54:25 GMT
Out of chaos comes order – How Rovers are surprisingly predictable
by Martin Bull
Although on the face of it Darrell Clarke seems unpredictable and erratic to many, if you look carefully his modus operandi is surprisingly predictable.
So despite the perceived chaos of tinkering, numerous loanees, diamond systems, and Abdulai Bell-Baggie, DC has actually played a very canny, and similar hand each season.
And I’ve accidentally managed to use a quote from German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche for two articles in a row.
Now go and grab a pen and a piece of paper and start ticking off the similarities from his (almost) three seasons in charge so far.
Loanees are tried out in the first half of the season but used less in the second half, the budget is never blown early in the season, players are steadily paced and rested throughout the season, Rovers start most games slow and deliberately weigh the opposition up for 55 minutes before being more expansive and attacking in the second half (66% of our League goals this season have come in the second half, 71% last season), injuries and suspensions will be minimal, all three subs will be used in most games (71% of the Conference season, 92% of League Two, and 94% so far in League One), and Rovers will struggle against the best teams in the division.
Whilst I don’t wish to dwell on this (slightly) negative final stat it does give an indication as to why we never quite overhauled Barnet, and never got close to an even vaguely ‘comfortable’ automatic promotion last season. Of course most teams will potentially struggle against the better teams in any sport, but it can be the stat that sorts the men from the, er, boys [there is no way I’m following Rob Page!].
In the Conference Rovers picked up a respectable 17 points in 12 games against the top seven clubs, but in League Two we only earnt ten. Currently we have six points from eight games, with the only win coming against Fleetwood Town when they were actually tenth – in fact that’s our only win against anyone currently in the Top 10 of the table.
In the 2013/14 relegation season Rovers took 12 points against the top seven teams. Whilst it was achieved from two extra games (we don’t play ourselves) it’s still interesting that we have regularly struggled against the top teams.
Ok, back to the tick list…
Certain players will play just about every minute of every game (Tom Lockyer, Lee Brown and to a somewhat lesser degree Matty Taylor), certain players are always involved at some point of a match, even if half of them are as a sub (Ellis), and certain players never quite look like they have the stamina and are always subbed off (e.g. Hiram Boateng – subbed in all of his League starts).
Every season Rovers will also lose an Autumnal cup game to a non-league side but will ride the melodramatic nuclear meltdown to win the following league game (Gateshead 3-2 / Carlisle United 2-0 / Bury 4-2). It’s almost as if they subconsciously want to lose so they can have some tea cups thrown at them and then fulfil the old cliché of concentrating on the league.
Every season there will be a few post-match interviews where DC pinches the bridge of his nose, avoids eye contact and says “the lads are hurting”, every season a goalkeeping crisis will hit us before the summer holidays are even over, every season we will be linked to Jamie Cureton until he shuffles off this mortal coil, and every season Chris Lines will be dropped a few times, but will come back stronger.
A couple of players will become infamous as late season ‘insurance’ players who will probably feature for less minutes than a Swindon fan has toes. In the Conference it was both Josh Wakefield and Abdulai Bell-Baggie, with their entire Rovers ‘career’ spent sitting on the bench (or in the stands). In League Two at least Oli McBurnie was afforded three decent stints during his five sub appearances, bagging exactly 100 minutes of pitch time, and even Rory Fallon picked up 19 minutes, and could say he was part of a team that made history.
Rovers will never lose more than three league games in a row. This has never happened under DC, with three on the trot only occurring twice, and a brace an extra four times. That is a quite remarkable stat from 127 games especially given that this season alone we’ve seen Danny Wilson conjure up eight losses in a row at Chesterfield, David Flitcroft achieve seven at Bury (plus five more by his predecessors, giving a remarkable 12 in a row), Mark Venus defy the ‘dead cat bounce’ theory with six when caretaker at Coventry City, and in the League above Lee Johnson has managed an impressive seven so far.
And probably most importantly of all, the second half of the season will see a growth spurt. The Conference saw us secure nine extra points in the second half of the season, resulting in a modest rise from third to second, and last season was even better with 11 extra points and a rise from fifth to third. This is most probably aided by not blowing the budget in July and by a player adding a new dimension later in the Spring (Lines in the Conference and Bodin in League Two).
Out of chaos comes order. Yes, indeed.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 17, 2017 11:55:43 GMT
50-55 with the current team
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 17, 2017 11:56:30 GMT
64
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 17, 2017 11:58:15 GMT
One more idea...
If current form continues we might win every remaining home game and lose every away game
= 64
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 17, 2017 12:02:04 GMT
I'm hoping for the 67-72 bracket - a small increase from the first half of the season
I have just noticed we play a lot of the bottom teams near the end of the seasosn, which is not ideal. better to play them sooner.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 17, 2017 12:18:03 GMT
I did a quick prediction just after Christmas, assuming a one better result for the home team. For example a home win would be an away draw, home draw an away defeat and so on.
This returned a 66 point haul. The following 3 results went that way, as 'predicted', Fleetwood should have been a draw though on that basis.
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Post by baggins on Jan 17, 2017 12:40:47 GMT
I did a quick prediction just after Christmas, assuming a one better result for the home team. For example a home win would be an away draw, home draw an away defeat and so on. This returned a 66 point haul. The following 3 results went that way, as 'predicted', Fleetwood should have been a draw though on that basis. Any idea where that sort of places us? 9th? 10th? I'm guessing outside playoff?
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Post by Marshy on Jan 17, 2017 12:47:31 GMT
I'm going for 69 points. I don't think we will get that many I just like the number.
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Post by baggins on Jan 17, 2017 12:49:05 GMT
I'm going for 69 points. I don't think we will get that many I just like the number. You dirty, dirty, dir...yea ok.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jan 17, 2017 12:51:05 GMT
I'm going for 69 points. I don't think we will get that many I just like the number. I hear you, I hear you. I like 69 too but never get it
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Post by Marshy on Jan 17, 2017 12:54:18 GMT
I'm going for 69 points. I don't think we will get that many I just like the number. You dirty, dirty, dir...yea ok. It could have been worse I was Gona say 71 that's 69 with 2 fingers up the rong un!
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 17, 2017 12:56:24 GMT
I did a quick prediction just after Christmas, assuming a one better result for the home team. For example a home win would be an away draw, home draw an away defeat and so on. This returned a 66 point haul. The following 3 results went that way, as 'predicted', Fleetwood should have been a draw though on that basis. Any idea where that sort of places us? 9th? 10th? I'm guessing outside playoff? Had I had the time I did intend to do the same for the other 23 teams. Looking at previous seasons, it would place us roughly 12th last year and about 7th the year before.
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Post by baggins on Jan 17, 2017 12:58:25 GMT
Any idea where that sort of places us? 9th? 10th? I'm guessing outside playoff? Had I had the time I did intend to do the same for the other 23 teams. Looking at previous seasons, it would place us roughly 12th last year and about 7th the year before. Happy with either.
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Post by socrates on Jan 17, 2017 13:18:23 GMT
I'm going for 69 points. I don't think we will get that many I just like the number. More chance of Rovers getting 69 in the league than me off the mrs but then I don't fancy death by suffocation so that's fine by me.
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Post by baggins on Jan 17, 2017 13:25:37 GMT
I'm going for 69 points. I don't think we will get that many I just like the number. More chance of Rovers getting 69 in the league than me off the mrs but then I don't fancy death by suffocation so that's fine by me. Either way round? Dear God.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 17, 2017 13:42:08 GMT
I did a quick prediction just after Christmas, assuming a one better result for the home team. For example a home win would be an away draw, home draw an away defeat and so on. This returned a 66 point haul. The following 3 results went that way, as 'predicted', Fleetwood should have been a draw though on that basis. Any idea where that sort of places us? 9th? 10th? I'm guessing outside playoff? looked at the last 10 seasons-ish lowest play-off place is often around 74-75, but it was as low as 69 once, and 71 twice. Was 80 one year!
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Post by baggins on Jan 17, 2017 14:09:16 GMT
Any idea where that sort of places us? 9th? 10th? I'm guessing outside playoff? looked at the last 10 seasons-ish lowest play-off place is often around 74-75, but it was as low as 69 once, and 71 twice. Was 80 one year! So we have a breather season.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 17, 2017 21:02:23 GMT
looked at the last 10 seasons-ish lowest play-off place is often around 74-75, but it was as low as 69 once, and 71 twice. Was 80 one year! So we have a breather season. Barring a very good last 19 games and/or a low level of points needed this season, then yes. And as someone who still clearly remembers those bloody groundbreaking threads in spring 2014 talking about the play-offs, I'd suggest getting to 52-ish points first before much else
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 18, 2017 10:36:03 GMT
Not surprisingly most people so far staying safe with the 61-66.
Quite a few expecting less than 60. I hope not. That would be a little deflating & would mean a worse 2nd half to the season.
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