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Post by althepirate on Feb 12, 2017 10:59:31 GMT
After the sale of the snake and not buying a replacement, I think that has put us in a stage of transition. Its evolution, not revolution which I think will be better long term. If we go up now I think it will be a real bonus but it will put pressure on E not R in the Championship as fans will want us to get out the cheque book to at least consolidate there. In my view Luke James needs time and patience and after yesterdays game against the best team I have seen at the Mem this season, both Harrison and Gaffney have question marks about them. However if we decide as DC has in the past to stick with players and improve them then perhaps another season in League one will be a good thing all round. Its great to see we are now building from the back and DC's signings in that area have been brilliant. I would imagine DC wants to go up this season as we all do, but if not IMO we all need the patience to build a better and sustainable long term future for the club.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 11:18:55 GMT
Yes I agree, it's a transition season. I'm sure DC will go for as high a position as possible but in truth Championship football would not necessarily be good for the club next season as we are at least half a dozen quality players short of maintaining a safe position in that league. I would hate to see a repeat of Yeovil's experience. I think the rest of this season will give DC a clear idea of what's need to mount a serious challenge next season. The starting point is clearly - our own goalkeeper, a central defender or two, a striker or two depending on how James and Lucas progress and probably an additional midfielder and left back cover depending on how Harris pans-out. That's the minimum and it's quite a shopping list if we are to mount a serious challenge next year. Promotion this season would be at least a year probably two years too early if we want a sustainable Championship side.
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Post by oldgas on Feb 12, 2017 11:29:55 GMT
I hope we have a good run for the final third but I think promotion this season could be a disaster. We as a club are just not ready for the Championship. When I think of how many crosses in behind our defence Bradford managed, a decent set of Championship forwards would have murdered us.
I sit in the Uplands and I could see, time and again that the space we left for them to attack down the flanks was ridiculous. I just don't see the point in leaving yourself so vulnerable to be opened up by the back line having to retreat to deal with the inevitable cross into the box. Why not stop the winger or overlapping full back getting away down the flank?
I think DC is well aware he needs a couple more forwards and perhaps even a powerful midfielder to complement Lines. I think he will be intending to do a bit of closed season recruiting to fill those requirements. I would rather have a storming season in league one than see us get tanked every week in the Championship and end up getting relegated, because I think that's what would happen if we go up this year.
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Post by xplosivgas on Feb 12, 2017 11:47:13 GMT
I'm not a fan of the 'evolution not revolution' phrase. It's feels like a convenient get-out for doing things on the cheap for a long period. I'm not saying we should brake the bank or be wreck less, but there needs to be some decent investment in the team to keep things interesting. It'd be a shame if the crowds starting tailing off. DC can only work miracles on for so long.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 12, 2017 12:54:47 GMT
I think yesterday proved were still some distance from being serious Play Off contenders, you can imagine the Championship is another big step up. So it could well be until we get the infrastructure up to speed we simply don't have the set up to even consider a promotion push.
The training ground should be up and running by this time next season and hopefully the UWE saga will finally be resolved, if so, we may only be a couple of years away from being a Championship set up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 13:33:04 GMT
I think yesterday proved were still some distance from being serious Play Off contenders, you can imagine the Championship is another big step up. So it could well be until we get the infrastructure up to speed we simply don't have the set up to even consider a promotion push. The training ground should be up and running by this time next season and hopefully the UWE saga will finally be resolved, if so, we may only be a couple of years away from being a Championship set up. While I agree the infrastructure is massive long term, I think the lack of proper play off challenge this year is simply down to the huge step up for the manager and squad. Bradford have been at this level for near 4 years now, haven't spent a ton but they look a proper outfit. That's what I think we need to aspire to at this level, may take a bit longer than the 6 months or so we've been here. Been a really good season so far I think.
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Post by faggotygas on Feb 12, 2017 13:35:54 GMT
I'm not a fan of the 'evolution not revolution' phrase. It's feels like a convenient get-out for doing things on the cheap for a long period. I'm not saying we should brake the bank or be wreck less, but there needs to be some decent investment in the team to keep things interesting. It'd be a shame if the crowds starting tailing off. DC can only work miracles on for so long. I would counter, that's easy to say when its not your money! Seriously though, chucking money around has never done any long term good without infrastructure development in the background. Would much rather be West Brom than QPR.
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Post by baggins on Feb 12, 2017 13:42:59 GMT
I'm not a fan of the 'evolution not revolution' phrase. It's feels like a convenient get-out for doing things on the cheap for a long period. I'm not saying we should brake the bank or be wreck less, but there needs to be some decent investment in the team to keep things interesting. It'd be a shame if the crowds starting tailing off. DC can only work miracles on for so long. I'm sure that'll happen when needed but at the moment we're at settling stage, getting used to L1.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 13:55:43 GMT
I'm not a fan of the 'evolution not revolution' phrase. It's feels like a convenient get-out for doing things on the cheap for a long period. I'm not saying we should brake the bank or be wreck less, but there needs to be some decent investment in the team to keep things interesting. It'd be a shame if the crowds starting tailing off. DC can only work miracles on for so long. I see it more as a clever strap-line, which saves the owners from having to repeat the longer version - which is that they are here for the long haul, and are going the right way about re-building the club, by getting strong foundations in place first. I prefer this approach than going sh*t or bust to get into the Championship too soon, then maybe ending up back where we are, at the expense of progress off the pitch.
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Post by baggins on Feb 12, 2017 14:03:00 GMT
I'm not a fan of the 'evolution not revolution' phrase. It's feels like a convenient get-out for doing things on the cheap for a long period. I'm not saying we should brake the bank or be wreck less, but there needs to be some decent investment in the team to keep things interesting. It'd be a shame if the crowds starting tailing off. DC can only work miracles on for so long. I see it more as a clever strap-line, which saves the owners from having to repeat the longer version - which is that they are here for the long haul, and are going the right way about re-building the club, by getting strong foundations in place first. I prefer this approach than going sh*t or bust to get into the Championship too soon, then maybe ending up back where we are, at the expense of progress off the pitch. Kind of comforting to know that's what we're about.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Feb 12, 2017 14:05:29 GMT
I'm not a fan of the 'evolution not revolution' phrase. It's feels like a convenient get-out for doing things on the cheap for a long period. I'm not saying we should brake the bank or be wreck less, but there needs to be some decent investment in the team to keep things interesting. It'd be a shame if the crowds starting tailing off. DC can only work miracles on for so long. Investing in the team isn't always about transfers fees. We have a large squad which isnt cheap, there has already been a larger investment than you think.
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Post by xplosivgas on Feb 12, 2017 14:08:47 GMT
I'm not a fan of the 'evolution not revolution' phrase. It's feels like a convenient get-out for doing things on the cheap for a long period. I'm not saying we should brake the bank or be wreck less, but there needs to be some decent investment in the team to keep things interesting. It'd be a shame if the crowds starting tailing off. DC can only work miracles on for so long. I see it more as a clever strap-line, which saves the owners from having to repeat the longer version - which is that they are here for the long haul, and are going the right way about re-building the club, by getting strong foundations in place first. I prefer this approach than going sh*t or bust to get into the Championship too soon, then maybe ending up back where we are, at the expense of progress off the pitch. I'm sure with the decent crowds we've been getting the last couple years there can be a happy medium. It doesn't need to be £500k signings or nothing. I think we can do better than loans and non-league recruits. A sprinkling of proven quality would be nice!
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Post by baggins on Feb 12, 2017 14:11:51 GMT
I see it more as a clever strap-line, which saves the owners from having to repeat the longer version - which is that they are here for the long haul, and are going the right way about re-building the club, by getting strong foundations in place first. I prefer this approach than going sh*t or bust to get into the Championship too soon, then maybe ending up back where we are, at the expense of progress off the pitch. I'm sure with the decent crowds we've been getting the last couple years there can be a happy medium. It doesn't need to be £500k signings or nothing. I think we can do better than loans and non-league recruits. A sprinkling of proven quality would be nice! Problem is, proven quality is hard to attract and costs.
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Post by Marshy on Feb 12, 2017 14:54:08 GMT
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Post by baggins on Feb 12, 2017 14:59:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 15:02:35 GMT
Think he meant Thursday...
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Post by Marshy on Feb 12, 2017 15:50:50 GMT
Think he meant Thursday... Why what's happening on Thursday? Or is it just the day before Friday?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 16:01:43 GMT
Think he meant Thursday... Why what's happening on Thursday? Or is it just the day before Friday? My mistake, its Wednesday.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 12, 2017 16:15:39 GMT
I hope we have a good run for the final third but I think promotion this season could be a disaster. We as a club are just not ready for the Championship. When I think of how many crosses in behind our defence Bradford managed, a decent set of Championship forwards would have murdered us. I sit in the Uplands and I could see, time and again that the space we left for them to attack down the flanks was ridiculous. I just don't see the point in leaving yourself so vulnerable to be opened up by the back line having to retreat to deal with the inevitable cross into the box. Why not stop the winger or overlapping full back getting away down the flank? I think DC is well aware he needs a couple more forwards and perhaps even a powerful midfielder to complement Lines. I think he will be intending to do a bit of closed season recruiting to fill those requirements. I would rather have a storming season in league one than see us get tanked every week in the Championship and end up getting relegated, because I think that's what would happen if we go up this year. I know what you mean oldgas, whenever I sit in the Dribuild it's so clear that both our full backs give so much room for the wingers to either cross or drift into space. They rarely close them down quick enough. I guess it's to do with them both being attacking full backs, and in this league we don't get punished too much, in the championship we would but if were we to get there I am sure DC would strengthen all over. Yesterday I was in the Thatchers and it wasn't as clear being at pitch level but the number of crosses that came in meant it was the same. But tbf to DC and the club we mustn't get too worried about what would happen if we went up. Yes of course it would be harder and I would worry about where the goals might come from and I would worry about other areas etc.! But I don't think we will go up esp now after the window, I never thought we were among the best six teams and we definitely aren't now! But I don't care, I'm just enjoying a season when we are doing very well, playing good football, competing against the best in our league and not having a major worry about Relegation! We are slightly over achieving with a team who are very similar to last year and the year before. We have players who play with pride and give their all and we have our Rovers back! So if we played Millwall needing a win to get in the play offs then great and would celebrate like fury if we did but if we play them in any position from 18th to 10th then I will still be happy. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 17:27:10 GMT
I just think we should have gone all out for promotion and gave ourselves every possible chance of getting in the play-offs before we have to rebuild the squad, I reckon deep down darrell clarke will be a bit put out about events in january but obviously that is just my opinion. I never buy into this not ready for promotion stuff,i think barnsley came up via the play-offs and there doing ok so why not us?
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